Renewal of an Indian CPL.

[thearsenal]

Hey guys, so my CPL is lapsing in under a year, I wanted to know what the procedure is for renewal of the license, I've tried the DGCA web site but they talk about renewals only after your license has lapsed and I've not been employed so if anybody has any information regarding this it would be greatly appreciated, also my license has the BE-76 endorsed on it and that airplane is no longer recognized by the DGCA so if any one knows what has to be done regarding that it would be of great help. Thanks in advance.

[Cactus225]

Just leaf through the last couple of pages in it. It has guidelines for renewal right on it.

BE-76 rating or any flying requirement could be advised by the more experienced ppl here.

You could also consider a TR.
That would renew your license right away.

[born4flying]

@Cactus225

Can you elaborate on the "do type and your license will be renewed"
Do you mean renewal of IR? Coz even my license is expiring next year and I am planning on doing Type.

[thearsenal]

@cactus225

could you post the document you are talking about i would be really grateful.

[Cactus225]

@ bornflier,

I am saying that any Type rating would result in an automatic renewal of the CPL.

You spend 15 hours flying a BE 76- costs about 4 lacs,

better spend a bit more and get a TR right? atleast increases your chances at landing a job.

@ thearsenal,

Have you even tried reading the last page of your CPL yet?
Its right there.

[Check Airman]

Why buy a TR when it's useless with no time on the type?

I've lost count of the number of people I know who've paid for their type ratings and have nothing to show for it.

[born4flying]

@cactus225

But doing your type rating doesnt equal to renewal of CPL, right?
I dont think the hours you do in your type rating can be counted towards renewal requirement for CPL, whereas the ones done for Multi are...

[Cactus225]

TR counts towards CPL renewal.

My B737 rated friends atleast had 3 interviews in the last 7 months..
how many did we have?

[born4flying]

@cactus225

Are you seriously suggesting someone spend 15 lacs on a type to get a CPL RENEWED?
As far as i understand, This thread was started to know what the procedure/requirement for CPL renewal is. So lets stay on topic. Why not just do the required number of hours to renew it ? whats the harm in doing that?

And Who queried as to how many interviews your "friends" had in the last 7 months??! Maybe the person doesnt want to spend money on type right now. I sure dont want to, just to get my CPL renewed.

FOR EVERYONE ELSE:

thearsenal

Hey guys, so my CPL is lapsing in under a year, I wanted to know what the procedure is for renewal of the license, I've tried the DGCA web site but they talk about renewals only after your license has lapsed and I've not been employed so if anybody has any information regarding this it would be greatly appreciated

Can someone please share what is the flying hours requirement for CPL renewal?

[born4flying]

@arsenal

my license has the BE-76 endorsed on it and that airplane is no longer recognized by the DGCA so if any one knows what has to be done regarding that it would be of great help.

As far as I know, once DGCA stopped recognizing Duchess, people who came back with Duchess rating couldnt get it endorsed it on their license.
So , I would go out on a limb here and say that
You wont be able to renew that rating on your license as long as its not recognized. You'll either have to get another multi endorsement if you want, or get a renewed CPL without ME.
It sucks, i know.
But please confirm what i have said with the DGCA.

[Cactus225]

@ born4flying, arsenal..

what are you.. idiots?

I told you, your CPL already has instructions in it.
Would you just bother yourselves to open your licenses lying in the dust?

Leaf through to the LAST PAGE.
It has precise instructions along with the relevant clauses about renewing your licenses.



@ born4flying.. THIS ISNT SPOON FEED YOUR PILOT BABY.com

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
AND SINCE YOU HAVE PROVED YOU CANT, YOU ASK FOR ADVISE WHICH I GLADLY OFFER..
FORGIVE ME FOR OFFERING YOU A WAY TO IMPROVE YOUR POSITION IS THIS GODFORSAKEN JOB MARKET.
JUST SPEND ANOTHER 5 LACS ON A REGULAR RENEWAL AND MAINTAIN YOUR WORTHLESS STANDING IN THIS MARKET..

PLEASE.. THATS ONE LESS FOOL TO COMPETE WITH..

God knows why an operator would ever bother to employ a pilot who doesnt even know how to renew his license.

Best Luck



@ born4flying... absolute idiot.

What a fool. LOL..

As far as I know, once DGCA stopped recognizing Duchess, people who came back with Duchess rating couldnt get it endorsed it on their license.
So , I would go out on a limb here and say that
You wont be able to renew that rating on your license as long as its not recognized.

Dont bother scratching your worthless head for others Mr.

And pleeaasseeee dont

go out on a limb

you are bound to lose it.

He is asking for a renewal, not a new endorsement. So, the DGCA will allow it.
Whether he can find a BE 76 for the flight hours, thats a diff game altogether.


Born for flying huh.. thats a life wasted if you continue the way you are going.
I dont see much of an aviator in your comments. So aviation apart.. heres some advise for you

WHATEVER YOU DO..
NEVER..
NEVER EVER..
EVEN SLIGHTLY MOCK SOMEONE WHO TRIES TO HELP YOU.



BTW A TR RESULTS IN A RENEWAL OF LICENSE.

If you have even an iota of real passion about aviation in you.. research a bit.

Type ratings start at 3 lacs only..

So is it still a bad idea bubba?


Call me crazy.. but common sense makes me understand economics..

[born4flying]

@ born4flying, arsenal..

what are you.. idiots?
blah blah blah
...understand economics..

I wont be steeping to your low level and wont be starting a **** storm of abuses and insults here.

NEVER EVER EVEN SLIGHTLY MOCK SOMEONE WHO TRIES TO HELP YOU

But I would say that I PITY YOU, my friend , because all your frustration of not getting a job (or whatever it is ) is pretty evident here. (and no one is mocking you buddy. My post was far more sublime than all that you have posted up here)

And if you are trying to help,
Why not just write down the hours requirement here. It takes up too much time of yours to write? Seeing the above post, i dont think so
Then just dont comment on this section (No one is asking YOU to spoon feed anyone)

And dont call the thread creator an idiot. AS a wise man once said "Its better to ask and be seen a fool, then not to and be one "
But if you dont understand this, i wouldnt be surprised

[Cactus225]

I didnt call the thread starter an idiot dude. I called you one.

Arsenals not the one asking the silly questions. You are.
Give out as much gyan as you might. Its wasted here.

But shoot me if that wasnt mocking.

Heck ya.. I wasnt trying to be sublime about my post. So darn right it was abusive.. thats the way I intended it to be.

PITY ME all you want dude.. pity dont hurt..
I dont care for your views about me.

As for my evident frustration bro- its you too. It is you and the likes of you who frustrate me. I have never ever written a single abusive post on pprune.. but you make me want to.

ALL I WAS TRYING WAS TO HELP GUYS HERE BETTER POSITION THEMSELVES IN THE MARKET.
Dont you dare mock for that fella..
AND DONT FORGET TO SHOOT ME IF MY OPINION DOESNT MAKE SENSE AT THAT.

I got three messages in the last two hours asking me explain my views. I did help them. Cause I dont demand respect, just common courtesy..
I didnt just tell them about the TR, I also told them about the vacancies related to those TRs.

Sure I might have been a bit too direct in my words to you and yes I am sorry I doubted your aviation skills- I am no judge of that.

I apologize when I admit my mistake- not go around trying to drill my point further.

And if you are trying to help,
Why not just write down the hours requirement here. It takes up too much time of yours to write? Seeing the above post, I dont think so

Why the heck should I? Cant you do it yourselves? talk about being lazy...
Couldnt you have opened your license and seen the rules for yourselves instead of the silly rebuke? Or is your time too precious huh?

FYI- back when there was that severe pilot shortage in 2007, back when airlines used to advertise for 20 positions and 10 used to turn up and all got selected...
They only ever asked one question for the interviews.. "How do you renew your license?"

And now if you cant answer that...

[thearsenal]

@cactus

[QUOTE]I didnt call the thread starter an idiot dude. I called you one./QUOTE]

[QUOTE] @ born4flying, arsenal..

what are you.. idiots?/QUOTE]


Well evidently you did, as far as my knowledge of the english language goes, mentioning the letter 's' at the end of idiot makes it plural, hence referring to more than one person, and also you mentioned arsenal, which really makes my previous point redundant.

Anyways, I'm not here to get into arguments, i created this thread for a reason, and I appreciate your help, I never thought of looking at the back of the CPL. That was helpful.

I am not interested in doing a type rating it's not worth it, but that was an interesting fact to know.

These questions are being asked, not out of sheer laziness, but in the hope that some one in my same situation may have already renewed their license. I have gone through hell and back with the DGCA the first time around, I've called them innumerable times, but to no avail. So I will continue asking questions on the forum, and if you would like to answer in a derogatory manner, then don't.

@Everybody

Now I know what I have to do to renew my CPL. It says 10 hours and a day, night check, is that supposed to be done per aircraft or will 10 hours on a multi and a day, night check on the multi and single get my license current for both?

In my case the BE-76 is de recognized so do I just fly 10 hours on a new multi as that in the minimum amount of hours to get a multi endorsed on the license?

[hawaijahaj]

I suppose the 10 hours can be done on any plane......the GFT day , night and IR are plane specific......

[born4flying]

@arsenal

Its no point arguing with some people buddy. Let it go.
Anyway,

Code:

It says 10 hours and a day, night check

Are you sure about 10 hours? Coz i read 10 hours in the Bare Acts, but then someone mentioned 20 hours somewhere else. Its a case of which one is the latest rule, i guess.

Regarding the multi, before deciding to fly on any other multi, do get in touch with some flying clubs here, in india to get a idea of the rule (off the top of my head, Bhopal/Indore had a multi, Bombay Flying Club had it but hasnt started ops , last i heard and also one more flying club in south india)

[Cactus225]

Phuleaz...

@ thearsenal- I noticed your latest comment right away but I was busy around the airport at the time..

All my words were meant towards the other guy, you just got caught in between. Sorry about that..
( I even apologized to the other guy.. but we dont care..)

You guys have to admit that I am the only one who ever provided the solution to your queries though.. else you were still stuck with the basics.
Can we have truce just for the sake of that? I'd like that..

Well you do know how to renew the CPL now..

hawaijahaj is right- 10 hours on any aircraft. even a single would do.

day / night IR check on specific aircraft.


no worries if you disregard my opinion about TR.. your call.

Food for thought.. how much do you think would you spend for the renewal?
And where does that lead you?

[DeanWinchester]

To Summarize and make it easier to understand

hey guys... for renewal of the CPL, this is what I think are the requirements.

The DGCA website states

having satisfactorily completed not less than ten hours of flight time as Pilot-in-Command (Fifty percent of flight time as Co-Pilot may be counted towards the requirement of flight time as Pilot-in-Command) within a period of six months immediately preceding the date of application for renewal; or in lieu thereof, having satisfactorily completed the general flying test by day and night as laid down in clause (h) of paragraph 1 within the same period;

So it says, 10 hours of flight time in the last 6 months... OR IN LIEU THEREOF a GFT by DAY and NIGHT.

Taking example of a Guy with C152 & PA34

Now According to me, just for the Renewal of the CPL one would need 10 hours on any aircraft.

Now to renew your Multi Engine Rating, You would need a GFT by DAY & NIGHT on the Multi.

To renew your IR, a IR CHECK each on the Aircrafts you would like the IR on.(i.e. Single & Multi)

Therefore to Summarize (Taking example of a Guy with C152 & PA34 & IR on Both)

For renewal of CPL


01 Hour FAM (DUAL)
07 Hours Solo - C152 (PIC)
= 08 Hours

For Renewal of Multi Engine Rating

01 Hour FAM (DUAL)
01 hour GFT DAY, NIGHT & IR Each on PA34 (PIC u/S)
= 04 Hours

7 (152) + 3 (PA34) = 10 Hours PIC

Therefore 12 hours of flight time required.

The GFT's would have to be done in INDIA as per the new rules of conversion.
This escalates the Costs too much.

Rates for the Multi right now are varying around Rs. 42000/hr + tax @ Chimes.

Also remember, a Valid FRTOL & Medical is required before start of any of the above flights.

Total cost should be around 2 Lacs ± 10%.

[nishantgupta2009]

abt renewal wid type

hello everyone i have type rating and my cpl is expiring in a year, what is the procedure to renew wid rating.

[capt_alpha]

CPL/IR Renewal

I did my type in early 2012 and my IR is about too expire soon. Also my CPL is about to expire in mid 2013.

Following are the requirements according to Schedule II Section J for Renewal:-

1. Requirements for issue of Licence— An applicant for a Commercial Pilot’s Licence shall satisfy the following requirements:—

(h) Skill— He shall have demonstrated his competency to perform the procedures and manoeuvres prescribed in the syllabus to the satisfaction of an examiner, on the type of aeroplane to which the application for licence relates, within a period of six months immediately preceding the date of application. The Director General may, however, allow Skill Test or part thereof to be carried out on aircraft/ approved Zero Flight Time Training simulator level ‘D’ for the type of aircraft. The competency shall be demonstrated as in —

(i) general flying test by day;

(ii) general flying test by night;

(iii) a cross-country flight test by day consisting of a flight of not less than two hundred fifty nautical miles in the course of which at least one full stop landing at an aerodrome other than the aerodrome of departure shall be made; and

(iv) a cross-country flying test by night consisting of a flight of not less than one hundred twenty nautical miles returning to the place of departure without landing elsewhere.

3. Renewal— The licence may be renewed on receipt of satisfactory evidence of the applicant —

(a) having undergone a medical examination in accordance with para 1(c) above;

(b) having satisfactorily completed not less than ten hours of flight time as Pilot-in-Command (Fifty percent of flight time as Co-Pilot may be counted towards the requirement of flight time as Pilot-in-Command) within a period of six months immediately preceding the date of application for renewal; or in lieu thereof, having satisfactorily completed the general flying test by day and night as laid down in clause (h) of paragraph 1 within the same period;

(c) having a current Flight Radio Telephone Operator’s Licence for operation of radio telephone apparatus on board an aircraft, issued by the Director-General.


I have C-172 and BE-76 endorsements on my license (Multi-Engine Land) and now if I do CPL renewal on C-172 as there is no BE-76 in India anymore, will it become Single-Engine Land?

If yes, then how will I be able to keep my type endorsed as it needs my CPL to be Multi-Engine Land and then will I be able to renew my IR on type?

Or if I renew my IR first on type as my CPL is going to expire later and later if I renew my CPL on C-172, what happens to my type rating?

Also is it advisable/cheaper to do everything (GFT by Day, Night and IR) on type itself as anyhow I will be renewing my IR on type?