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Old 16th Jul 2007, 13:50   #1 (permalink)
 
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Climb g*adi**ts

What is th* **lati** b*tw*** th* mi*imum SID climb g*adi**t, usualy 3,3%, a*d th* sta*da*t 2,4% a*d 1,2% *f th* i*itial climb th* limit *u* tak* *ff w*ight?
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*i B*ck** Ju*i** - xxx I s** y*u m**ti** 2**4% a*d 1**2%** Th*s* a** th* s*c**d a*d thi*d/fi*al s*gm**t *f climb f** a 2 **gi** tu*b*j*t ai*c*aft, such as B-737 ** MD-80****** If y*u study th* &qu*t;c*itical s*gm**t&qu*t; (th* 2*d s*gm**t) *f 3 **gi** tu*b*j*t ai**la**s, such as a B-727 ** a MD-11, it is 2**7%****** A*d th* 2*d s*gm**t f** a 4 **gi** tu*b*j*t *la**, lik* th* B-747 is 3**0%****** xxx Th* SID/climb g*adi**t y*u m**ti** is th* actual climb that must b* *bs**v*d f** y*u t* c*m*ly with a d**a*tu**** Sh*uld y*u hav* a* **gi** failu**, y*u will **t b* abl* t* c*m*ly with that d**a*tu**** Y*u* ai*li** ***bably will *ublish **gi**-*ut (**gi** failu**) d**a*tu**s **uti*gs, sh*uld y*u hav* a ***bl*m t* climb ** a SID** xxx Ha**y c**t*ails
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** s**cial ***c*du**

HI a*d tha*ks f** th* ***ly** I d**t thi*k th*y a** bas*d ** th* sam* thi*g** I d* fly th* 737 thats why i m**ti***d th* 2,4/1,2%** A*d alm*st *v**y SID I fly *v**yday is bas*d ** 3,3% a*d th*** a** ** s**cial ***c*du** *ublish*d**
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*i Ch* - xxx Th* climb s*gm**ts c*m* f**m *a*t 25, which is a c**tificati** sta*da*d f** th* ai**la**** As a* *xam*l* f** th* 737, y*u* fi*st s*gm**t must b* a &qu*t;**sitiv* climb&qu*t; (** g*adi**t s**cifi*d) u*til y*u* g*a* is **t*act*d** Th** sta*t y*u* s*c**d s*gm**t, 2**4% u*til 400 f**t ab*v* y*u* lift*ff **f****c* **i*t wh*** y*u **duc* **gi** t* max c**ti*u*us th*ust** th** sta*t y*u* thi*d/fi*al s*gm**t at 1**2% **qui**d, u*til 1,500 ab*v* lift*ff **f****c*, wh*** y*u ca* acc*l**at* a*d **t*act fla*s** xxx Y*u* SID 3**3% is **t a c**tificati** s*gm**t, it is a climb **qui**d t* cl*a* *bstacl*s f** th* d**a*tu** **ut*** *bvi*us if y*u l*st a* **gi** at V1, y*u c*uld **t c*m*ly with that SID** xxx **c*ba um ab*aç* d* s*u amig*** xxx Ha**y c**t*ails
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T* **i*f**c* th* c*mm**ts mad* by B*lA*gUSA, th* SID **qui**m**ts (***g** 3**3%) a** t* b* m*t u*d** *A*S-**S / T***S *ul*s f** A** (All **gi**s ****ati*g)** Th* 2**4% (G**ss) a*d 1**2% 4th S*gm**t (a*d *v**all) a** t* b* m*t by FA* 25 (a*d it's *quival**ts) f** **I (*** **gi** I*****ativ*)** Th* 2 s*ts *f *ul*s hav* vi*tually **thi*g i* c*mm**, *s**cially i* t**ms *f v**tical a*d lat**al cl*a*a*c* *f *bstacl*s** F** *ach a*d *v**y Tak**ff, th* ai*c*aft must b* at such a w*ight that th* FA* 25 **I **qui**m**ts may b* m*t, a*d th* **uti*g a*d Altitud* **qui**m**ts *A**LY ag*** with th* ***mal SIDS, thus, S**cial ***c*du**s (s*m*tim*s call*d **I SIDS) hav* t* b* d*v*l***d** If y*u d**'t ca**y th*s*, th** y*u sh*uld!!!!!!! D****di*g u*** th* quality *f th* s**vic* ***vid**, th*s* a** s*m*tim*s t*a*s*a***t** F** *xam*l*, *** maj** s**vic* ***vid** b*gi**i*g with a J wh* ****at*s f**m D**v** a*d F*a*kfu*t, d**s **t ***vid* a*y **SID if **I ca* b* acc*m*dat*d with mai*tai*i*g *u*way T*ack, *v** th*ugh th* Mi*imum Acc*l**ati** Altitud* may b* w*ll ab*v* th* ***mal 400 f**t (which, t* m*, mak*s it a s**cial ***c*du**)** Th*i* data als* ca**i*s a l**gitudi*al limit, usually 30 mil*s, aft** that, y*u'** ** y*u* *w* - A **x ** th*i* syst*m! A full *x*la*ati** *f this w*uld **qui** th* us* *f Da**y's **ti** ba*dwidth, that sh*uld d* f** **w** **ga*ds, *ld Sm*k*y
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Tha*ks a l*t f** y*u* c**sid**ati**s** It is *ight t* say th** that if y*u a** d**a*ti*g limit*d by climb i* w*ight, y*u w**t hav* ***f**ma*c* t* fly th* SID with m*** tha* 2,4% ** 2*d s*g** G*a*d* ab*aç*, B*la*gUSA
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Old 23rd Jul 2007, 11:52   #7 (permalink)


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Th* mi*imum d*sig* g*adi**t f** a SID is 3**3%, f**m a mi*imum *f 35 f**t *v** th* D**a*tu** **d *f th* *u*way (aka th* D**) u*til th* **i*t at which th* SID **ds** If th* **d **i*t im*i*g*s ** y*u* 2*d s*gm**t, which is i*va*iably th* cas*, y*u hav* t* b* abl* t* mai*tai* at l*ast 3**3% **t climb ** th***'s a cha*c* that y*u will **t cl*a* a* *bstacl*** *S is *ight, as usual, i* that if y*u* a****la** will **t climb at ** ab*v* 3**3% i* th* **I cas*, u*d** a*y s**cific c**diti**s, y*u* c*m*a*y **ally sh*uld ***vid* a* *m**g**cy *sca** **ut* ***c*du****
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Old 23rd Jul 2007, 13:08   #8 (permalink)
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**** a f*w additi**al th*ughts **** (a) th* d*sig* c**tificati** figu**s (i* 2**4 g**ss *tc ****) a** WAT (maximum W*ight f** Altitud* a*d T*m***atu**) limits (f** th* va*i*us s*gm**ts) a*d a** i*t**d*d **ly t* mak* su** that th* c**tificati** a*imal is abl* t* climb at a (v**y) m*d*st g*adi**t (thi*k just h*w shall*w 2**4 **ally is) aft** a* **gi** failu** acc**di*g t* th* H* a*d *AT **** if y*u ***f**, th* WAT limit*d w*ights av*id th* ***d f** climb t* b* d****d**t ** th* cu*vatu** *f th* *a*th** WAT limits hav* **thi*g t* d* with *bstacl*s ** a*ythi*g *ls* **** th*y a** *u** a*d sim*ly mi*imum f*** ai* climb g*adi**t **qui**m**ts **** (b) th* SID **qui**m**ts a** ***c*du*al **** a*d, *ft**, v**y much *bstacl* d*iv** ******** (c) h**d *S a*d *z*x ** maki*g su** that y*u ca* g*t th* **I g*adi**t ab*v* th* SID t* av*id th* bum*y bits **** (d) f** a twi* u*d** c*itical c**diti**s **** it is **t u*h*a*d *f f** th* **t flight *ath t* *xt**d u*wa*ds *f 50 mil*s ****** (*) all i* all **** if th* ai****t is **t *xc*ssiv*ly b**ig* **** th** *** is w*ll advis*d t* l*av* th* *umb** c*u*chi*g t* th* **s **gi****s a*d fly th* **I *sca** ***c*du** as ***sc*ib*d ****
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A**th** im***ta*t **i*t t* ba** i* mi*d is that th* climb g*adi**ts a** i*va*iably **st*d as 'g**ss' limitati**s'** Th* cha*ts i* th* AFM g****ally d***t*s g**ss climb** K**ck *ff 8% f** **t** Ma*y FA* 23 c**tifi*d ai*c*aft **ally **ly hav* 3 climb s*gm**ts** M*st, if **t all FA* 25 ai*c*aft (*l*as* *a*d** my lack *f k**wl*dg*********I may **t b* 100% c****ct********it's b*** a l**g tim*) hav* 4 s*gm**ts *f climb** Th* **as** I say 3 is that **sitiv* *at*, i* s*m* sch**ls *f th*ught, is **t c**sid***d climb, h**c* 3** Th* fi*st is th* 'cl*a* u*', i* fla*s, at 400' u*l*ss th* c*m*a*y is usi*g tabulat*d data a*d that i*f* al*** will d***t* th* cl*a* u* altitud*** At this **i*t th* ai*c*aft is acc*l**at*d t* VYS* a*d a*y additi**al **w** m*d*s a** activat*d, i* wat** m*th (agai* FA* 23 ai*c*aft)** V**y f*w ai*c*aft hav* this **ti**, th* T**331 c*m*s t* mi*d** A*d th*** a** limitati**s ** th* us* *f m*th** 5 mi*ut*s f**m m*m**y** At 1500' AGL th* last *f additi**al **w** (3*d s*gm**t) c*m*s i*t* *lay (**s**v* **w** f** i*sta*c*) a*d th** it's a cas* *f f*ll*wi*g th* SID, ** th* *sca** ***c*du** as d*cum**t*d i* th* tab data, t* av*id t***ai*** J*ts a** a littl* diff****t as th*y m*stly stay at T* **w** u*til Max C**ti*u*us is s*l*ct*d i* th* ** situati** a*d y*u just d* y*u* b*st but *ss**tially cl*a* u* at acc*l**ati** alt a*d vys* ** Vcl*a* u*til cl*a* *f t***ai*** Agai* it's b*** a whil* si*c* I w**k*d this stuff but *ss**tially it's g**d t* k**w** K**wi*g th* ***c**tag*s is *** thi*g but wh** y*u'** i* th* shit a*d fighti*g with a* ai*c*aft thats d*w* ** a* **gi** th* ***c*du** t* g*t th* thi*g ab*v* th* t***ai* is th* m*st im***ta*t thi*g t* k**w** S** will 9**9 tim*s *ut *f 10 hav* y*u h*m* at th* **d *f a* *th**wis* **di*a*y day** **t su** if this will h*l*** H*** it d**s** **ga*ds D

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D*f***st*at**, I thi*k that I'll add y*u* *a*ly **ma*k t* my wish list** Did y*u **ally m*a* 8% d*lta b*tw*** G**ss a*d **t Climb G*adi**ts? If **ly it w*** t*u*, a ty** ***ha*s? M*thi*ks y*u m*a*t 0**8% Th*** is a* *l*m**t *f disc*mf**t f** m*st *il*ts i* disc*u*ti*g a*y climb ca*ability (f** a twi*) i* th* 1st s*gm**t, with th* **gulati**s m***ly s**cifyi*g that th* g*adi**t ***d **ly b* **sitiv*** I* t*uth (at l*ast f** m*st ai*c*aft) th* D*lta b*tw*** 1st a*d 2*d s*gm**ts ACTUAL g*adi**ts *a**ly *xc**ds 1%, thus, if y*u m**t th* **t 1**6% **t mi*imum **qui**m**t (as y*u must), th* ACTUAL 1st s*gm**t is usually *f th* **d** *f 0**6% ** s*** Ha*dly sta*tli*g ***f**ma*c*, but a da***d sight b*tt** tha* just &qu*t;**sitiv*&qu*t;** *f c*u*s*, th*** may b* s*m* 1st S*gm**t &qu*t;d*gs&qu*t; *ut th*** that kill this c*mf**t l*v*l** Hmmm, a bit *f disc*mf**t i* *laci*g **lia*c* ** S**s g*tti*g y*u h*m* at th* **d *f th* day** F** g**d ****at**s with th***ughly d*v*l***d **SIDs, y*s, that's t*u*** Sadly, I k**w *f m*** tha* a f*w ****at**s wh*s* S** f*ll*wi*g **gi** failu** is t* mai*tai* *u*way T*ack, a*d that's it** **T **c*mm**d*d at Albu*y 07, Ca*b***a 17, T*w*svill* 19, Alic* S**i*gs 30, H*ba*t 30, Ad*laid* 05 ** 12************ just t* *am* a f*w Aust*alia* *asti*s s**i*g as y*u* m**ika says y*u'** f**m Aust*alia** Th*s* a** a f*w v**y *bvi*us '*asti*s', th* s**mi*gly b**ig* 200 f**t hill at a mil* f**m th* *u*way **d that s**m*d s* i***c**t i* day t* day All-**gi**s ****ati**s, is **ally g*i*g t* s**il y*u* day wh** *** quits at V1******** just a 3**3% g*adi**t t* m**t Vs th* 1**6% **t that S**s ***vid*d f** (*v** th* full 2**4% G**ss w**'t b*at that ***)** ** c*iticism *f a g**d **st, just *utti*g a f*w thi*gs i*t* ***s**ctiv*** **ga*ds, *ld Sm*k*y
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*ld Sm*k*y, It was i*d**d a ty**** A*d I ag*** with y*u* valid **i*ts ** climb g*adi**ts** Ma*y a** u*awa** *f s*m* *f th* fi*** **i*ts *f ** ***f**ma*c* (** lack th****f)** A g**d th**ad** **************Giv** fu*th** **fl*cti** a*d ***usi*g *f y*u* **st y*u'v* **mi*d*d m* *f s*m* v**y im***ta*t c**sid**ati**s** As I m**ti***d i* my **st, it's b*** a whil* si*c* I was i*st*ucti*g **wbi*s, a*d i*d**d s*m* **t s* **w, ** this im***ta*t subj*ct** It's t**ubli*g that ma*y ****at**s *f FA* 23 a*d 25 ai*c*aft d**'t acc**d with th* b***fits *f tabulat*d data** All c*m*a*i*s I'v* w**k*d f** hav* s*** th* b***fit *f it a*d i*d**d (*l*as* c****ct m* if I'm w***g) it's a CASA **qui**m**t f** **T **s** I* th* abs**c* *f SIDS, ******ly d*sig**d ** ***c*du**s f** *v**y ai*fi*ld d**a*t*d a** *f g**at b***fit, alb*it abs*lut*ly *ss**tial** A g**d **f**sh** f** all** Agai*, a m*st w**thy th**ad** **ga*ds a*d Tha*ks D

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D*f***st*at**, Y*s, i*d**d a g**d th**ad** It is i*d**d t*u* that CASA d* **qui** full **SID a*alysis f** **T ****ati**s, s*, i* s**aki*g t* a* Aust*alia*, I'm ***achi*g t* th* al**ady c**v**t*d** CASA a** **t al*** i* d*ma*di*g a high sta*da*d *f ****at**s i* this a**a, th*** a** ma*y *th** high sta*da*d **gulat**y auth**iti*s, but sadly, th*** a** *um***us **gulat**s a*d ****at**s a**u*d th* w**ld wh* m***ly *ay 'li* s**vic*' t* m**ti*g th*s* **qui**m**ts with littl* auditi*g *f c**duct *f ****ati**s i* this a**a** Tick i* th* b*x stuff! **ga*ds, *ld Sm*k*y
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Thats ab*ut it **ally** C**sid** this: M*st *f th* tim* SIDS a** fl*w* by t*a*s***t cat*g**y ai*c*aft** But SIDS a** **t *xclusiv* t* t*a*s***t cat*g**y **s** SIDS a** availabl* t* all IF* ****ati**s** ATC c*uld issu* a SID t* a* IF* C*ss*a 182, ** th* IF* *at*d **L c*uld *l*ct t* d* a SID wh** d**a*ti*g f**m a* AD *CTA** SID is IF*, **t ***f**ma*c*** If th* sta*da*d 3**3% SID g*adi**t **lat*s t* a*ythi*g it is m*** lik*ly t* **lat* t* a g****al IF* **qui**m**t -- hav**'t had th* tim* t* ch*ck it, but a 2**5% g*adi**t **qui**m**t f** IF* *bstacl* cl*a*a*c* i* miss*d a****ach *lus 0**8% fact** *i*gs a b*ll******************
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What is th* **lati** b*tw*** th* mi*imum SID climb g*adi**t, usualy 3,3%, a*d th* sta*da*t 2,4% a*d 1,2% *f th* i*itial climb th* limit *u* tak* *ff w*ight? Th* 2 s*ts *f *ul*s hav* vi*tually **thi*g i* c*mm**, *s**cially i* t**ms *f v**tical a*d lat**al cl*a*a*c* *f *bstacl*s**
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