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In the first place, KAL should have never taken in non qualified, non type rated pilots. In industrial practice, it is not justified as if the company is short of pilots, they must only recruited type rated pilots with at least a few years of experience. No right minded Korean should stand for this wanton practice of hiring non rated guys on the cheap and give them " free " endorsesment and OE training at the expense of national pilots.
This practice of non rated pilots buying a cheap type rating at some pilot mills and then hopping onto the big league is abhorrent...it is a kind of paying/ buying to fly in a different guise. I won't be surprised that KAL will start the practice now prevalent in Indonesis (Lion Air, Malindo, etc ) where you pay to fly...the good days in the land of morning calm may soon be over.
This practice of non rated pilots buying a cheap type rating at some pilot mills and then hopping onto the big league is abhorrent...it is a kind of paying/ buying to fly in a different guise. I won't be surprised that KAL will start the practice now prevalent in Indonesis (Lion Air, Malindo, etc ) where you pay to fly...the good days in the land of morning calm may soon be over.
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I don't have a dog on this fight, I don't work for KAL but.......!
First of all, people are getting these type ratings at Boeing, not some puppy mill as you refer to it, second, about hopping into the big leagues, I know several pilots that have gone to KAL, these are very experienced pilots with thousands of hours of heavy jet PIC times and these guys have experience as check airmen/ instructors, these are NOT in any way, shape or form, P2F scheme guys. I think that we have a very short memory here, the reason why KAL started hiring expats in the first place, was because they were having crashes left and right for a few years there. Many companies now are hiring non rated pilots, not just KAL, and the practice will increase as the market for experienced pilots get tighter, your observations are moronic at best
First of all, people are getting these type ratings at Boeing, not some puppy mill as you refer to it, second, about hopping into the big leagues, I know several pilots that have gone to KAL, these are very experienced pilots with thousands of hours of heavy jet PIC times and these guys have experience as check airmen/ instructors, these are NOT in any way, shape or form, P2F scheme guys. I think that we have a very short memory here, the reason why KAL started hiring expats in the first place, was because they were having crashes left and right for a few years there. Many companies now are hiring non rated pilots, not just KAL, and the practice will increase as the market for experienced pilots get tighter, your observations are moronic at best
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[quoteI don't have a dog on this fight, I don't work for KAL but.......!][/quote]
But......you have buddies who are adventurers who hope to make a killing in the Far East at the expense of locals.
With the very much devalued greenback, KAL reckons it is cheaper to hire cheap dodgy expats. They don't have to pay things like 6 monthly bonuses, medical coverage, holiday/vacation entitlements, insurance and education fees like they would need for the locals. Overall, a local pilot costs more.
Akali has a good point; only cockeyed expat adventurers refuse to see it. If this happen in a first world country, the unions would go amok.
But......you have buddies who are adventurers who hope to make a killing in the Far East at the expense of locals.
With the very much devalued greenback, KAL reckons it is cheaper to hire cheap dodgy expats. They don't have to pay things like 6 monthly bonuses, medical coverage, holiday/vacation entitlements, insurance and education fees like they would need for the locals. Overall, a local pilot costs more.
Akali has a good point; only cockeyed expat adventurers refuse to see it. If this happen in a first world country, the unions would go amok.
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Oh, you mean first world countries where the main line carriers won't be allowed by the all mighty unions to farm out over 57% of the domestic feed to cheaper labor at the regional carriers? 
Thanks for the laugh!
Thanks for the laugh!
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What warped logic...domestic regional carriers taking over unprofitable legacy carrier routes are a different kettle of fish. They are not foreigners taking over local jobs; compare apples to apples, not grapefruits to pears! 
I work for a GCC airline that has perhaps thirty Koreans flying for us, all of them left KAL and Asiana because of how their own people treated them. Most of the ones I have flown with have told me some real horror stories of what they had to go through and having to leave home to get a job which treated them with more dignity.
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What warped logic...domestic regional carriers taking over unprofitable legacy carrier routes are a different kettle of fish. They are not foreigners taking over local jobs; compare apples to apples, not grapefruits to pears!
That is the problem when people speak without knowing what they are talking about, you and your friend talking about unqualified people out of puppy mills when in fact, they needed to bring people from the training department at Delta and other places to look into the cultural issues that were causing them to crash several airplanes and almost lose the rights to fly into Europe and the US, educate yourself before you make silly statements about "first world countries and unions"
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Dominican. You are right and in the point. Some of these fools writing crap here don't know the facts. The koreans were destroying their own airline and as you and others rightfully say were forced to bring guys from Boeing and Delta in the brink of losing rights to fly to Europe and America. Most asian pilots don't like to fly. They take the job because of the paid training and job security. It is a known fact that they do not produce enough pilots to supply the demand. Other airlines in Asia bring non typed pilots and even provide the type at their own expense in exchange for a training bond. We have other examples in Japan, Taiwan and China. The koreans just save themselves the money by making the expats that they need to pay for their type. Then just provide a quick cheaper re-qualification training and if you are not perfect in everything send you home like in my case. If they were getting enough people with the type they would not bother. I myself got my type at Boeing in Seattle. Maybe some of these clowns writing bs here can recommend a better place. And yes, as stated, several korean pilots have left Kal and more on the way because they can no longer handle the stress. It is as bad at least during training to miss a callout as to boost an altitude. It's ridiculous.
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Never applied to Korean, but three close acquaintances from UAE airlines got the "I'm outta here" syndrome, and left for greener Korean pastures...all returned within a 3 year time frame with horror stories...
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cediazf, do talk to some very old timers in KAL who may still be around. The guys who were there in 1998/99. They may be able to give you some pointers as to how to get those miscreants in the Training dept to eat their humble pie.
During the end of 98/99, some expats were secretly able to get some new recruits to get the agencies to apply maximum pressure on KAL training department...it was a sly, underhand tactic but it worked and a few Canucks and Malaysians were saved from being culled.
During the end of 98/99, some expats were secretly able to get some new recruits to get the agencies to apply maximum pressure on KAL training department...it was a sly, underhand tactic but it worked and a few Canucks and Malaysians were saved from being culled.
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cediazf..
Thanks for taking the time to inform your colleagues. To those negative comments regarding cdfz's post, I just don't get it...
I was required to attend screening in April, but turned it down due to personal reasons.
I had read and being told of gambling careers when training with KAL.
I just did a line check with the Check Capt who was also being checked by DOA. Requested a Holding pattern due to abrupt unforecasted weather and RWY changes.
Both very experienced Checkers agreed with my decision. I would have done the same as you did.
I don't think I will be going to South Korea.
Thank you once again cediazf. With your type of character and care, I am sure you will find something much better. I wish you all the very best in your future.
mj.
Thanks for taking the time to inform your colleagues. To those negative comments regarding cdfz's post, I just don't get it...
I was required to attend screening in April, but turned it down due to personal reasons.
I had read and being told of gambling careers when training with KAL.
I just did a line check with the Check Capt who was also being checked by DOA. Requested a Holding pattern due to abrupt unforecasted weather and RWY changes.
Both very experienced Checkers agreed with my decision. I would have done the same as you did.
I don't think I will be going to South Korea.
Thank you once again cediazf. With your type of character and care, I am sure you will find something much better. I wish you all the very best in your future.
mj.
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Thanks for taking the time to inform your colleagues. To those negative comments regarding cdfz's post, I just don't get it...
I was required to attend screening in April, but turned it down due to personal reasons.
I had read and being told of gambling careers when training with KAL.
I just did a line check with the Check Capt who was also being checked by DOA. Requested a Holding pattern due to abrupt unforecasted weather and RWY changes.
Both very experienced Checkers agreed with my decision. I would have done the same as you did.
I don't think I will be going to South Korea.
Thank you once again cediazf. With your type of character and care, I am sure you will find something much better. I wish you all the very best in your future.
I was required to attend screening in April, but turned it down due to personal reasons.
I had read and being told of gambling careers when training with KAL.
I just did a line check with the Check Capt who was also being checked by DOA. Requested a Holding pattern due to abrupt unforecasted weather and RWY changes.
Both very experienced Checkers agreed with my decision. I would have done the same as you did.
I don't think I will be going to South Korea.
Thank you once again cediazf. With your type of character and care, I am sure you will find something much better. I wish you all the very best in your future.
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Frenk, I heard some strange story about some kind of anonymous letter circulated to some then Malaysian applicants which spooked some agencies to reluctantly spring into action demanding that KAL nail those miscreants in the training division. Seemed that the Malaysians were all failed in the pre-employment checks but because of that letter, KAL came under some pressure from the agencies to recall the applicants for rechecks which they subsequently passed. I thought it was just some fairy tale knowing how hard nosed the Koreans can be!
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Frenk Borman, care to share the details? I heard that the 1999/2000 recruitment period was really a confusing time and the recruitment agencies were just stabbing in the dark. Apparently some good came out of the mess then!
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I WILL CALL KAL , THE COLISEUM
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