non-ATC assigned STAR
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non-ATC assigned STAR
Hi,
Usually when I fly into an airport I put my last waypoint into the flightplan and then let ATC decide what STAR i should fly and they give me the STAR clearance, since different STARs usually lead to different runways.
But for example, in the UK, the same STAR can lead to the same runway. So, if you write the STAR you'll be flying already in your flightplan, do you still need a specific clearance upon arrival to fly it? And if so, what if you do not enter you're STAR, will they specificlly clear you on to a STAR then?
Usually when I fly into an airport I put my last waypoint into the flightplan and then let ATC decide what STAR i should fly and they give me the STAR clearance, since different STARs usually lead to different runways.
But for example, in the UK, the same STAR can lead to the same runway. So, if you write the STAR you'll be flying already in your flightplan, do you still need a specific clearance upon arrival to fly it? And if so, what if you do not enter you're STAR, will they specificlly clear you on to a STAR then?
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Canadian/American ops: Normal airline ops is to file the STAR as part of the flight plan. Like you said, the last cruise point is normally the first STAR waypoint. In this case the STAR is considered part of the "flight plan route" and, unless you are given a different clearance limit, they won't even mention the STAR.
If you don't enter a STAR, ATC will give it as part of a clearance - either when in contact with clearance delivery or at some point along the route.
In many cases you'll be well into a STAR before you know what runway you've been assigned (you can guess of courses, but I find I'm only correct 45% of the time) - so that's why it's beneficial to file it, in case you're cleared to a STAR waypoint...plus, it also helps improve fuel burn calculations.
Welcome to see if anywhere else in the world is different!
If you don't enter a STAR, ATC will give it as part of a clearance - either when in contact with clearance delivery or at some point along the route.
In many cases you'll be well into a STAR before you know what runway you've been assigned (you can guess of courses, but I find I'm only correct 45% of the time) - so that's why it's beneficial to file it, in case you're cleared to a STAR waypoint...plus, it also helps improve fuel burn calculations.
Welcome to see if anywhere else in the world is different!
