Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner)
Reload this Page >

Stratolaunch rolls out of hangar.

Wikiposts
Search
Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) If you're not a professional pilot but want to discuss issues about the job, this is the best place to loiter. You won't be moved on by 'security' and there'll be plenty of experts to answer any questions.

Stratolaunch rolls out of hangar.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 31st May 2017, 23:23
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Arizona
Age: 77
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Stratolaunch rolls out of hangar.

Enormous Stratolaunch Carrier Aircraft Rolls Out of Hangar for First Time
Niner Lima Charlie is offline  
Old 31st May 2017, 23:33
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: UK
Age: 58
Posts: 3,495
Received 158 Likes on 85 Posts
Wow! They kept that quiet.
TURIN is offline  
Old 31st May 2017, 23:45
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by TURIN
Wow! They kept that quiet.
Another billionaire mega-project is Sergey Brin's blimp in one of the old NAS Moffett hangars:

Google co-founder Sergey Brin is building a hi-tech airship in Silicon Valley destined to be the largest aircraft in the world, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the project.

“It’s going to be massive on a grand scale,” said one, adding that the airship is likely to be nearly 200 meters long. This would make it by far the world’s largest aircraft today, albeit smaller than the epic Hindenburg Zeppelins of the 1930s, or the American navy airship USS Macon that was once based in the very same hangars where Brin’s aircraft is now taking shape.

The sources revealed details of the airship on the condition of anonymity, citing confidentiality agreements. Brin has revealed nothing of his airship ambitions and is building the airship in a giant hangar on a Nasa airfield far from the eyes of the public.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rgest-aircraft
Airbubba is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 00:55
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,195
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It's been in & out of the news for a couple years.

I wonder about the torque on the center wing section with the 2 independent tail sections. The FBW system has to be REALLY sophisticated to keep them in synch...
Intruder is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 01:33
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: UK/OZ
Posts: 1,887
Received 7 Likes on 4 Posts
Slightly greater wingspan than Antonov.
Two cockpits? One for flight crew and one for payload crew?

https://goo.gl/images/wGShwQ


Wow! They kept that quiet.
In retrospect the hangar doors were a clue
mickjoebill is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 01:43
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London, New York, Paris, Moscow.
Posts: 3,632
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
does it come with AES?
glad rag is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 02:42
  #7 (permalink)  
TWT
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: troposphere
Posts: 831
Received 31 Likes on 16 Posts
Captain is in left flightdeck,FO in right flight deck. Gets interesting when both declare 'I have control'
TWT is online now  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 06:40
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,816
Received 200 Likes on 93 Posts
Powered by 6 PW4056 engines salvaged from a pair of scrapped 747-400s.
DaveReidUK is online now  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 08:49
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Or to put this astonishing thing into perspective;

Stratolaunch
wingspan of 117 m (385 ft)
MTOW 1,200,000lb (540,000Kg)
Payload 500,000 (227,300Kg)

B747-400
Wingspan 211 ft 5 in (64.44 m)
MTOW 875,000 lb / 396,890 kg
APS 404,600lb / 183,520kg

C17
Wingspan: 169.8 ft (51.75 m)
Empty weight: 282,500 lb (128,100 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 585,000 lb (265,350 kg)

An225
Wingspan: 88.4 m (290 ft 0 in)
Empty weight: 285,000 kg (628,317 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 640,000 kg (1,410,958 lb)

(figures from Wikipedia)
noflynomore is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 19:27
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Flying launch plane finally debuts

Paul Allen's Ginormous Stratolaunch Carrier Plane Rolls Out for 1st Time

Big plane. Designed to carry orbital rocket platforms aloft for air launch.

I'm not an aero-engineer, but I'm a bit concerned about torsional rigidity with the tails being independent. Only common reference is the middle spar and surrounding structure. An engine failure on an outboard engine might be - interesting.
ethicalconundrum is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 19:41
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,816
Received 200 Likes on 93 Posts
http://www.pprune.org/spectators-bal...ut-hangar.html
DaveReidUK is online now  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 19:50
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: The Isle Dordt
Posts: 290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I do think the wing between both fuselages is extra strong, because it carries the mission payload. I see no problems with some elastic movement (on any modern plane the wings flex in turbulence) as the tails are mostly dragged along.
There will be some roll-axis flexing, but I see no issue with that. The middle wing looks pretty stiff with respect to yaw-axis flexing and that would need some wing-box strengthening compared to a single fuselage aircraft.
MathFox is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 20:03
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 125
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
"Stiff" and "elastic" are not descriptors commonly used together in engineering.

I'm a bit worried about asymmetrical moments on each tail individually.
ethicalconundrum is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2017, 20:11
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Boston
Age: 73
Posts: 443
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I would be more worried if there was a pilot in each cockpit in control of "their half" of the plane, would bring a whole new meaning to CRM

I presume that the flight control software would be capable of sensing and controlling any independant tail wagging tendencies.

What will be a major thrill is the response when 500,000 pounds is released.
MurphyWasRight is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2017, 15:35
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: No idea - what does the GPS say?
Age: 64
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I recall seeing the AN225 some years ago which needed careful management to taxi in your average larger airport. If this wingspan is 66 meters wider than the 225, and twice the weight of the 225, it will be interesting to see what changes will be required at its home base, and where it could divert to if it had an airborne issue far from home.
MoateAir is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2017, 16:08
  #16 (permalink)  

Avoid imitations
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Posts: 14,573
Received 419 Likes on 221 Posts
The tow truck drivers will need some formation training or things could get very nasty very quickly!
ShyTorque is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2017, 23:24
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by MoateAir
If this ... twice the weight of the 225

Actually about 100tons less by the figures given...
noflynomore is offline  
Old 3rd Jun 2017, 06:28
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 15,816
Received 200 Likes on 93 Posts
I don't think that rounding up 1.875 x to 2 x invalidates the OP's point.
DaveReidUK is online now  
Old 3rd Jun 2017, 09:07
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NI
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The data posted from Wikipedia is slightly misleading in that it lists the empty weight for the An-225 but no others. The Ukrainian beast is still the heaviest by a good margin.

In terms of configuration this is pretty-much a realisation of the Conroy Virtus "Shuttle Carrier Aircraft" design of the 1970s, or those barmy Molniya Heracles satellite-launcher designs of the 1990s. Nothing really new except it was built ( which I concede is a fairly major advance ).

# ep095 Molniya-1000 Heracles : USSR-AIRSPACE, Cosmonaut and Aviation collectibles
El Bunto is offline  
Old 3rd Jun 2017, 10:32
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I don't think that rounding up 1.875 x to 2 x invalidates the OP's point.
Where does 1.875 come from? I never quoted it if you please!
Stratolaunch MTOW 540T
An225 MTOW 640T.

ie Antonov is 100 tons heavier which by my maths makes the Stratothingy considerably lighter rather than twice as heavy...
noflynomore is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.