T/Cook G-OMYT Engine Change 17/11/2012
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T/Cook G-OMYT Engine Change 17/11/2012
Hi, Could anyone please advise, asap please
Thomas Cook plane reg, G-OMYT flew from Manchester to Cancun on Sat 17/11/2012. Flying over Ireland, it declared an emergency & returned to Manchester, It then had an second hand, Engine Change 17/11/2012
Does anyone know the better specifics of the times involved in this specific engine change for G-OMYT 17/11/2012, & then presumably time to test afterwards. When was it declared fit for service again etc.
Clearly on its return to Manchester, G-OMYT engine would have been looked at, fault tried to be located, then a decision to change engine, then time to find a specific replacement engine, then when all changed, presume it would have had to go on a test flight, which would have involved, taking off slot etc, etc. ALL THIS IS TAKING TIME.
However, We are told, that this specific plane G-OMYT, was back in service long haul at 9am on Monday 19th Nov 2012 to Goa. Clearly the repair crew were super men.
However we are also told that G-OMYT did not fly to Goa on the 19th Nov 2012, but a different aircraft,, does anyone have the G number of that plane. Or proper time, or details of the events above.
Or if not specific to this G-OMYT aircraft, what is an average time scale for the above similar engine change over & testing ??.
Many Thanks.
Lucy
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Thomas Cook plane reg, G-OMYT flew from Manchester to Cancun on Sat 17/11/2012. Flying over Ireland, it declared an emergency & returned to Manchester, It then had an second hand, Engine Change 17/11/2012
Does anyone know the better specifics of the times involved in this specific engine change for G-OMYT 17/11/2012, & then presumably time to test afterwards. When was it declared fit for service again etc.
Clearly on its return to Manchester, G-OMYT engine would have been looked at, fault tried to be located, then a decision to change engine, then time to find a specific replacement engine, then when all changed, presume it would have had to go on a test flight, which would have involved, taking off slot etc, etc. ALL THIS IS TAKING TIME.
However, We are told, that this specific plane G-OMYT, was back in service long haul at 9am on Monday 19th Nov 2012 to Goa. Clearly the repair crew were super men.
However we are also told that G-OMYT did not fly to Goa on the 19th Nov 2012, but a different aircraft,, does anyone have the G number of that plane. Or proper time, or details of the events above.
Or if not specific to this G-OMYT aircraft, what is an average time scale for the above similar engine change over & testing ??.
Many Thanks.
Lucy
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Let me guess - collecting evidence for a Regulation 261 compensation claim?
Subsequent unserviceability due to a clearly botched engine change, hence not an 'unforeseen circumstance'?
Subsequent unserviceability due to a clearly botched engine change, hence not an 'unforeseen circumstance'?
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To the question of compensation, yes
27 hours, flight delay, 20 hours in transit
arrived at hotel at 4.40 AM,
followed by snapped off toilet in bedroom, & no other rooms available.
Yet APPARENTLY in emails from T/C, we were also given a free room upgrade to " AMASADOR SUITE ", Funny NO ONE TOLD US.
AS WAS EVERY PERSON ON TCX138 was upgraded, " before " you got to hotels, as stated by T/C. Funny thing is we never moved, & were never offered anything, & the upgrade was first STATED as done a week into holiday, then when challenged about room numbers, it was changed to BEFORE WE ARRIVED, " by virtue of compensation to GIVE SOLACE to everyone due to the flight delay "
As stated to T/C all crap, show us where you upgraded from & to what, showing room numbers & facts, NO PROOF ANSWER SINCE 20th Nov
27 hours, flight delay, 20 hours in transit
arrived at hotel at 4.40 AM,
followed by snapped off toilet in bedroom, & no other rooms available.
Yet APPARENTLY in emails from T/C, we were also given a free room upgrade to " AMASADOR SUITE ", Funny NO ONE TOLD US.
AS WAS EVERY PERSON ON TCX138 was upgraded, " before " you got to hotels, as stated by T/C. Funny thing is we never moved, & were never offered anything, & the upgrade was first STATED as done a week into holiday, then when challenged about room numbers, it was changed to BEFORE WE ARRIVED, " by virtue of compensation to GIVE SOLACE to everyone due to the flight delay "
As stated to T/C all crap, show us where you upgraded from & to what, showing room numbers & facts, NO PROOF ANSWER SINCE 20th Nov
There are far too many variables.
Diagnosis could be hours or 'next subject the B....... obvious' QEC could be a fully complete engine, only need a few simple components swapping, or a bare engine.
Could be pre tested or require power assurance runs.
A pre tested full QEC with a good crew, easy overnight task.
A routine engine change never requires a test flight.
Diagnosis could be hours or 'next subject the B....... obvious' QEC could be a fully complete engine, only need a few simple components swapping, or a bare engine.
Could be pre tested or require power assurance runs.
A pre tested full QEC with a good crew, easy overnight task.
A routine engine change never requires a test flight.
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It flew to Goa on the Monday a day late and then to Cancun on the Tuesday and then GOMYT took me to Holguin on the Wed with a 25 min delay. Monday normally is a down day so thats how they pulled it back
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Engine changes take anywhere from about twenty minutes up to around 6-8 weeks, or longer if they decide to change the wing(s) at the same time. This time can be reduced slightly if they take the plane out of service during the change. It also makes it easier for the mechanics.
Usually 5 or 6 longish test flights will suffice, but if they've had to de-coke the carburetors then of course a few more might be necessary.
Good luck with the compensation claim, a snapped off toilet in the bedroom of an AMASADOR SUITE would certainly take the edge off my holiday.
Usually 5 or 6 longish test flights will suffice, but if they've had to de-coke the carburetors then of course a few more might be necessary.
Good luck with the compensation claim, a snapped off toilet in the bedroom of an AMASADOR SUITE would certainly take the edge off my holiday.
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Hi Lucy
You might find the "second hand" engine was more likely a "spare" engine, something that costs millions and millions to have sitting around waiting for the need to be used. Given that the aircraft returned to its main base i would suggest 24hrs would be the norm, but it depends on the nature of the failure and conments already made.
These things happen, my airline has an aircraft sitting on the ground after a bird strike, 48hrs. We'd have preferred it be ten minutes but life is never so easy. Safety always comes first.
You might find the "second hand" engine was more likely a "spare" engine, something that costs millions and millions to have sitting around waiting for the need to be used. Given that the aircraft returned to its main base i would suggest 24hrs would be the norm, but it depends on the nature of the failure and conments already made.
These things happen, my airline has an aircraft sitting on the ground after a bird strike, 48hrs. We'd have preferred it be ten minutes but life is never so easy. Safety always comes first.
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It then had an second hand, Engine Change 17/11/2012
ALL THIS IS TAKING TIME.
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The whole EU pax compo and "extraordinary circumstances" thing is a mess. Fundamentally I can see that if people are stuffed around because of things like overbooking then yes they should be looked after. Equally the airline can't write an unrealistic schedule without proper crew/eng cover and then claim "unforeseeable" technical problems when it doesn't work out.
Some relatives of mine had a long delay (7-8 hours) recently caused by the airline "changing a wheel" which the airline is claiming is "extraordinary circumstances." Honestly the airline is taking the Pxss at that one, reasonable spare provisioning and eng cover and that's a 40 minute job done every day, heck our engineers did one in a 30 minute turn around the other week a la F1 pit crew, but without the forgotten wheel nut. My point is that by claiming every little snaggette is "extraordinary" the airlines have damaged their own reputations and customer trust.
However, I'd suggest an unplanned engine change, like the originator of this thread is talking about, IS extraordinary. Engines these days do tens of thousands of hours on the wing, are amazingly reliable and cost enormous sums to have spares of hanging about. It's just not practicable to do it quickly.
Simply put, the airline put you up in a hotel room following an unforeseen and really rather unusual event. Sorry the room turned out to be a bit rubbish, but trying to find several hundred hotel rooms at no notice is a bit tricky.
Some relatives of mine had a long delay (7-8 hours) recently caused by the airline "changing a wheel" which the airline is claiming is "extraordinary circumstances." Honestly the airline is taking the Pxss at that one, reasonable spare provisioning and eng cover and that's a 40 minute job done every day, heck our engineers did one in a 30 minute turn around the other week a la F1 pit crew, but without the forgotten wheel nut. My point is that by claiming every little snaggette is "extraordinary" the airlines have damaged their own reputations and customer trust.
However, I'd suggest an unplanned engine change, like the originator of this thread is talking about, IS extraordinary. Engines these days do tens of thousands of hours on the wing, are amazingly reliable and cost enormous sums to have spares of hanging about. It's just not practicable to do it quickly.
Simply put, the airline put you up in a hotel room following an unforeseen and really rather unusual event. Sorry the room turned out to be a bit rubbish, but trying to find several hundred hotel rooms at no notice is a bit tricky.
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Yet APPARENTLY in emails from T/C, we were also given a free room upgrade to " AMASADOR SUITE ", Funny NO ONE TOLD US.
AS WAS EVERY PERSON ON TCX138 was upgraded, " before " you got to hotels, as stated by T/C. Funny thing is we never moved, & were never offered anything, & the upgrade was first STATED as done a week into holiday, then when challenged about room numbers, it was changed to BEFORE WE ARRIVED, " by virtue of compensation to GIVE SOLACE to everyone due to the flight delay "
AS WAS EVERY PERSON ON TCX138 was upgraded, " before " you got to hotels, as stated by T/C. Funny thing is we never moved, & were never offered anything, & the upgrade was first STATED as done a week into holiday, then when challenged about room numbers, it was changed to BEFORE WE ARRIVED, " by virtue of compensation to GIVE SOLACE to everyone due to the flight delay "
What, when it's at home is an Amasador Suite?
Do you mean Ambassador? 
If you want people here to take you seriously then please sort out your spelling, punctuation and grammar before your next post.
Engine changes take anywhere from about twenty minutes up to around 6-8 weeks, or longer if they decide to change the wing(s) at the same time. This time can be reduced slightly if they take the plane out of service during the change. It also makes it easier for the mechanics.
Usually 5 or 6 longish test flights will suffice, but if they've had to de-coke the carburetors then of course a few more might be necessary.
Usually 5 or 6 longish test flights will suffice, but if they've had to de-coke the carburetors then of course a few more might be necessary.
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" Engine changes take anywhere from about twenty minutes up to around 6-8 weeks, or longer if they decide to change the wing(s) at the same time. This time can be reduced slightly if they take the plane out of service during the change. It also makes it easier for the mechanics"
Sadly, there are but a couple of tiny flaws in your otherwise, well, unique perception of engineering and maintenance.
Even then, and with particular regard to changing wings, I recall one of the selling points of the Harrier was a carefully planned operation in the field, to change an engine,..which did indeed involve taking the wing off. The engine change was, seemingly, accomplished in 40 mins ! ....I stand to be corrected on this time however.
But with such a deep understanding, and indeed, unique perception of maintenance procedures, if you can demonstrate how to change any engine in 20 mins, you are about to become a very, very affluent person.
Sadly, there are but a couple of tiny flaws in your otherwise, well, unique perception of engineering and maintenance.
Even then, and with particular regard to changing wings, I recall one of the selling points of the Harrier was a carefully planned operation in the field, to change an engine,..which did indeed involve taking the wing off. The engine change was, seemingly, accomplished in 40 mins ! ....I stand to be corrected on this time however.
But with such a deep understanding, and indeed, unique perception of maintenance procedures, if you can demonstrate how to change any engine in 20 mins, you are about to become a very, very affluent person.
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