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Ms. Flaps is going to receive an anonymus regarding the affair you have with ur a/c.
I agree with you in many points, the job itself is great and problem solving... I love it too, is that... either some people doesn't see that way and some other people can't find a job or takes them too long. Why not warning them?
Still... I disagree with the "at least you tried" thing, although on the other side, to be honest, most people that keep on trying end up finding a way. Even though instructing isn't well paid it's a great way to start.
Agree with you on the negative thing about PPRuNe, sometimes is daunting reading around here. Thought you were saying it because of my comments. When I'm negative at least I try to elaborate, but... agree that most people here is just negative for the sake of it.
I admire the enthusiasm for aviation by all who post on here.
If you are young enough, military aviation will satisfy your needs. There really is nothing quite like ripping about the UK at low level. At 50 feet for rotary mates. 250 for fast movers. I do miss it.
GBP6000 per month net, instructional, home every night. Wife and kids love it. Not Saudi, Middle East and liberal. Not coming back to UK any time soon.
I work in London, banking industry, age 33, married with one child. I work a very social 8:30 - 5:30. However the commute kills me. I travel some 90 miles to work daily, with a total daily commute of 3:30hrs (on a good day) which usually results in not being able to see my child until the weekend.
My issue is the associated costs with getting to work, over £6.5k per annum season ticket..... that's over £10k gross! Obviously reducing my disposable income, but if you want a cheaper, larger house and wish to live outside of the capital you're somewhat tied.
Gross income £45k (excl bonus which isn't looking good for this year!). Net income after tax, NI, pension etc is £2,400. This excludes the £550 per month cost of travel to work.
I would love to have a career change and have looked at the Modular route. I've already saved £15k but unfortunately my wife has stated that she wouldn't agree to support the career change to commercial pilot although she is supportive about a new career in the RAF (ground role as I'm too old)...... confused??????
Flaps To 60 I 100% agree with you. There is no way for an instance I would now give up my life time dream just because of what a few people say here. I can't believe some of the PM's I get telling me basically how stupid I am, some of them quite nasty! I was wishing that I had never posted here in the first place because it can be quite demotivating listening to so many people try and put you off, but after reading what you had to say, I'm glad I did post here.
It surprises me how people keep saying if you love flying then rent an aircraft at the weekends. Hobby flying and flying for a living don't compare in my eyes. It is true that I do love hobby flying and buzzing around in light aircraft, but surely every pilot has dreamt about flying an airliner? Well, even if they haven't....I have! My love of flying doesn't just stop at light aircraft, I would much rather fly something with a jet engine!
I was also encouraged by what MikeW66 wrote, thanks for that mate. Just goes to show it is possible, and even if I might be making a huge sacrifice, to me that sacrifice is worth it to fly.
As Flaps To 60 says, even if it all goes completely t*ts up, at least I tried. I can always fall back into my old job if need be (as much as I hate it), but it's definitly worth a try!
Remember Its your life and if you think that you want to fly ... so be it.
You make a choice and live with the consequences. If you want to fly go ahead and do it. but please do not live in the past viz 'I used to be at 150000 a year etc.."
You know by now what many people would think of you in a multi crew cockpit.
But Go ahead and make your life yours...
( Try asking what your family honestly thinks of it as well )
Remember that most of us start with the same zeal as Flaps To 60, but after a few years' being pushed about by managers with half your IQ, the lack of a social life (from working nights, weekends and public holidays), not seeing your kids for days or weeks on end, dealing with incompetent security staff, ignorant passengers or thick colleagues, the whole industry loses its appeal. The flying remains good for most, but the crap that surrounds it makes it un-worthwhile if you can earn similar money another way.
Condorbaaz, how I might conduct myself on the flight deck was not origianlly part of this conversation, and quite frankly I find what you've written offensive. Maybe what you write is how you conduct yourself, but don't assume for a minute people are like you. Also do you not think I've already spoken to my family about what they think? Do you think this is something that I've decided to do at the drop of a hat because I like the sound of flying?
What Whippersnapper writes sounds like a walk in the park compared to what I've been through in my current job, but I do know what you mean, the love of a job can easily be extinguished by management and people who have nothing better to do than make your life hell.
Anyways, my small off the cuff remark seems to have totally hijacked this thread. Sorry mods....now can we please continue on topic!
I say go for it! Despite being one of the world's grumpiest whingiest aircrew, I feel there are few better ways to earn your money other than being a porn star.
Flaps to 60,
Thanks for your post; a nice reminder why we do this job. Sometimes you lose the wood for the trees, but you can't lose the fact that we're up there and the rest of the world aint and they're not seeing those views/special moments.
For the Thread:
RAF ME Capt. Hrs Unknown, don't count. Pay, no Idea. Don't (can't!) count.
People like u bring the standards and QOL down for the rest. U would fly a multi million dollar aircraft with that level of responsiblity... for min wage??? I love flying my ass of too but let keep the job respectable....
...around 70 HV /month, pay scale is still confused after buy-out from previous Alitalia...but it takes me to around 4200 euros with 600 euro of meal allowances ( years 9 in the previous airline payscale).
ciao
p.s. no way of any significant improvement in career or contract for next coming years of course......let's head to the east!!
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