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Without F/D, PF can fall into the trap where they assume autothrust in speed mode. However, if the PNF has their F/D on say in 'Op Des' mode, then autothrust is in idle mode, NOT controlling speed.
Hence the rule, for simplicity is, both on (and followed) or both off.
Hence the rule, for simplicity is, both on (and followed) or both off.
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That is correct. You either fly with both FDs or switch them off together to get ATHR in speed mode. Flying with only one FD was cause of Indian Airline's fatal accident at Bangalore.
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Thank you Cough and Vilas.
I appreciate your quick response , Please excuse my silly questions since i am a beginner in A320 and waiting to do TR by next month
, I am preparing myself for TR using A320 Computer based training (CBT)
I appreciate your quick response , Please excuse my silly questions since i am a beginner in A320 and waiting to do TR by next month
, I am preparing myself for TR using A320 Computer based training (CBT)
If I can offer a friendly word of advice. I presume you are paying for the type rating and therefore you are the client. Ask your simulator instructor to first teach you how to manually fly the aeroplane without the flight director and automatic throttles until you are competent and confident to do so. That includes circuits and instrument flying. Only then should he introduce the automatic features, FD use and so on. It will pay off in the long run, believe me.
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You don't have to ask anything. Your type rating starts with 8 sessions of FNPT out of which 4 sessions are without AP, FDs, FPV or auto thrust. You learn basic thrust attitude flying along with other things.Later gradually automation is introduced.
You don't have to ask anything. Your type rating starts with 8 sessions of FNPT out of which 4 sessions are without AP, FDs, FPV or auto thrust. You learn basic thrust attitude flying along with other things.Later gradually automation is introduced.
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Basic attitude flying. Pride of manual flying. You know what? Having had a bellyful of manual flying - I would have thought that the reluctant slide into the 21st century would have been a breath of fresh air for you guys.
the whole basis of the magenta baby is to fly on automatics.
If you want to go manual then fly a Tiger Moth - jeez!
Look, either you can fly or not. If you can`t then you would not have got this far.
So lets assume you can - a safe assumption.
So now you have a choice - you want to pull it around the sky manually, or do you want to fly around all day on automatics?
Well, it depends if you want to work for a living, still or if you want to take it easy and let the higher levels of your brain take in an manage the big picture - knowing all the time, that, when necessary or appropriate, you can always, fly manually or drop down several levels of automation - until you are in fact flying manually.
Manual flying is a choice, as is flying the automatics and yes, the magenta - it is not a crime to fly the automatics, it is not bad, it is not a cancer, it is modern technology.
You want to fly the buttons then fly the buttons, its fun, just don`t rely on them as you would rely on yourself.
Its just for safety to fly manually. If you want to fly manually for fun or because it is supremely better than automatics at all times in the flying . . .flight then go fly a C150.FFS!
The divine aura of manual flying compared to the disdain of automatic flying is getting - in this time of 2014 - tedious!
the whole basis of the magenta baby is to fly on automatics.
If you want to go manual then fly a Tiger Moth - jeez!
Look, either you can fly or not. If you can`t then you would not have got this far.
So lets assume you can - a safe assumption.
So now you have a choice - you want to pull it around the sky manually, or do you want to fly around all day on automatics?
Well, it depends if you want to work for a living, still or if you want to take it easy and let the higher levels of your brain take in an manage the big picture - knowing all the time, that, when necessary or appropriate, you can always, fly manually or drop down several levels of automation - until you are in fact flying manually.
Manual flying is a choice, as is flying the automatics and yes, the magenta - it is not a crime to fly the automatics, it is not bad, it is not a cancer, it is modern technology.
You want to fly the buttons then fly the buttons, its fun, just don`t rely on them as you would rely on yourself.
Its just for safety to fly manually. If you want to fly manually for fun or because it is supremely better than automatics at all times in the flying . . .flight then go fly a C150.FFS!
The divine aura of manual flying compared to the disdain of automatic flying is getting - in this time of 2014 - tedious!
Last edited by Natstrackalpha; 25th Apr 2014 at 07:40. Reason: Tedium - ti - dum - ti dum.
Natstrackalpha, flying is a perishable skill. Doesn't matter if you can fly or not when you start flying a 320, fly it for 5 years on the automatics and whatever skills you think you have are gone. I see it all the time in the sim, turn off the flight directors and pilots don't even know where to look anymore. Heck a couple months ago our augment wanted to know why on earth I was playing with the rudder trim during the climb out ...
Go ahead and try it. Through 10 000' turn off autothrust, autopilot, flight director. Fly the STAR. Let us know how it works out.
Go ahead and try it. Through 10 000' turn off autothrust, autopilot, flight director. Fly the STAR. Let us know how it works out.
"...flying is a perishable skill."
How true, ahramin. And handling a modern jet-airliner manually - or as close to that as one is permitted to in the case of a FBW type - is a very different kettle of fish from a C150, DHC-1, or C47. Easier in some ways, tougher in others...
How true, ahramin. And handling a modern jet-airliner manually - or as close to that as one is permitted to in the case of a FBW type - is a very different kettle of fish from a C150, DHC-1, or C47. Easier in some ways, tougher in others...
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Natstrack, I agree wholeheartedly with most of your post, except that point of manual flying in the initial phase of the A320 TR has it's greatest benefit (I feel) in introducing students to the slightly different handling characteristics of a FBW aircraft, as well as letting them get used to the EFIS and SOPs by flying using familiar principles.
Students on a TR can be new to jet engines, new to EFIS, new to heavy(ish) aircraft and new to FBW - often simultaneously! These are all concepts which can be eased into at first by building upon the 'basics' without initial use of the APFDS.
Students on a TR can be new to jet engines, new to EFIS, new to heavy(ish) aircraft and new to FBW - often simultaneously! These are all concepts which can be eased into at first by building upon the 'basics' without initial use of the APFDS.
Read this.
http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/53804...ck-basics.html
I see a whole bunch of kids coming onto the A320 with lots of knowledge of the modes and SOPs who don't disconnect until 200ft, then struggle to land the aircraft. It appears that Airbus believe the best way to train for the A350 is to start with basic handling.
I'm with Centaurus.
http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/53804...ck-basics.html
I see a whole bunch of kids coming onto the A320 with lots of knowledge of the modes and SOPs who don't disconnect until 200ft, then struggle to land the aircraft. It appears that Airbus believe the best way to train for the A350 is to start with basic handling.
I'm with Centaurus.
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Natstrackalpha,
I appreciate your point on flying light aircraft, but when the chips are down in your transport category jet, you're going to want to have the skills on that aircraft type.
I appreciate your point on flying light aircraft, but when the chips are down in your transport category jet, you're going to want to have the skills on that aircraft type.
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Some of the posts about type rating suggest that people are not aware of the syllabus of A320 type rating. It starts with 8 sessions of flight and navigation procedures training in FTD or SIM without motion, First four/five sessions consist of absolute raw data flying without AP, ATHR, FD or even FPV. Trainees practice S type climbing/descending manoeuvres. They also practice SIDs STARS all pitch and thrust flying. So by the time trainees arrive at FFS stage they are quiet proficient in raw data. But some airlines have their own syllabus which is practiced in procedure trainer or APT to save cost which can only be used in automation. This has very poor results as trainees cannot get handling practice. However with adaption of MPL programme this problem will be overcome as there are 35 sessions in FFS A320 SIM and before that in smaller jet SIM. But I have seen even many experienced pilots are also poor in raw data handling because they never acquired the skill. SFO accident is proof of that. I don't believe it was one off incident. When a fully serviceable aircraft in clear weather is destroyed it is very poor professionalism. Air India express Mangalore accident was because descent was given late and Ex pat capt. with 10000 hrs could not plan his descent and nothing else. So we should not be too harsh on the new comers. After all they did not lower the requirements. It was by the authorities.
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vilas,
I believe your reference to the 8 FNPT sessions (Entry Level Training) applies only to those who have no previous multi-crew AND jet experience.
ELT is not required for those who flew multi-crew jets.
I believe your reference to the 8 FNPT sessions (Entry Level Training) applies only to those who have no previous multi-crew AND jet experience.
ELT is not required for those who flew multi-crew jets.
