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Old 21st April 2007, 14:08   #141 (permalink)
 
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Yes I do know how luckly I am - but perhaps not as luckly as the guys who were under 55 when the age 60+ came in - I understand that some are on nearly 250k pa now - pension + salary - good on them I say!!
Spare a thought, if you can, for those of us who were not under 55 at !st Oct 06 and who were forced to go despite being nowhere near PP24. Even though I'm doing alright it still rankles.
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Old 21st April 2007, 14:37   #142 (permalink)
 
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Airbus-320-stick-pusher & puller, app 4000 stick movements per year.
Paid for work? No, 'm prepaid.
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Old 21st April 2007, 21:43   #143 (permalink)
 
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An excellent thread but

have you noticed the wide disparity of annual hours flown vs total pay?

As low as 250 hrs per yr up to 1200

Anyone good at graphs can show hours against pay for the sample? Might make interesting reading for those bumping up to max hours.

At 250 hours a year I could do a window cleaning round too and really make money

Sir George Cayley
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Old 22nd April 2007, 05:00   #144 (permalink)
 
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Flying in Canada as a A320 TRE/IRE....

$14000 USD/month gross .... $7500 USD/month net including pension deductions + $400 allowances.
75-80 hrs /month with 8 RON's (15 days working avg)
37 days vacation/yr
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Old 22nd April 2007, 08:16   #145 (permalink)
 
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Transavia.com in the Netherlands
Take home pay 2600 euro after 1½ years in service
+ app. 1000 euro into the pension scheme.
600-700 hours a year, extremely tuff schedules, example:
Day 1 check in 4:00 am local time to LPA, landing 16:00 pm
Day 2 check in 16:00 pm local time, landing 4:00 am
And so on...."
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Let me get this straight. does that mean you are overnighting in LPA for 12 hours straight before ur showtime at LPA ? or does that mean you arrive back in Amsterdam at 16:00 only to show up the next day at the airport at 16:00 PM for a red eye? If that is the case it sucks and I see ur point. However if you are saying you think a 12 hour layover sucks I would encourage you to come over here Stateside and fly for a regional.... 12 hour overnights are like a freaking vacation!!!! try 6/7 hour reduced rest overnights after flying 7 legs on a 14hr duty day.

Dus niet zeuren! werken voor je geld !!
proost!

V1.
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Old 22nd April 2007, 17:11   #146 (permalink)
 
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Salary as year 3 jet 2 fo is about £36,300 for someone who joined when I did-not sure what it is now. It increases with annual increments.

£36300 is £3025 pm gross. Pay the tax + national insurance on that and you're left with about £2300 net. Plus duty and sector pay which for me worked out at about £350 pm when taken over the whole of last year: £2650 pm net. Others may be different of course depending on time spent at work and away from base.

In my case, add £250 net per month training pay to my paycheck makes it £2900; so yep it's more like 2900 than 3000.

no sponsor, I can't comment on what the other fo's make, as I don't know whats in their contracts. But it is the same company.

"Costcutting" by watering down new joiners contracts then reflecting it as increased profit on the company's balance sheet is a "clever" tactic developed by companies like ryanair. Unfortunately diseases like that seem to be contageous.
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Old 24th April 2007, 02:59   #147 (permalink)
 
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Mexicana

Ok, here go my 2006 numbers:
A320/19/18 First Officer
9th year in Mexicana Airlines
Hours Flown: 820
Total Monthly Income (after tax): $7,100 Usd, €5,600
Income includes per deim, food + gas coupons, anual savings fund.
Pension Fund around 10%, still very good medical coverage/insurance, 5 days off per month.
If you have certain seniority you can apply for 7x5 (fly/off)
Vacations down to 30 days (after agreement) and +1 day starting 10th year of seniority
We just signed an agreement lowering our costs because of 6 new LCC in Mexico... so probably these numbers will go down around 15% in 2007...
cheers!

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Old 24th April 2007, 04:27   #148 (permalink)
 
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Old 24th April 2007, 11:38   #149 (permalink)
 
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BMi Regional 145 Capt.
2nd year take home after all deductions inc my pension contributions 3400GBP per month. The figure includes duty pay.
Last year flew 500hrs.
Min 8 days off per month.
Farly stable roster.
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Old 24th April 2007, 17:32   #150 (permalink)
 
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Dragonair Hong Kong - Airbus First Officer (Year 1)

Previously EasyJet 737 Captain

Converted From Hong Kong Dollars to UK STG

Monthly:
Base Salary : £3800.00
Housing : £2870.00

Overtime beyond 75 Hours in the month around £50 flying hour
Overtime beyond 85 Hours in the month around £100 flying hour

Annually
Travel Fund : £7000.00
Chinese New Year Bonus : £3800.00 (Months Salary)

Chinese New Year Bonus paid 1/3 year one, 2/3 year 2 and one months salary every year thereafter

15% Gratuity. First paid in year 3 and backdated to cover first 3 years, thereafter annually

All Figures are GROSS and Hong Kong Tax 15% (give or take a little)
In addition, standard Family Medical Cover, School Fees, House Purchase scheme, etc etc

Hours per year? unsure as yet, guess around 750, certainly less than easyJet.

Monthly GROSS Salaries (including Housing Allowance)
Year 1 FO Average Salary (GROSS) £6200
Year 2 FO Average Salary (GROSS) £6400
Year 3 FO Average (Gratuity Year - 3 years backdated ) £8400
Year 4 FO & Thereafter Average Salary (GROSS) Around £7300

Remember GROSS, so deduct around 15% for Gordon Browns buddy in Hong Kong.

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10 Weeks a Year

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Old 25th April 2007, 15:02   #151 (permalink)
 
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Air Berlin - Boeing 737 First Officer (Year 3)

average net € 2800 (1900 pounds)

sometimes more sometimes less depending on hours flown that month

New year bonus and expenses included

Base salary (gross) €33150 (22100 pounds) per year

LoL insurance covering €1000 (670 pounds) / month

No pension scheme

860 hours per year

38 days leave / 10 days off per month
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Old 26th April 2007, 15:51   #152 (permalink)
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Air Mauritius
1st year ATR 72 500 Captain
Equivalent GBP 1740.00, including all benefits.

Lovely view of the ocean
anywhere between 350 and 550 hrs a month
very little chance of Jet upgrade within 4yr period.

Recent article in Johannesburg paper, personal secretary gets GBP1755.00
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Old 26th April 2007, 15:54   #153 (permalink)
 
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s2h,

Damn you're busy
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Old 26th April 2007, 18:02   #154 (permalink)
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that's beach chair time, of course
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Old 27th April 2007, 05:35   #155 (permalink)
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Sorry, that be in a year!!!
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Old 27th April 2007, 08:19   #156 (permalink)
 
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Sia 777

SIA 777 5 yr CAPT, approx S$270K.

http://travel.asiaone.com.sg/news/20070424_001.html
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Old 27th April 2007, 08:46   #157 (permalink)
 
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Semi-specialised operation hog drivin'
5 weeks on – 5 weeks off
net US$ 5500 per month year round
max 350-400 hours per annum

6 months free every year…… nobody ever died from under work!
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Old 27th April 2007, 18:30   #158 (permalink)
 
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Take the time to upload your terms to www.airlinepilotcentral.com
It's already a good resource for N.A. based carriers but international info is somewhat lacking. CHeers
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Old 28th April 2007, 13:41   #159 (permalink)
 
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If you want international T&Cs then you should refer to ppjn.com

This thread though is excellent and eye opening.
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Old 28th April 2007, 16:37   #160 (permalink)
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Air One (Italy):

Cpt. 5500-6000euros/month NET depending on hours flown
F/O 3500-4000euros/month NET depending on hours flown

No fixed roster, 10 days off/month (can be reduced to 8),many changes during month and requests to fly on days off(paid extra).

2% contributory pension scheme
LOL
Medical
airport parking
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