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Old 19th March 2009, 15:11   #41 (permalink)
 
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I thought this thread was about a jet41 job in eastern europe,silly me.
Good point. Sorry.
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Old 19th March 2009, 20:46   #42 (permalink)
 
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It aint happening boys. No cash.
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Old 19th March 2009, 20:49   #43 (permalink)
 
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Dont say it unless you are sure
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Old 19th March 2009, 21:38   #44 (permalink)
 
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No cash eh? May I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago! Post 35.
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Old 20th March 2009, 19:34   #45 (permalink)
 
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Like I said it earlier. This was an easy way for some local “ big shot ” with political influence to derail some of EU dedicated to Romania funds. Open a company, show you have serious intention, get the money, close the company, keep the money, be proud of yourself for being extremely smart and EU extremely stupid. Welcome to Eastern Europe business model.
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Old 20th March 2009, 19:48   #46 (permalink)
 
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Not just confined to Eastern Europe either:
What about Austria, Portugal, Austria, Ireland, Austria, Italy, Austria, Spain, Austria, Latvia, Austria, Poland, Austria, Estonia, Austria, Lithuania, Austria.
Is that them all? Oh I forgot Austria!
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Old 20th March 2009, 20:15   #47 (permalink)
 
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ok guys, I saw most of your posts, and I have the impression of a political talk-show, I mean someone asked infos regarding a future job, and now you are dealing about, romania, romanians, gipsys, bigshot on romanian economy, how poor are the romanians, etc......well I personally said and I am sustaining my opinion about the opportunity of romania to be member of EU.To be fair , romania has not and will not have in the immediate future the quality of an true EU member, but it is just EU wich needed another 22 millions of people inside.Why?, because of globalisation gentlemen, all of EU product have to be sold, romania represents after poland, the second easteuropean market.I know, it is not easy to educate 22 millions people, to make in a night rich 22 millions people, to cover all romania surface with hundred km of highways, and so on...... I saw many situations inside romania , but also abroad.Good things and bad things.What can I say , especially political class, justice, police are labeled as most corrupted, but, tell me a country ,worldwide , when everything is perfect......as regarding citizens , could anyone tell me if in the street, or in a public place to ask for some help and to be refused? yes, it is a long way to catch westeuropean countries, but never say never.good night!
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Old 27th March 2009, 00:51   #48 (permalink)
 
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the Jetstream

So has anybody heard anything about this job..? I was contacted around beginning of January for this and still nothin....
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Old 27th March 2009, 14:26   #49 (permalink)
 
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So has anybody heard anything about this job..? I was contacted around beginning of January for this and still nothin....
You will hear faster from Mars. This was the Romanian version of Nigerian scam. They do that with EU money. Now I hear Romania got approved for another 27 bil euros. Good times for wise guys in that country. New scams coming up 'till all the money gone.
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Old 2nd June 2009, 12:50   #50 (permalink)
 
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They are loocking for 12 crews at the moment.

2800Euro/month is PIC basic salarry + flights => about 4000Euro/month

accomodation payed by AOC holder
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Old 2nd June 2009, 14:16   #51 (permalink)
 
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No matter how eager you are to get a job.....for god's sake think!!!!!
This could be a marrow sized shafting and from that neck of the woods, would you trust it?
I be the flat is probably next in the red light district and your neighbours armed dealers.
And for a JS job - naaahhh!!!!
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Old 2nd June 2009, 14:21   #52 (permalink)
 
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2800Euro/month salary + flights => about 4000Euro/month

Would that be before or after tax? Where would you pay tax?

Of course one must be careful with a new start up but then again the bills must be paid one way or another. It's easy to caution against such jobs when you are in secure employment.

The Jetstream is a great little aircraft although getting a little on the old side of the drag curve now.
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Old 5th June 2009, 13:39   #53 (permalink)
 
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I got a call from Wynnwith last week

The job is opening back up, apparently financing has been secured, I told them that yes i continue interested as are a few other friends of mine, all of us typed in 320 and 330, ex-captains with NO WORK.
The desert, vietnamese prospects ? Close to nil, and we all know the real truth once stuck in the sandpit. Vietnam ? perhaps the best bet but too far away for the likes of me and my friends and their young families.
I have worked as a carpenter, barman, construction worker, waiter, musician and other tasks to make ends meet while also self financing my aviation career ( 13K hrs, 7K hrs PIC, F 50,Bae ATP, Falcon 20, B 737, A320 and 330, Long Haul Etop ops all over this suffering globe ) and I will continue to do whatever is necessary working while you prima donna whine about T´s & C´s....I have captain buddies on 320 making just over 4 grand a month and even they are under the gun as the goddamned low cost forever try and squeeze the life out of them to make more money. I say its not going to get better if not just the opposite...
Romania ? I know people from there and they are PEOPLE just like you and me. One must adapt, period.
Prima Donnas Drop Dead.
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Old 24th June 2009, 18:12   #54 (permalink)
 
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4 captains must start conversin tranining soon for this job
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Old 24th June 2009, 21:06   #55 (permalink)
 
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Red face Will They/won't They ?

Well for sure there are a lot more than four ready, eager, willing and waiting for a job, and I'm one of them !

Care to expand on anything you know ? This contract has been on and off more than the proverbial whores draws !

Cheers,

L8.
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Old 24th June 2009, 22:22   #56 (permalink)
 
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I would imagine there are plenty of type rated guys looking for work so no need for conversions - recurrency maybe.
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Old 25th June 2009, 19:08   #57 (permalink)
 
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I would take the job if I am laid off
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Old 1st July 2009, 19:09   #58 (permalink)
 
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Well gentlemen : some details :

Airline operator will be Blue Air (IATA : OB / ICAO : JOR ) , a Romanian low-cost carrier based on Bucharest Baneasa (BBU). They are the AOC holder.
They are operating now a fleet of 8 B737 (2 x 300 , 3 x 400 and 3 x 800) , aquired a 9th one (B737-500 ex OY-MAA of Sterling) and have a firm order for 3 x B737-800 and 2 x B737-900 brand new from Boeing .
Aside , they have a 3 yrs term contract with Romanian Post for express mailing from 7 local airports to BBU base. For this they use some Piper on short term wetlease from RAS.

About J41 : they already announced flights CLJ-SCV and return (x6) and from there 2 x weekly SCV-VCE and 3 x weekly SCV-VIE . This is just the beginning . Rumours says that first J41 will come from Eastern and will be based on Cluj Intl Airport (CLJ).

Does anyone know aout more than one J41 that JOR intend to operate ? Would be interesting to find.

You cand find news and ask any question about the matter and Romanian Aviation (you could find professionals) on the following link :

www.fly-ra.com

Anyone welcomed . Most of the forum is in English , so feel comfortable there !
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Old 1st July 2009, 19:29   #59 (permalink)
 
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I think I missed some details :
- new flights mentioned in my previous post will start in July 15th
- aircraft will be , of course , BAE Jetstream J41

LE : I see now that my fisrt post is not yet posted . I hope it will , else I will come back and re-write the details about your interest (J41 and Blue Air).
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Old 8th July 2009, 15:02   #60 (permalink)
 
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Had an e-mail this morning from the agency, saying that the contract is on hold again due to aircraft not beinig delivered. Sigh . . . . .

L8.
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