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Old 24th Sep 2012, 08:36   #21 (permalink)
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 11:30   #22 (permalink)
 
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so what you are saying is that training is 10 weeks long? Are you paid during this time?
First of all, sorry about your furlough dude, I hope you find a nice soft grass field to make a three point landing on

Guys don't come here thinking that from day one you will be on the line and certified in two, two and a half months because you will be disappointed, that is only the training period until your sim ride, it DOES NOT include OJT (Aka= IOE as it is known back in the US) once you start dealing with head hunting agencies, you will realize that there are very few of them that will give you the facts straight and true, from day one until line certification is 4 to 5 months and this is with no problems with the scheduling of the JCAB rides, best case scenario. And yes, you will be paid during training, according to the guys I know that work there, it is your entire base salary from day one but there are a couple of allowances that won't be paid until you get on the line.
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On a positive note this is another Japanese contract that gives lots of time off. I wish the money was a bit better, or at least less "risk". Paid in USD, and paid for a 70 hour guarantee and I might have went for it.

Good luck to those that try.
I know, the money end is not that impressive the guys are flying a LOT, they said that they are very short on captains and being ask to fly on their days off, rosters are over 90 hours a month right now. That might actually be a good thing in the long run, they might have no other choice but to sweeten the pot, depending on how many qualified applicants they get.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 11:53   #23 (permalink)
 
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Great info, thank you all.

The only thing I am wondering is, who would anyone pay 22,500 USD for a type rating that you already have? And if you don't have it (which doesn't seem to make a difference) why would you go for the only company in Japan which doesn't pay for it?

I'm just asking because maybe there is something more that I am missing...?

Again thanks everybody, and as usual muchas gracias to The Dominican for the very good information.

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Old 24th Sep 2012, 11:55   #24 (permalink)
 
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Are they also looking for experienced FOs? Or just Capts!
What is aprox. cost of living?
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Old 25th Sep 2012, 11:47   #25 (permalink)
 
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I'd be surprised if Jetstar can finish you in less than 5 months. If they can - great!

Skymark training right now is 7-8 months from day one to finishing the JCAB Route Check.

Jetstar gives you a 2 million yen sign on bonus that is used to pay for adding the Airbus type to your JCAB license. If you complete 24 months, you'll get the money back.

I'd worry more about the failure rates in Japan. Either not making it past the medical check or the JCAB sim check, eval checks or route checks.
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Dom makes very good - and fair - points, as do others.

Th reality: in the last month in SKY at least 3 gaijin initial Captains have failed JCAB...and (after much soulsearching...maybe yes, maybe no...by SKY management) their contract terminated: EOFS.

$150,000 USD or more of money simply written off - money doesn't matter in Japan....until you're fired by a broke JAL!

JCAB are aware of the impact the flood of "old, esteemed JAL Captains" into ALL companies in Japan, their guarded comment..."yes all companies are having many changes".

Politics and games aplenty in Nihongoland.

Anyone who contemplates simply rolling up and being "rubber stamped" through the process because of hours in command etc should realise your hours mean f**k all...they are not Japanese hours therefore mean nothing.

All interesting to say the least!
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Old 12th Oct 2012, 11:16   #27 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the info provided by all. I've had a look at the T&Cs on Direct Personnel's website and it mentions a commuting allowance. I have no problem with the residency requirements but would be interested if anyone knows what the commuting conditions and rosters are like?

Likewise, does anyone know what the accommodation allowance (which is also on DP's website) provides? Or is that already rolled into the numbers that USMCProbe had above?

Thanks very much!
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Old 17th Oct 2012, 07:39   #28 (permalink)
 
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I notice on Jetstars website the requirements for FOs has changed. No requirement for jet time now (although it would obviously help)


First Officer Positions
  1. Minimum 1,500 hours on fixed wing aircraft (Preference will be given to applicants who have jet airline aircraft experience)
  2. Minimum EFIS 500hours
  3. 500 hours PIC or First Officer on multi-engine aircraft
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Would I have a chance of getting in with 1200 hours 900 737NG no JCAB ATPL or licenses/medical etc or as usual is thi s1500 hour requirement set in stone...?
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Old 22nd Oct 2012, 07:16   #30 (permalink)
 
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I don't know the answer to that Boeing Europe. All I know is Jetstar Japan have another 20 A320 arriving over the next 2 years. I guess they will have to be pragmatic and start looking at people with Jet time but with no legal right to work in Japan, or turbo-prop guys/girls with no jet time who have the legal right to work in japan (me).Goodluck to whoever gets in and it would be nice to hear how its going.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 09:54   #31 (permalink)
 
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I just saw the requirements for captains have gone down on Flight Global... It is now 4000 TT, 3000 Jet, 500 PIC.
I wonder if they are struggling to find people..?

Is the package not excellent then as someone was saying? Maybe if you are not a commuter then there is a lot of tax to pay and the money goes down quite a bit as someone pointed out in another thread...
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 12:48   #32 (permalink)
 
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Maybe if you are not a commuter then there is a lot of tax to pay and the money goes down quite a bit as someone pointed out in another thread...
From what the guys I know that work there tell me is that regardless of the fact that you choose to commute or not, your immigration status in Japan is the same since you will have a resident card issued, so you will be paying Japanese taxes doesn't matter what you choose to do on your days off.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 14:12   #33 (permalink)
 
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The going rate for A320 contracts in China (6 weeks on 2 Off) is now over $18,000 per month, after tax, over 3 years.

Jetstar paying these low wages in a high cost country like Japan will just struggle to attract experience, and struggle with quality to get through the JCAB process.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 16:00   #34 (permalink)
 
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Thanks The Dominican, well that explains even better why the requirements went down then.

And just as a rough estimate, if you were to be resident in Japan with the Air Japan contract (say you had the right to live and work there independently from the company), would the money after tax be similar to Jetstar or would it be much more anyway?

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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 16:26   #35 (permalink)
 
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Well, I just wanted to make clear that the AJX contract is a commuting contract only and they will NOT sponsor you for a resident card. Haven said that, there are a couple of guys that have married Japanese girls and have gotten their residence that way, the overall contract will be more even paying the taxes, base salary is about 20% more and that will be more or less your final tax liability (depending on marital status, how many kids, if those kids are born in Japan) but JetStar has no other allowances except for perdiem, there is no housing allowance, no travel allowance, they don't pay for your uniforms, daily transport back and forth to work, not sure if they pay for medicals or not?? I think they do not. Another situation that is not monetary per say, but if you decide to commute is only on the JetStar system, if you commute from a place where JetStar doesn't fly, then you must cover the remaining sector.
JetStar Japan T&C'S are not different from their conditions at other JetStar bases, the difference is the cost of living in Japan and that makes it a very unattractive gig, in that case it would be a lot better to be based in Vietnam for example, your salary will go a LOT further there.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 17:18   #36 (permalink)
 
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Very clear thank you.
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Old 23rd Oct 2012, 18:25   #37 (permalink)
 
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Jetstar has their own low cost agenda. Their pay has usually been less than other local carriers, including in Saigon. They usually hire CPL FO's, and then upgrade. Tiger same same. Mostly Commonwealthers, heavy on Aussies, as that is their roots.

Works for them, but maybe JCAB won't put up with it. I don't work in Japan so I don't have any idea yay or nay. Most countries won't allow foreigners to come in and undercut or displace local employees. It will be interesting to see if Japan will.

Could be a wet dream by Jetstar management and it won't work out. I hear there is a lot of this going around in aviation.........
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Old 1st Nov 2012, 11:51   #38 (permalink)
 
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Jetstar Japan

I just completed and was offered a position at Jetstar Japan and for those so called experts that are giving off the wall information that is completely wrong, why is that? If you don't have personal experience with a particular company, why would you make false statements? Oh, and I spent 17 years flying in Japan so before you start with the slams.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 04:04   #39 (permalink)
 
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Hello gents, an update from some of the guys at JS, Japan

50 hour credit at a base pay of 900,000 every hour over that is paid at 15,000 they are flying a LOT close to 100 hours a month. There is an annual bonus, one of them got 300,000, he is not sure how much it will be from year to year. Their schedules are like this, there are two roster patterns with one sign in at 5AM until 3PM and the other is sign in at 12 noon and finish at 11 PM. There is a sign in bonus of 2,000,000 but you pay for your type. Commuting is Y class (coach) not C class as it was rumored , or you can take the 40,000 and commute with ZED tickets. The company DOES NOT pay for you Japanese taxes and they are deducted from your salary. lots of problems scheduling rides with the JCAB as they were short on Inspectors without adding Peach, Air Asia and JetStar into the mix so training is dragging on. 4 sector days with no meals offered to the crews, so you need to either bring your own food or airport food between flights, quick turnarounds all day doing W&B yourself (graph format, not a whizz wheel ) there is no pay protection on relation to the USD either, with the economy in the US on the upswing there is a real possibility that the yen will lose strength against the dollar, that is a big issue in my view. 2 year bond for training, you will start to get the money back after that.
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Appreciate the update. It's unfortunate that the scheduling seems to be on par with a US regional though.

Any idea what the FO salary is, and what Japanese taxes are like?
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