Terms and EndearmentThe forum the beancounters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work. Let others in the industry make educated choices on where the grass is less brown! Scheduled, charter or contract -
Captain EZY full time assuming pay offer is accepted:
Basic: £4300 plus £800 average sector pay per month plus loyalty bonus (15% in my case = £6837 net lump sum next May).
Take home about 8500 euros after tax (including daily allowances)
That doesn´t include pension so I pay 1000 a month for it.
Still 7500 euros in the pocket is not bad at 30yrs. Also I like the flying and I work 6/5. Some small catches though, like social security is not as good as in legacy carriers, but far better then in loco´s. i still cannot figure out why people are accepting 3000 bucks when they can have 8500 just because it´s a lightjet.
Fifty Above - In real terms across the major UK airlines, easyjet Pilots T+C's are well below par and work harder. Roster disruption, poor rostering practise.....
Interesting to see that Andy H, has come clean. According to his "team", easyjet are offically no longer a "career airline", etc. And wants to scrap the fixed roster pattern.
Working as a 2 year qualified veterinary surgeon, apparently the impression is that the wages are high.....
I work 4.5 days per week, 9-7each day, with 2 nights on call each week, with 1 in 4 weekends on call (sat am - mon), and 1 in 4 wkends off with a couple of saturday mornings each month on top.
(And no you don't get the next day off if you were on call the night before, even if you were in operating all night.)
All for the bargain wage of £1313/m take home
(with a house and a Micra thrown in).
I am currently trying to change career, 900hrs for anything more than I am on now, seems like a great deal to me!
(And you get to leave your work at work most of the time, at least when your flight has landed you don't sit at home worrying about it!)
I know your hours are very tough but you simplify the pilot career to much, i think you are listening to Michael O'L to much.
900hrs is what you can fly in a year. This does not take into account those hours of report before a flight, turnaround times or end of flight paperwork time for every flight. Most importantly if your away from home sitting in a shitty hotel twiddling your thumbs missing your sons first day of school or any major step in there lives or any family matter this is not flight time but duty time which equates to a lot more than that stupid thrown around figure of 900hrs.
Mind you i've heard of a guy newly started in Ryanair who has done 1200hrs in a rolling year, flight time. Because Ryanair doesn't work a rolling year, they use a system were they only calulate flight time from march 31st to april 1st. He started with them in september or october, they worked his arse off for the first few months, always 100hrs a month because he was cheap, ie. on a contract or €1000 a month (in this time he also had no base, had to pay for hotels at short notice periods, had friend in same position living in the back seat of there car because they couldn't afford hotels in the area as well as paying off loans and food.)(theses guys are flying your planes on ryanair the safest airline in europe, my arse). So by the time he had reached april and the IAA had let ryanair, unlike other european airlines (commercial advantage to a company that only paid 11million in tax over 5years) he had reached 600hrs, then went on over the summer months to his original start date a year later with 1200hrs.
But what i am saying don't believe these easy thrown out figures that airline like to say to belittle pilots wages and work. The truth is we work a lot and companies twist figures like they do to there passengers. That friend of mine worked weekends, holidays and not just 1200hrs in a year but duty time for all those flights on top of that, with a salary or €1000 for the first 6 months which didn't go on drink but hotels for the company who weren't paying.
So don't be such a martyr, life isn't like the airlines say, shock horror they are liars. Pilot pay over €100,000 (which i'm sure you didn't do) with no job security, tests twice a year and medicals to up hold. So please don't try and belittle our profession for fat cats like MOL. No matter what they say we work hard.
Sorry if you thought that I was belittling your profession, that is not what I was trying to do. I would love to be part of your profession, as despite the unusual starts, slightly dodgy hours, and medicals etc, it still seems to be a decent profession to be in.
I was merely comparing it with my current profession, in which my clients always think we vets are well/over paid, and they seem to think that I should work for free 'for the love of it' .
I think pilots do a difficult job well, and initially it seems they are taken advantage of no-end having to pay so much to train and then do type training etc, but it seems after a couple of years, if you are lucky, the scales tip and you start to reap the rewards, which are quite decent!
A
I don't think you are sniping at pilots. If I were in your shoes and wanted to fly then I'd try. I think the pluses outweigh the negatives. I think the point being made is that you should be careful about believing what non pilots assume about the job. None of the F/O's I fly with jumped for joy when I told them that Simon Calder of the Independant has said that they earn an average of £100,000 per year!
I love my job, but it's not all a bed of roses, but I'm in the job I want to be in and that counts for a great deal. I was surprised that your salary was as you stated. Is there potential for improvement?
Best Regards
Pete
I agree Pete. I am not sure where Simon C get his facts and figures from, but I would be struggling to think of exactly where in the world an F/O could earn that sort of money. Possibly an experienced one (10 years plus) who has become an ex pat and earns that tax free but that's clutching at straws. As an airline Captain with over 20 years experience, I still havent reached those heights.
So in short A, do an awful lot of research before you commit your hard earned cash to the CAA's coffee fund.
I hadn't even heard that Simon Calder had quoted £100000 as an average salary for a F/O! I was working on a monthly take home of maybe £2000-£3000 per month after a few years! ( I was basing it on the replies on this thread).
There is potential for improvement in my wages, but not a vast amount. A decent 'assistant' wage (i.e not someone who owns part of the company) is probably anywhere from £25-£35k depending on area, size of practice, etc Or if you work in a night clinic then you can get a high(ish) wage. But generally the hours are high, the pay is low, and the emotional blackmail is rife! Its not all bad (people do occasionally bring you chocolates!) just that the earning potential will never be that great.
And to be honest, flying was my first choice of career, but I was misinformed as a 16year old, and decided on another career path. I'm trying now (as a slightly more informed 26year old) to follow my original choice, the research of which appears quite difficult! I'm just trying to weigh up whether the investment could be rewarded, it appears that in the end it probably would be (all being well)! Staying hopeful!
A
just because it´s a lightjet.
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