When is an outflow valve not an outflow valve?
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When is an outflow valve not an outflow valve?
Now pay attention. I will say this only once.
This is an outflow valve...
It is NOT a panel that has been left open or a loose door.
The next time you see something which you suspect may not be quite right. Please contact the people who know.
It saves a lot of time, approximately a tonne of JetA-1 and over an hours delay.
Thankyou.
This is an outflow valve...
It is NOT a panel that has been left open or a loose door.
The next time you see something which you suspect may not be quite right. Please contact the people who know.
It saves a lot of time, approximately a tonne of JetA-1 and over an hours delay.
Thankyou.
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...not so fast there B737900er!
There's obviously a reason Turin posted what he/she did, and I'll bet there's an interesting story behind it that a few on here would like to know.
So do tell us Turin! What happened??
There's obviously a reason Turin posted what he/she did, and I'll bet there's an interesting story behind it that a few on here would like to know.
So do tell us Turin! What happened??
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It wasn't pointless for the two hundred-plus passengers who had their flight delayed today due to their a/c being returned to stand because some idiot in the orange Airbus behind them doesn't know what an outflow valve looks like!!
And it meant I missed the first half of a rather engaging Association Football match.
And it meant I missed the first half of a rather engaging Association Football match.
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Oh for crying out loud!
An Airbus pilot should know what an outflow valve looks like on another Airbus.
It does not look anything like a 'loose panel' or a hatch that has been left open.
BOAC
Is it SOP to close it just before take off?
No it isn't.
AF330. Shut Up!
On the plus side, a late injury time equaliser secured a point.
An Airbus pilot should know what an outflow valve looks like on another Airbus.
It does not look anything like a 'loose panel' or a hatch that has been left open.
Pity you didn't think of closing it!
Is it SOP to close it just before take off?
No it isn't.
AF330. Shut Up!
On the plus side, a late injury time equaliser secured a point.
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@ Turin.
Hope your company contacts the Orange ones and asks for an explanation? This is the sort of thing the tabloids would love to jump all over. ;-)
Did you ask them to follow you back in and point out the loose panel?
Hope your company contacts the Orange ones and asks for an explanation? This is the sort of thing the tabloids would love to jump all over. ;-)
Did you ask them to follow you back in and point out the loose panel?
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Hey TURIN, I am really suprised by your reaction....
I just talked about the outflow valve today with an aeronautical engineer, and in his docs it was creally written CPC (cabin pressure controller) manage the outflow valves. So please explain me what happened. The CPC's can close/open the different outflow valves...
I just talked about the outflow valve today with an aeronautical engineer, and in his docs it was creally written CPC (cabin pressure controller) manage the outflow valves. So please explain me what happened. The CPC's can close/open the different outflow valves...
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Thing is you're completely missing the point. It is not about computers, it is about the knowledge, or lack thereof, of professional pilots, not eager aviation nerds.
I saw something like that unfold once as well, however the crew in the leading aircraft asked very specific questions about the location of the "loose panel" or open hatch, decided it was the outflow valve and departed without returning to the stand. The crew in the following aircraft learned that day that not all outflow valves are in the same position on every aircraft.
I saw something like that unfold once as well, however the crew in the leading aircraft asked very specific questions about the location of the "loose panel" or open hatch, decided it was the outflow valve and departed without returning to the stand. The crew in the following aircraft learned that day that not all outflow valves are in the same position on every aircraft.
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Cabin Pressure Controller
Maybe it is time to revert to having PROFESSIONAL Cabin Pressure Controllers, namely Flight Engineers, and the pilots can do what they do best. Like fly the aeroplane and not have to overtax their brains with the technicalities of the beast. Hard Hats at the ready!!!!
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It's quite common that Bus outflow valve freak people out:
1) a non-pilot friend called me from a departure lounge telleing me that he just saw an Airbus passing by with some door open and asking me if he should alert the staff and make fuss about it. After a few guidance questions as to where it was/what it looked like I told him no...
2) Taxiing for departure an A320 had the same call from the tower - again, after 1-2 additional questions and a good look on the ECAM door page we elected to go.
Perhaps it's a good idea to do a good analysis of the problem before doing 180...
BTW, anyone remember this old chestnut:
Tower: "Airline XXX, it looks like one of your baggage doors is open."
Captain (after quickly scanning the FE panel): "Ah, thanks tower, but you must be looking at our APU door."
Tower: "Okay, Airline XXX, cleared for takeoff."
Captain: "Cleared for takeoff, Airline XXX."
Tower, during the takeoff roll: "Airline XXX, ahh ... it appears that your APU is leaking luggage..."
1) a non-pilot friend called me from a departure lounge telleing me that he just saw an Airbus passing by with some door open and asking me if he should alert the staff and make fuss about it. After a few guidance questions as to where it was/what it looked like I told him no...
2) Taxiing for departure an A320 had the same call from the tower - again, after 1-2 additional questions and a good look on the ECAM door page we elected to go.
Perhaps it's a good idea to do a good analysis of the problem before doing 180...
BTW, anyone remember this old chestnut:
Tower: "Airline XXX, it looks like one of your baggage doors is open."
Captain (after quickly scanning the FE panel): "Ah, thanks tower, but you must be looking at our APU door."
Tower: "Okay, Airline XXX, cleared for takeoff."
Captain: "Cleared for takeoff, Airline XXX."
Tower, during the takeoff roll: "Airline XXX, ahh ... it appears that your APU is leaking luggage..."
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It does not look anything like a 'loose panel' or a hatch that has been left open.
Some maintenance hatches are not much bigger, but most of them are on the fuselage centerline. e.g. rear stabiliser access panel on a 747. The A330 fuelling panel is off-centre, but well underneath the aircraft. The forward equipment centre hatch on an A380 is also off centre but opens inwards, I recall.
The red outline may be a give-away (to show a hazard area), but an orange/red colour scheme might hide that somewhat.
Tower: "Airline XXX, it looks like one of your baggage doors is open."
Captain (after quickly scanning the FE panel): "Ah, thanks tower, but you must be looking at our APU door."
Captain (after quickly scanning the FE panel): "Ah, thanks tower, but you must be looking at our APU door."
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Perhaps the earlier post was onto something. Could you go to manual, close it, ask the other aircraft what they see now and if they say it is closed, you an go back to auto and go fly.
Many years ago in a different life while operating a very modest small twin I noticed a taxiing MD80 with something attached to it's nose gear.
I let ground control know and they relayed the message to the crew. They were concerned enough to return to the gate.
Where it was confirmed it was the 'spray deflector'
Oops, I was embarrassed but the crew were kind enough to thank me, and I didn't feel too bad as they weren't sure what it was either.
Unfortunately if someone see's something they think is abnormal it's pretty much incumbent on you that you get it looked at, in the past we have had a mechanic drive out and take a look before giving us a 'thumbs up'
If you ignore it and something happens it won't look good
I let ground control know and they relayed the message to the crew. They were concerned enough to return to the gate.
Where it was confirmed it was the 'spray deflector'
Oops, I was embarrassed but the crew were kind enough to thank me, and I didn't feel too bad as they weren't sure what it was either.
Unfortunately if someone see's something they think is abnormal it's pretty much incumbent on you that you get it looked at, in the past we have had a mechanic drive out and take a look before giving us a 'thumbs up'
If you ignore it and something happens it won't look good
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Hope your company contacts the Orange ones and asks for an explanation? This is the sort of thing the tabloids would love to jump all over. ;-)
Did you ask them to follow you back in and point out the loose panel?
Did you ask them to follow you back in and point out the loose panel?
By the time we (as the ground engineering contractor) were informed, the orange Airbus had long gone. (A clever way to jump a slot if you ask me
).If we had been informed straight away instead of nearly an hour after the a/c had initially left the gate, perhaps we could have avoided the RTS.
- No it isn't, but it should have avoided your delay. How does it go? What are Sop's for .......?