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erbuscap 22nd Sep 2012 17:53

JetStar Japan
 
Jetstar is advertising NTR A320 Captain positions for its Japan based subsidiary.
Would anyone like to share any recent information regarding the package T&Cs?

Kampai

The Dominican 22nd Sep 2012 20:14

Base salary:captains 10,800,000 per year F/O's 6,400,000
You pay Japanese taxes on your income
Productivity pay: captains 15,000 per hour F/O's 7,500 per every hour over 50 flight hours.
One time sign in bonus: 2,000,000 captains and 1,500,000 F/O's

20 days per year for annual leave

24 days of sick leave

Loss of license is provided but taxable

Health insurance and welfare pension is the Japanese social program and it is provided.

Day off work pay 6,000 and 3,500

Layover allowances 5,000 in Japan and 4,000 outside Japan

Crew meals are not provided
Uniforms, type rating, medicals are all paid by the pilot

Commuting is provided within the JetStar network

USMCProbe 23rd Sep 2012 05:51

I looked into it a week or so ago. Paid in Yen, in Japan. Yen is at an all time high. Because it is paid in Japan, full Japanese tax liability applies, I believe. Japanese national taxes are very high and progressive. Prefecture and local taxes add up to about 10%. By my calculation the pilot would be on the hook for about 40% tax.

By my rough guess it would be 9500-12000 USD per month, for 50-70 hours. If the yen goes down off its near all time high, you can take 10-20% off of these amounts.

Probably a good job, and a well run airline. Pay is very low compared to the other Japanese contracts, and cost of living is high.

I think I will pass on this one, but for some others it might be OK.

airplanedriver 23rd Sep 2012 06:36

Also who would want to go with the JCAB ATPL ground school training for 7 months!!!??

PoppaJo 23rd Sep 2012 06:50

And how does this compare to say Peach and Airasia?

erbuscap 23rd Sep 2012 07:56

Ok, not bad, depending on the actual tax% like USMCProbe wrote. If it is 40% then it is quite low.
Skymark is offering an adjustment if the Yen gets stronger, I wonder if they do too.
Dominican, what do you mean by the day off pay? This cannot be the compensation for working on your days off (less than 90$!).

They do seem pretty well run though, now they are opening a HK based sister.

USMCProbe 23rd Sep 2012 08:47

Direct Personnel is advertising on their website. They specifically say you are responsible for Japanese tax.

They said they have an expedited JCAB course. 8-10 weeks total including type rating. You have to do their type rating whether you already have one or not and pay for it. 22k USD. Their is a signing bonus that covers most of this. But you will also pay tax on the signing bonus. At least this is the info I got from Direct..

Skidmark is paying 14K USD net of Japan tax. ANA is more, but I am not sure of Japanese taxes, and have heard conflicting things from former ANA guys that I know. Dominican???

777Efoh 23rd Sep 2012 08:51

In addition, there is a USD22,500 training fee payable by those who already have the type rating and current.

airplanedriver 23rd Sep 2012 10:45

So let me get this straight, you have to pay $22k even after having the experience on type??? Its the craziest thing i have heard!!

erbuscap 23rd Sep 2012 10:47

If thats the case, its better to be NTR. At least you get the T/R with their bonus.

USMCProbe, what are the ANA jobs you are referring to? The AJX 767 for over 3000 PIC?

the 10 weeks JCAB course is a biggie though, Skidmark or elsewhere you are looking at 24-28 weeks.
Is it possible to get by it in 10 weeks or is it just a hook, and then you get the job and you have to pay your own expenses for 6 months? The rest of the carriers provide everything for that period

PoppaJo 23rd Sep 2012 10:58

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You have to do their type rating whether you already have one or not and pay for it. 22k USD
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?? :eek:

The Dominican 23rd Sep 2012 13:02

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Dominican, what do you mean by the day off pay? This cannot be the compensation for working on your days off (less than 90$!).
I agree with you in the sense that this is very low, but I just posted what was on the spread sheet that one of their pilots sent me, I don't know what to make of it either:confused:

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the 10 weeks JCAB course is a biggie though, Skidmark or elsewhere you are looking at 24-28 weeks.
Is it possible to get by it in 10 weeks or is it just a hook, and then you get the job and you have to pay your own expenses for 6 months? The rest of the carriers provide everything for that period
I don't mean to contradict USMCprobe in any way shape or form, mind you that I DO NOT work at Jet Star Japan and the information that I have gotten is from guys who were here and now are working there, but I have never heard of such a thing as a 10 weeks course and all of those guys went through the normal training cycle:ugh: if you are interested in this particular gig, you need to clarify this issue.
On regards to the comment about the 7 months of training.....! That is the training length here in Japan, they pay you your entire salary from day one and give you plenty of time off during training to enjoy Tokyo's night life, you are not going to change it nor convince them otherwise, if you can't hack it, then don't apply.
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Skidmark is paying 14K USD net of Japan tax. ANA is more, but I am not sure of Japanese taxes, and have heard conflicting things from former ANA guys that I know. Dominican???
Two different job conditions here, SKY is a resident job, you will have a resident card issued to you thus having tax liability in Japan, the company will pay your Japanese taxes and you will get the documentation to use against your tax liability in the US ( this is just in the case of US citizens I'm talking about, the rest of you don't have a greedy uncle as we do) in the case of AJX is a commuting job only, so no residence in Japan nor tax liability in the country.


PS: just wanted to clarify that I'm not saying the information about the 10 weeks expedited training is incorrect, just to verify it since I've never heard of such a thing. The pay for this gig is low as compared with other jobs here in Japan, but not far from what JetStar is paying in other subsidiaries. The information that I got from the pay package at Peach is that it is not too far from this T&C's, it seems they are trying to aligned the pay structure with what is beeing paid in other LLC's, don't know how this will work for them since the cost of living is quite high in Japan, if I'm going to make the same salary at Air Asia for example, then Kuala Lumpur would grant a better choice than Tokyo in cost of living:rolleyes: if they will take this into consideration eventually depends on the amount of applications they get, I don't really see JCAB rated guys making a line for this gig, as a matter of fact I only know of two guys that quit here to go there (Japanese contract pilots that didn't want to fly freight and wanted to fly domestically) and two western guys that I know are there, but I'm not getting into their reasons as to why they went there, everyone has to find their own nirvana and guys make the argument that an A320 type with time of the airframe gives you a better job prospectively than 767 time....! Everybody has their reasoning as to why they do things. But still this offer is quite low, if they want significant numbers they need to either sweeten the pot, or open this offer to non type rated pilots with no time in any mid size A/C (IE regional guys) if they want to get people to apply.

USMCProbe 23rd Sep 2012 15:46

The info I got was from Direct Personnel. I am am not in the process as I decided not to apply. The money was too low for me. For others, especially NTR, they might think otherwise.

As far as the JCAB course being shorter, again that came from the contract agency. And all pilots have to do, and pay for, the type rating, even if they already have one. This is the same at ANA, and I believe Skymark as well. Not sure on Skymark.

I will try to cut and paste some info on my next post.

USMCProbe 23rd Sep 2012 16:02

Training Training Period is anticipated to be about 8-10 weeks. Annual Base Salary only to be paid for this period. Training Costs for all pilots, regardless of experience will be USD22,500 which can be paid upfront by you or through your bonuses or monthly salaries. Jetstar will provide detailed options. Training will include 1 week of ground school in preparation for Japanese Air Law exams, company Ground School and simulator training.


The above was cut and pasted from the contract brief.

I don't know what the Japanese civil authority allows, or what "deal" they made with Jetstar. Just passing on the info I got when I looked into this contract last week. Since no one has actually done it yet, maybe it has not been officially approved and it is just a "carrot" to get you to bite.

Also, from what I read on the contract and Japanese tax law, it can be very expensive to quit this contract. There is an annual bonus paid at the end of each year (target for this is 10 percent of pay). If you quit before the end of the NEXT year, you have to pay this back. And it gets worse. The prefecture and city tax is 10 percent. If you work 1 day into the next year or more, you owe this tax, FOR THE WHOLE YEAR going forward, based on what you made the previous year. Quitting early in the year can be very expensive.

Some may jump on this, but I won't be one of them. Maybe an OK deal for NTR.

The Dominican 23rd Sep 2012 17:06

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As far as the JCAB course being shorter, again that came from the contract agency. And all pilots have to do, and pay for, the type rating, even if they already have one. This is the same at ANA, and I believe Skymark as well. Not sure on Skymark.

I will try to cut and paste some info on my next post.
Interesting intel, thanks for sharing the info being provided by the agency, I'll try to verify the training length from somebody that is in class now, it will be interesting to see if indeed there is such a short course being approved by the JCAB.

On regards of the type rating, neither AJX (the ANA contract) nor SKY make the applicants pay for their types, it is covered by the company

galdian 24th Sep 2012 00:11

Regards short courses as always be aware the agency only wants your signature on the bottom line so they can own you...and will tell you virtually anything to achieve this.

For interest SKY just lost 2 guys who walked out - returnees who I believe had it WRITTEN IN THEIR CONTRACT they would be done and dusted in 3 months, 3 months came...and they departed.
Now whether they may consider a third coming........??

As with most things in Nihongo-land maybe a great idea and pursued with the best intentions by a minority - however the greater mindset and bureaucratic institutions are not on the same wavelength.
Hell - too often they're not even on the same PLANET! :ugh:

No probs - give it another couple of generations and things will (probably/possibly, take your pick) start to change....

maybe yes...maybe no...maybe maybe:p

The Dominican 24th Sep 2012 00:49

Just had a chat with a couple of the guys there and this is what they said, they will send some material for you to study before the training begins, the 10 weeks they are talking about is only until the simulator check ride and in some cases this is taking longer due to scheduling of the rides with the JCAB, then line training is taking another two months, again depending on the availability of JCAB checkers. So about 4 months provided everything works your way in terms of the scheduling of the check rides and availability of checkers. For Japan I am quite impressed, I was surprised that it was actually that fast:D

galdian 24th Sep 2012 01:07

Dominican

Applaud your optimism - time will tell however if anyone slips through in anything less than 6 months.

Standing by to be pleasantly surprised!

....maybe.

USMCProbe 24th Sep 2012 05:15

Dominican:
Sorry I misspoke. I do know that ANA and Skidmark make you DO a type rating, but NOT pay for them. I wrote that you have to pay for them.

Hope the 8-10 weeks works out for those who go there. I don't know enough about JCAB to comment.

On a positive note this is another Japanese contract that gives lots of time off. I wish the money was a bit better, or at least less "risk". Paid in USD, and paid for a 70 hour guarantee and I might have went for it.

Good luck to those that try.

parahawk 24th Sep 2012 05:28

so what you are saying is that training is 10 weeks long? Are you paid during this time? I am looking into options as it does not look like anything is working out in the good ole USA. I am a regional pilot about ready to be raped by my companies bankruptcy and losing aircraft. I applied in the desert but have not heard anything. One of my coworkers is talking up Sky-737's in japan with a commuting contract. he said its $14k a month. Where Do i find that?


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