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Old 28th Apr 2012, 11:05   #21 (permalink)
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The fact that the video is being played back at faster than normal speed makes things look a bit more dramatic.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 12:20   #22 (permalink)
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One also has to take into account the perspective added to the speed. The video is taken on a telephoto lens looking down the runway giving a poor perspective. To make a comparison you would need to see a side view to compare. Dont forget that operations would have been conducted within crosswind liimts. Recently I have also seen videos from a similar viewpoint at Dusseldorf. I am sure that there are probably hundreds on Youtube.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 16:17   #23 (permalink)

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What I mean is, If your silly enough to try it go for it
Silly? What a completely inappropriate and non-appropriable term. We are not payed to be silly. To suggest that freight pilots have a less professional attitude toward flight safety is absurd, along with being completely false.

It is quite obvious that you are not an experienced pilot and the orifice you are talking out of is not your mouth.

Do not attempt to make professional criticisms in a profession that you are not a professional in.

Oh, and one more point, it is spelled you're.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 18:10   #24 (permalink)
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If you were a freighter with nothing but the freight to lose go for it
So the lives of those who fly freight are worth less than those who fly people? Rubbish! They are worth EXACTLY the same.
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 02:14   #25 (permalink)
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Ok, its clear I've stood on toes here and so I have edited my post.

Con-Pilot, a bloke your age that has been a "Professional" for soooo long should, by now, be able to hold your tongue and/or put your point across in a more "Professional" manner rather than have a hissyfit like a 6 year old.

I am the first to admit my posts didn't read as well as I hoped and by no means are the lives of freighter pilots worth less than pax pilots. I meant that freighter pilots do not have to worry about pax comfort in rough conditions.

DX Wombat would love to know exactly what sound like.

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Old 29th Apr 2012, 10:10   #26 (permalink)
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Windy Bilbao

Some interesting landings here: BBC News - High winds shake planes landing in Bilbao, Spain

Maybe not the best thing to watch while in the departure lounge at LHR, but it is a bit calmer than that here, thankfully.
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Old 29th Apr 2012, 14:54   #27 (permalink)
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Happens all the time, as pilots do their stuff. Not always caught on camera. Not always a quiet news day!

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Old 29th Apr 2012, 15:16   #28 (permalink)
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What about the runways everyone forgot?

Tartare's very interesting assembly of cross-wind landings highlights a problem in many of the world's airports where the main runway alignment is selected to line up with the prevailing winds and there's nothing else to land on when the wind doesn't oblige.

Today at Cardiff Airport for example several flights had to be diverted or delayed because of high crosswinds which made landing on the main runway almost impossible.

But this begs the question - what about the other runway?. After all, most UK airports started life as RAF bases where there'd always be two runways in a cruciform formation at about 90 degrees to each other. If one runway was out because of crosswinds then the one aligned at 90 degrees to it would have far less of a problem. Maybe those old RAF guys knew a thing or two.

In civilian life many airports seem to have progressively concentrated on just the main east/west-aligned runway and forgotten all about the other one. Were they right to do so? Maybe there'd be fewer white-knuckle landings if the old layout had been retained .
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 01:36   #29 (permalink)
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Errm, not me Guv - it's commercial broadcaster footage - I just linked to it.
Coincidentally, being someone who used to work in TV in another life, as well as being a PPL - even allowing for camera angle and the foreshortening effects of camera zoom - those are still some pretty spectacular crosswind landings.
Yes - crap continuity mixing up different types on approach and touchdown.
And that Challenger/Gulfstream/Jungle Jet thingy that rejects it's landing was blown a loooong way off the centreline!!!
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 09:37   #30 (permalink)
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I meant that freighter pilots do not have to worry about pax comfort in rough conditions.
It would appear so from reading threads in the freighter forum - they'll put up with mild/heavy turbulence for longer before attempting to avoid it (I guess that's dependent on what you're carrying as well). The point is up in the cruise they have a choice whether to do that or not. Passenger jets have little choice as to where they are going to land and they can do nothing to avoid weather conditions at their destination. I'm sure the passengers would rather have an uncomfortable landing than divert to an airport miles away where the conditions are better.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 14:28   #31 (permalink)
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'I'm sure the passengers would rather have an uncomfortable landing than divert to an airport miles away where the conditions are better.'

Not sure about that TurboT - my guess is that most pax associate an 'uncomfortable landing' with fear of crashing and would be more than happy to divert. Suppose it depends how far away the divert is?

Would make an intersting study i.e. percieved risk of injury v's inconvenience.

Ladies and gentlemen this is yoru captain speaking. Airport A is experiencing severe crosswinds conditions (insert low vis, enormous hailstones etc) currently and statistically there is a very slightly higher risk of an 'incident' occuring. Would you like to proceed to airport A or divert to airport B which is 100 miles away?

Before everyone jumps down my throat, I know that different a/c have different crosswind tolerances and that the captain is a professional etc etc - its just a hypothetical.
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Old 30th Apr 2012, 14:49   #32 (permalink)
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I flew into Vitoria a few hours prior to this footage at Bilbao, just down the road. The wind was horrific, even to the point at 3000 feet the Autopilot wanted to disengage itself. Oh.......and swapped runways twice in 10 mins as well, just to add to the excitement!

The last time I want to see a 72kt wind at 3000'

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Old 30th Apr 2012, 14:58   #33 (permalink)
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Interesting that the only decent, stable approach was in a B737.
How could you know whether or not any of those approaches were stable from watching amateur video footage?

Hmmmm pays your money and takes your choice. You get what you pay for and maybe you want to bear that in mind when choosing a carrier.
Does that include Lufthansa?

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