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Old 27th May 2015, 12:18
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Okay, Just checked the B737 checklists and there is, on the pre-flight checklist, a 'line' per-se that indicates it is where the crew complete the Loadsheet critical data setting.

It comes after CDU preflight and before Taxi and take-off briefing which makes sense.

The only other 'line' is in the before take-off checklist as described above.

This is all from the Boeing QRH which follows Boeings flight philosophy.

Hope that helps.
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I don't normally come into this section of the forum but I was browsing earlier on and noticed this thread.

If you've got a spare 2 or so hours to kill, take a look at this YouTube film called made for ITVV on Virgin Atlantic B747400 EGGL to KSFO Flight 19.

Whilst it's not for the 737, it still takes you through the entire preflight.

Cap. also had a website at one point but I'm not sure if it's still up, though.

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Appreciate all the help, and hope this helps others too!


Do you have to get permission from ground crew to pressurize the HYD before start?
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Do you have to get permission from ground crew to pressurize the HYD before start?
Yes as you will be pressurising the powered flight controls and the nose wheel steering mechanism and they need to be aware of that in case there is any inadvertent movement. (especially with a tow bar attached!!!!)
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Ok i'll do that for my before start procedure!

If i'm getting towed and there isn't a locking pin for the nose gear will i leave HYD PUMP A off?

Also when the loadsheet arrives, does the PF and PM do a loadsheet review?
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From the current B737 Flight Crew Operating Manual:

Hydraulic panel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Set P2
If pushback is needed and the nose gear steering lockout pin is not
installed:

WARNING: Do not pressurize hydraulic system A.
Unwanted tow bar movement can occur.


System A HYDRAULIC PUMP switches – OFF

Verify that the system A pump LOW PRESSURE lights are
illuminated.

System B electric HYDRAULIC PUMP switch – ON

Verify that the system B electric pump LOW PRESSURE light
is extinguished.

Verify that the brake pressure is 2,800 psi minimum.

Verify that the system B pressure is 2,800 psi minimum.

If pushback is not needed, or if pushback is needed and the nose gear
steering lockout pin is installed:

Electric HYDRAULIC PUMP switches – ON

Verify that the electric pump LOW PRESSURE lights are
extinguished.

Verify that the brake pressure is 2,800 psi minimum.

Verify that the system A and B pressures are 2,800 psi minimum.
So, in answer to your question, yes leave HYD PUMP A off.

Also when the loadsheet arrives, does the PF and PM do a loadsheet review?
The following comes under the heading of Pilot Flying and Pilot Monitoring so therefore is completed and checked by both:

Inspect Loadsheet to verify if Final or Provisional. If Provisional,
confirm final Loadsheet figures have been received and actioned as per
the Late Close Out Procedure.

Confirm vital data is set for correct runway intersection and departure,
the correct runway on ND, correct speeds set and confirm correct thrust
and derates set.
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Good stuff, also why do pilots start the chrono during pushback?
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Not being on the jet myself I can only assume for the following:

Starter duty cycle:
• Multiple consecutive start attempts are permitted. Each start
attempt is limited to 2 minutes of starter usage.
• A minimum of 20 seconds is needed between the first and second
start attempts.
• A minimum of 3 minutes is needed between the second and
subsequent start attempts.
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Would you have an example of a loadsheet by anychance or maybe someone?
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As you have been falling over yourself to say 'thanks' for all the help you have thus received I will give you this last example.

Whilst I am happy to trawl through aircraft documentation to help flight simmers a little courtesy wouldn't go amiss and I have better things to do with my time now.

Wirbelsturm.

1 OF 2
OCM 23.5K
A/C PACKS ON
EGCC/24R

W/C 10 HW TEMP 21C
DRY RWY ANTI – ICE OFF
QNH 1013 MACTOW 0
DAY : CLG NIL
VIS 150M
NIGHT : CLG NIL
VIS 150M
PERF CORRS
NONE
F/L (TWY A1) TOR 3048
**FLAP 5** TOPL: 66.0
ATOW TEMP V1 VR V2
57.2 49 145 145 151
55.7 51 143 143 149
54.0 53 140 140 146
NOTES
SEE MSG 2 OF 2

2 OF 2
OCM 23.5K
A/C PACKS ON
EGCC/24R

NOTES
PERFORMANCE RESTRICTIONS
EMERGENCY TURN PROCEDURE
NO RESTRICTIONS. ENSURE
MSA IS REACHED.
BEFORE RETURN.
TERRAIN CLEARANCE HAS BEEN
CHECKED ON SIDS OUT TO MCT 20D.
END OF 2 of 2
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Best i can do really, so thanks once more to all. cheers!
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Just like to cover one other thing, i'm using LIDO charts from Navigraph and the charts have AOI (airport opertional information) will i include the relevant items from the airports general information in the briefing too?
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