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Old 1st Aug 2012, 21:35   #41 (permalink)
 
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To move the topic a bit off subject: Given the structural and maintenance advantages of wing pylon mounted engines and their one principle disadvantage (longer landing gear) why don't we see more large high wing passenger aircraft?
From a fuel systems point of view, in the case of multiple pump failure, gravity feed uses up most of the fuel in the case of a low wing with dihedral and underslung engines, whereas a high wing with anhedral could leave a fair amount of unused fuel in the tips.

In addition, wingtip surge tanks are self draining on a wing with dihedral.

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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 17:58   #42 (permalink)
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Tire-Engine Common Mode Failures, Fin-Rudder Blanking

Re' positioning Engine Inlet AFT of the MLG-Tyres:

FAR 25.1091 (d) (2): “... the air inlet ducts must be located or protected so as to minimize the ingestion of foreign matter during takeoff, landing, and taxiing....”

FAR 33.77 : “... The engines shall under normal operating conditions tolerate ingestion of foreign objects ...”


Also note that Part 25 never required Wheel Well Fire Warning, so the DAC (-9s -80s -90s) models presented the possibility of a "NationAir-style" complex failure interaction (with the loss of the engine combined with an undetected Wheel Well Fire).

There are so many examples of Tire-Tire-Engine failure, it would take a while to post all the cases [recall that often the sister Tire on that axle failed quickly after the initial tire failed], here are just a few examples:
--Crossair/ 31Jul99 at Geneva tire-engine;
--DAL/ 17May99 NLG Tire ingested into engine on T/O at ELP;
--AeroLloyd/ 2Sep98 MD83 reg D-ALLO at Frankfurt, tire-engine;
--AOM French/ 6Jun98, MD87 reg F-GGMD, #4 Tire failed which then failed Right Engine; at Antalya, Turkey, Rt MLG collapsed on landing;
--Continental / 21Sep97 MD82-77827 T/O tire-engine (FAA incident rpt);
--landing mishap Alaska/ 27Nov97 landed ONT #4 Tire into Rt Eng, also failed AntiSkid.
-- DAL 2049/ 21Oct99 MD88 T/O from Providence RI, tire failure and engine Fire; diverted to BOS.
-- TWA 23 /25Oct99 tire failure and engine failures.
There is the history of Blue-Ice ingestion for B727 and MD8.

The other realm of an odd-family of exemplars is the Loss of Directional Control, Rwy Excursion, due to Fin-Rudder "blanking" during landing-roll, with use of ThRev's [AFT mounted engines], and the odd ground-loop of the jet airliner:

-- NTSB AAR81-16, DC-9-80, N1002G, Yuma, AZ, 19Jun80, RE [Rwy Excursion & ground-loop]: Effect of Reverse Thrust on Directional Control, “The flight test data showed that at 1.6 EPR symmetric reverse thrust and at 109 KEAS, the powered rudder control effectiveness was zero."


-- Saturday 10Jul93 3:30 PM at Huntsville, Alabama. A MD88 operated by Delta Airlines landed on 18R and ended up doing an unscheduled turning motion at high speed as it slid off the west side of the runway traveling backwards. The aircraft came to rest facing north on the grass on the west side of the runway. WX: isolated TRWs, rainstorm over the HSV 18R runway at about the center. ... touched down long, on that part of the runway that was covered with rainwater. Hydroplaning began immediately. [Rwy grooved, recently cleaned.] Airport Ops manager reported "white streaks" on the runway surface that show where the hydroplaning wheels passed....
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 19:21   #43 (permalink)
 
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If you don't buy the concept of spreading the mass laterally to reduce the wing root bending moment consider this ...

Tune in and watch an Olympic gymnast. I bet you could hold your entire body weight by hanging with both hands from one ring directly overhead but I bet you can't do a crucifix. Watch an Olympic champion doing a crucifix and consider the additional structure (muscle) he has in his shoulders to withstand the wing root bending moment!

Works the same way for an aeroplane!

Happy landings!

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