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Old 30th Apr 2012, 10:36   #1 (permalink)
 
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Deliberate crash of 727 for television show

Given that the 727 is approaching 50 years old, is there any justification for smashing one up to gain scientific insight into accidents?

Or is it just for sensationalist TV?

VIDEO: Boeing 727 deliberately crashed in desert for TV
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 10:42   #2 (permalink)
 
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The aircraft was piloted to the crash location before the pilot ejected, and the trijet then descended in a level attitude - guided remotely by a chase aircraft - before impacting hard and breaking up.
I find it difficult to believe that they were able to install ejection seats. Jumped out the back door, I would believe.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 10:44   #3 (permalink)
 
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What were they trying to prove with this?

-A hard landing can overload the structure?
-Crashing is bad for Your health?
-An 1960s airliner is rather more solid than a paper aircraft?
-A firework specialist is required for a Hollywood-style fireball?

Unconvinced here...
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 10:48   #4 (permalink)
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All that would have cost a fortune.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 10:48   #5 (permalink)
 
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What do you put in your logbook?
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 11:05   #6 (permalink)
 
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Looks like a normal FO landing to me.

You can get a runout 727 for under half a million. I have no idea how you'd turn it into a giant R/C airplane.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 11:55   #7 (permalink)
 
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Date - Reg - Route - Comment: "Vacated aircraft at FLXXX"
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 11:55   #8 (permalink)
 
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What were they trying to prove?

Clear demonstration of
1) why to flare before touchdown
2) landing nose-gear first can cause more than just a wrinkle in the skin
3) doing the above on a soft surface will cause high forces and deceleration rates
4) TV producers may not be aware of any of the above .. or were seeking the third ...

I agree, what a waste, and I don't look forward to the shows that will use it.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 13:11   #9 (permalink)
 
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Maybe it was being "flown" by a PC flight sim enthusiast and it was done to prove that flight simmers cannot fly real airliners!
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 13:39   #10 (permalink)
 
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With out watching the video, is sounds like top gear, fingers crossed Clarkson was onboard ;-)
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 13:49   #11 (permalink)
 
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Been done before.............long ago

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Old 30th Apr 2012, 14:44   #12 (permalink)
 
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The idea was to research a survivable crash.
Here is a link to a PPRuNe discussion about the project way back in 2009 when after two years planning a December 2009 shoot was scheduled... originally a widebody Tri-Star L1011 was planned but apparently endless discussions between authorities + greenies + lawyers bled the budget.


UK TV Channel 4 to crash 300-seat jet into desert

Having learnt from this exercise lets hope there is plenty of scope for a
crash of a wide bodied aircraft with engines on its wings, shot in a way suitable for an Imax presentation

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Old 30th Apr 2012, 15:11   #13 (permalink)
 
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I wonder what the V/S at impact was?

Also interesting (and concerning?) that the cockpit simply broke off. I wonder what the nose gear assembly looks like...
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 15:14   #14 (permalink)
 
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I hope they got some good data out of that rather expensive experiment. Certainly looked interesting/fun to participate in. Wonder if they will release some better footage?
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 16:06   #15 (permalink)
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In a statement the producers say the crash "went according to plan and there were no injuries or damage to property".
No damage to property? Always heard that the 72 was built of steel and granite ...
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 16:08   #16 (permalink)

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I find it difficult to believe that they were able to install ejection seats. Jumped out the back door, I would believe.
I'm still trying to figure out where they put the ejection seat, so the pilot could "eject", as well. The pilot did not use the aft airstairs, as they were up. I guess he could have gone out of one of the main cabin doors. Using the forward cabin door he's have to have missed the wing and the aft cabin, the engine.

As for the cost of the airframe, old worn out 727s are dirt cheap to buy, as MarkerInbound noted.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 16:35   #17 (permalink)
 
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Lifelong fan of the TriJets, probably from Eastern and Delta being the primary means of travel for me years ago.
Living near TPA is quieter without the L1011s and 727s screaming nearby but I miss their beauty in flight.

This crash was no way to kill a proud old gal.

As an RC pilot, I would have been more creative and shown some moves before driving her in. At least let her show her stuff one last time...
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 16:48   #18 (permalink)
 
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What the bloody hell was the point? I'd rather channel 4 burnt a bunch of chavs alive. That I'd support. A mindless waste of time, probably funded by endless PPI claims adverts that have driven me to the brink of.........another glass of vino.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 16:59   #19 (permalink)
 
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Wonder if they will release some better footage?
The You Tube footage looks like it was shot near a local fire crew with an unauthorised camera...
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 17:24   #20 (permalink)
 
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The pilot did not use the aft airstairs, as they were up

Or removed for ease of escape...
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