Boeing 747-8i, further orders in sight after Lufti?
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Boeing 747-8i, further orders in sight after Lufti?
Entry into service is closing in. Don't know how far Boeing is with production preparations. Only 20 aircraft ordered since launch 3 yrs ago. Little / no official updates from neither Boeing or Lufthansa.. Will Lufthansa accept a sole operator situation? Any rumors / opinions on this project?
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As Barack Obama didn't say...
You can put lipstick on a dog ... but it's still a dog.
Even Boeing doesn't believe in more orders except freighters.
Will there be ANY deliveries of the passenger a/c? Ask DLH. I doubt it.
The first 747 commercial service was nearly 40 years ago.
A good life span is still a life span. RIP 747.
Even Boeing doesn't believe in more orders except freighters.
Will there be ANY deliveries of the passenger a/c? Ask DLH. I doubt it.
The first 747 commercial service was nearly 40 years ago.
A good life span is still a life span. RIP 747.
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Dysag,
Well said !
Even with B787 engines the B747 will still be an aircraft designed to safety standards from 40 years ago with a noisy cramped cabin. None of this really matters for a freighter, but passengers deserve better.
Well said !
Even with B787 engines the B747 will still be an aircraft designed to safety standards from 40 years ago with a noisy cramped cabin. None of this really matters for a freighter, but passengers deserve better.
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and stil the best place to fly is the upper deck of a sleeper seat 744, with only 20 seats up there it's like being in a private jet.....unlike being in a business class section of a A380
the problem with being on the main deck (which on a 380 is either deck) is that there's too many people (and crew) wandering about with places to go ahead and behind you, on the upper deck, there's no one wandering anywhere....total bliss and a shame when the 744 finally exits the Oz route for the major carriers like BA, QF, SQ, CX (not including TG since they didn't have flat beds)
the problem with being on the main deck (which on a 380 is either deck) is that there's too many people (and crew) wandering about with places to go ahead and behind you, on the upper deck, there's no one wandering anywhere....total bliss and a shame when the 744 finally exits the Oz route for the major carriers like BA, QF, SQ, CX (not including TG since they didn't have flat beds)
Emirates have consistantly said they would buy a considerable number of 747-8is IF the aeroplane could take 400 pax DXB-LAX. The original, shorter aircraft would have done so. The current spec is short about 300Nm. A little bit of tweaking and it will get there.
There are a number of carriers still waiting for Boeing to 'finalise' the B747-8I. They are also watching the progress of the A380 very closely. There are 2 airlines who have ordered the A380 who may cancel their orders before the end of the year and order the B747-8I instead due to the 'shrinkage' of the market.
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You have obviously not flown on the A380 yet ? Especially on the upper deck in businness class the A380 is remarquable - very quiet and very comfortable. I am pretty sure that the standard layout for most carriers on the A380 is going to become exclusively premium classes on the upper deck - already the case for EK and QF and SQ will soon go the same way.
You have obviously not flown on the A380 yet ? Especially on the upper deck in businness class the A380 is remarquable - very quiet and very comfortable. I am pretty sure that the standard layout for most carriers on the A380 is going to become exclusively premium classes on the upper deck - already the case for EK and QF and SQ will soon go the same way.
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Will there be ANY deliveries of the passenger a/c? Ask DLH. I doubt it.
Well, I have recent emails from Lufthansa (fleet management and BOD) stating that they WILL take ALL of their 747-8I's on order.
Further, you can bet you buck the buyers of the 747-8I VIP WILL take delivery too.
To believe otherwise is being naive otherwise Boeing would not still be offering the airplane for sale.
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you can bet you buck the buyers of the 747-8I VIP WILL take delivery too
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Funds they may have, no doubt - but the only next comparable sized airplane is the A380 - so even if the 747-8I is delayed (which is inevitable due to the strike), they wont exactly have the option of going to get a substitute any sooner.
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If a VIP customer had ordered the 747-8I, firstly s/he cant buy a 747-400 new because its no longer on sale. Further, it would make no sense to buy a second hand one either as its not as fuel efficient as other newer widebodies like the 777-200LR/-300ER.
As for the A380, production is pretty much accounted for until 2014, and 747-8I EIS was originally slated for late 2010.
Neither of them are viable options if thats the size (large) airplane that they are seeking.
As for the A380, production is pretty much accounted for until 2014, and 747-8I EIS was originally slated for late 2010.
Neither of them are viable options if thats the size (large) airplane that they are seeking.
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second hand one either as its not as fuel efficient
As for the A380, you might be surprised to learn that they are available much earlier than 2014, especially if you only want one.
The delivery date of the 747-8 was a major deciding factor, if the dates cant be met, customers will look at other options!
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Would you consider this a factor in deciding on a VIP aircraft of that size?
Yes, you probably can get an A380 but I believe that after the first A380VIP is delivered in 2010, there arent any immediate positions available, although that could well change if customers change delivery dates etc.
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Perhaps you dont, but others indeed do, otherwise there would be zero orders for the 747-8I as a VIP model
Now if you find the other groups who have purchased VIP B747-8 aircraft, you can ask them what was their primary selection criteria.
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