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Old 24th Jul 2012, 09:23   #1 (permalink)
 
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North Korean Olympic Team

Does anyone know if a Korean Aircraft was used to bring their team to the UK? If so, which airport did it use and is it still around? Thanks..
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 14:01   #2 (permalink)
 
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A guess, and it's only my guess, would be that they flew Air Kyoro to Beijing and onward by other carrier.

Boy, how I'd hate to be wrong though!
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Doesn't look from this clip http://news.yahoo.com/video/north-ko...051310293.html that there were too many of them. Probably went from Pyongyang to Beijing on Air Koryo then onwards by BA or CA scheduled.
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 16:24   #4 (permalink)
 
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How many will be taking the return flight............
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 17:46   #5 (permalink)
 
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They all will. There will be too many minders with them for any of them to even think about aslyum. Plus what will happen to their families back home if they tried it on.
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Plus what will happen to their families back home if they tried it on.
Wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't have a tight leash around them already.
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Old 25th Jul 2012, 07:51   #7 (permalink)
 
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What a Stupid Question.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR should be suitably chastised and given a week in the stocks for asking such a sly loaded question. Does it matter who the athletes of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea elect to fly with ? The U.K. should be thanking them for even bothering to come considering the colour they will add to what looks like being a rather unspectacular event. As for defecting you can forget that, these athletes are North Korea's elite and they dont see the grubby west as some golden utopia.

Amazing how media political outporings are soaked up by the sponge like brains of the uninformed.

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Old 25th Jul 2012, 09:35   #8 (permalink)
 
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Not that I wish to speak for HD, but I'd wager that his question was more to do with the rare as a hen's tooth chance of seeing an Air Kyoro IL-62 in the UK. This is after all, 'spotter's corner' within PPRuNe

To balance things, mr ocean's missive is most likely true, being that the athletes will have received and experienced the best that NK has to offer bearing in mind that they are the friendly face of the regime. It's just a shame that the millions of other citizens within are left with dust and promises....A bit like the UK then



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Old 25th Jul 2012, 10:18   #9 (permalink)
 
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absit invidia

SpringHeeledJack;

On reflection I may been a bit hard on the Director and owe him an apology. I was somewhat irritated by the inane and stupid remarks that followed his question. Hopefully he will accept my " absit invidia ".

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Old 25th Jul 2012, 10:26   #10 (permalink)
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I didn't even realise there was a North Korean Olympic Team.

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Old 26th Jul 2012, 05:20   #11 (permalink)
 
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nor did the organisers
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 05:59   #12 (permalink)
 
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nor did the organisers
Almost spilt my coffee, almost.



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Old 26th Jul 2012, 08:48   #13 (permalink)
 
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I was somewhat irritated by the inane and stupid remarks that followed his question.
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I'm sorry if you were irritated. I was trying to offer a constructive response.

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I too would have loved to have seen an Air Koryo IL-62 or Tu-204 over here. They are rare birds indeed.
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Old 26th Jul 2012, 09:13   #14 (permalink)
 
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As for defecting you can forget that, these athletes are North Korea's elite and they dont see the grubby west as some golden utopia.
Which translated into plain English means: "Their families are not starving, unlike most of the civilian population, hence they are not desperate enough to defect". Besides the fact that they have surely all been hand-picked to be highly coercible, by threats to their families and similar measures. You can be sure there will be not one single athlete who stands to lose nothing by defecting.

Some East Germans got to travel to the West way back then too, but only a small portion of them did defect. I'm sure Korean authorities can be even more persuasive than the former Stasi.

To get back on topic, I don't think that North Korea considered even for a second to schedule a direct flight to the West. The athletes might not be at high risk of defection, but what if the whole crew did defect upon arrival? That would make getting the plane back a bit tricky.

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Old 26th Jul 2012, 10:43   #15 (permalink)
 
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It would indeed have been interesting to see an Air Koryo TU-204 landing in London but as far as anything older is concerned the answer looks to be no - Transport: List of airlines banned within the EU - European commission

I'll look out for the North Korean team though - they'll probably do everything synchronised!!
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The North Koreans did manage two flights to MAN with IL62 P-882 in connection with the World Student Games in Sheffield in the early 1990s. On both occasions the crew managed to stay with their aircraft and return home, so set a precedent. I doubt the crew ever considered defection, knowing the consequences for their extended families left back home.

The only time I have seen one of their machines. And probably ever will. Legion though the attractions of Pyongyang are, I can't see me bothering.
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Latest copy of one of the popular aviation periodicals has a report on an organised spotting trip to North Korea! (yes, I was surprised too).
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Latest copy of one of the popular aviation periodicals has a report on an organised spotting trip to North Korea! (yes, I was surprised too).
Won't this get you a 10 year sentence after a three-day trial for spying? And no, I'm not joking.
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Latest copy of one of the popular aviation periodicals has a report on an organised spotting trip to North Korea! (yes, I was surprised too).
There is a trip report somewhere on the web, try FlyerTalk.

Also try YouTube, I think there is film of a trip in an Air Koryo IL76
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I know a few people who have been - it sounds like a very very strange spot indeed

I guess if you are on an OFFICIAL tour you'd be OK - see

Photos North Korea

At least they allowed pictures at the airport - don't try THAT on the tarmac at Mount Pleasant................
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