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Old 9th Apr 2011, 07:53   #1 (permalink)
 
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B727 APU starting problem

Morning guys, looking for info please to sort out a problem.
After long flight our APU does not want to start after landing. Left overnight it will start normally. Looks like coldsoaking causing it not to start. What could the problem be?

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Old 9th Apr 2011, 08:07   #2 (permalink)
 
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Starter kicks in.
Will only go out at about 45 sec, sometimes not.
EGT rise and keep on rising.

It seems that the whole cycle just takes too long. Starter takes too long to kick out and EGT keeps rising.
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Old 9th Apr 2011, 09:30   #3 (permalink)
 
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If the battery voltage drops below 18V or so during the start, some of the relays fail to sequence. Select and watch the Batt voltage during the start, and see if the cold has affected the batteries? If the voltage is low the system will prevent the APU from operating due to no fire protection.

(Note: this is (an educated) guess! )
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Old 10th Apr 2011, 11:56   #4 (permalink)
 
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Kind of slim on the details there, how is the start cycle going?

Is it just refusing to even crank or is it not lighting off?

If it's cranking how much time are you giving it before turning it off?

Etc. Etc.

I've seen water get into strange places in 727s, might be some freezing the fuel valve shut in flight. I have this happen often on a crossfeed valve in one plane.
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Old 10th Apr 2011, 15:17   #5 (permalink)

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Could be the starter itself.

Checkboard has some good ideas on this. A low battery can cause a lot of problems.
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Old 10th Apr 2011, 20:12   #6 (permalink)

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What oil does it take? We got around a lot of 'cold soak' issues on the 747 classic by changing the oil from Mobil jet 2 to Castrol 325. The lower viscosity allowed the APU to spin up faster. (Don't think 325 is still available so we use Shell 390 on the 744)
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Old 11th Apr 2011, 07:59   #7 (permalink)
 
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Does that APU have a 'De-Oil Solenoid'....?

Its a long long time since I worked on B727s and I honestly can't even remember what kind of APU they have fitted, but from years of experience on the old 737s I always reckon those old style 'steam driven APU's were a lot easier to troubleshoot than many of the modern FADEC controlled equivalents as the APU start sequence was done in a series of methodical steps so it was easy to determine the faulty component by analysing exactly how far into the sequence it got. For example you would have something like, switch on, fuel SOV open, inlet door open, starter engagement, oil px rise, ignition on, fuel in, timed acceleration to 50%, starter cut out....etc etc.... It was relatively easy to confirm each step and I'm sure the 727 must be somewhat similar.
What rotation speed are you getting..? Does the APU have a feature where if it hasn't completed the sequence in a certain time it abandons the start..?
Have you tried rotating the APU by hand? Does it feel stiff to turn when compared to another? Does it have a mechanical (or electronic) speed switch for controlling the start sequence?
What components have you already changed? Back in the old days we cured most APU problems by changing the FCU, load control valve, surge bleed valve, speed switch and occasionally a weak starter motor.
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 01:10   #8 (permalink)
 
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You have a 727 that starts?
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Old 12th Apr 2011, 06:43   #9 (permalink)
 
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There's lots of 727s that start. A few DC-6s 7s even, a bunch of DC-3s too, those old American built planes outlast a lot of the stuff from other places, so don't be so surprised that theyre still running.
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