only Singaporeans and PR may apply for both programmes
30 vacancies for ab initio starting in March, 40 for ACP starting in February
Wow...you knew the figures well!
Jetstar knew that there will be people signing for ab-initio. Hence, these are market spoilers who will be paying approx 200K SGD. I am doubtful ab initio vacancies will be filled.
Jetstar knew that there will be people signing for ab-initio. Hence, these are market spoilers who will be paying approx 200K SGD. I am doubtful ab initio vacancies will be filled.
I have been trying to rationalize the Jetstar logic of providing the Advance Cadet Program. Like I mentioned before, the 700 hours aeronautical experience requirement cuts off most inexperienced Singaporean license holders.
Bearing in mind the ACP is only open to Singaporeans/PR, local pilots who have at least 700 hours AND would like to apply for the program will probably be:
1) People who have a license and have went overseas to clock hours because local operators didn’t take them.
2) Instructors who are currently with local/foreign flying clubs/schools who aren’t bonded
3) Military pilots who are nearing the end of their bonds and are looking for a career change.
4) Pilots with any of the above combination.
This leads me to believe that the program was designed to target the above-mentioned niche group of people. Having said that, these people, with the right hours and experience, would have the option to apply for local airlines (SIA/SIAC SilkAir) that are willing to put them through their own cadetship free of charge, and at the same time paying them a monthly allowance.
Given the high costs of the Jetstar ACP, and reasonably assuming that pilots are logical thinking people, this niche group would have gone for the “free of charge” cadetship first. Failure to get into the “free” program would then push them to join Jetstar and pay for their own conversion. My perspective leads me to think the ACP is shooting itself in the foot by limiting its available pool of eligible applicants. Who in the right mind would fork out $50,000 unless he has no other choice?
Of course, my argument might be flawed. Time will tell whether the program is successful.
ACP is only open to Singaporeans/PR, local pilots who have at least 700 hours AND would like to apply for the program will probably be:
1) People who have a license and have went overseas to clock hours because local operators didn’t take them. 2) Instructors who are currently with local/foreign flying clubs/schools who aren’t bonded 3) Military pilots who are nearing the end of their bonds and are looking for a career change. 4) Pilots with any of the above combination.
This leads me to believe that the program was designed to target the above-mentioned niche group of people.
It make sense! You are right!
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Given the high costs of the Jetstar ACP, and reasonably assuming that pilots are logical thinking people, this niche group would have gone for the “free of charge” cadetship first. Failure to get into the “free” program would then push them to join Jetstar and pay for their own conversion.
Precisely! This is Jetstar monkey trap!
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
ACP is shooting itself in the foot by limiting its available pool of eligible applicants. Who in the right mind would fork out $50,000 unless he has no other choice?
Jetstar expect Singaporean pilots are desperate to pay between SGD54,500 & SGD98,600 for the job!
1) People who have a license and have went overseas to clock hours because local operators didn’t take them.
2) Instructors who are currently with local/foreign flying clubs/schools who aren’t bonded
3) Military pilots who are nearing the end of their bonds and are looking for a career change.
4) Pilots with any of the above combination.
1. very few singaporeans do that i think, i dun see them here, or they keep quiet.. but there are alot CPL holders with lack of sufficient hours
2. these are the highly possible targets
3. no way, they will join SIA instead, RSAF will help them get there
yes, SIA cadetship is free, and they pay monthly allowance during training, but it won't be easy to get in
whereas this Jetstar Asia's programme, is there allowance? imagine going income-less for 6months and 18months for the respective programmes. will it be easy to get in? maybe for ACP, 'cause not many can fulfill the requirement
SIA cadetship is not free but slightly cheaper. You're bonded and monthly deduction from your salary goes into repaying partial of the training cost over the period of 7 years bond. Pay-wise anyone know the difference between a SQ FO and Jetstar FO? Yes, Jetstar did not mention if the trainee will be given a monthly training allowance over the training period like SIA no matter how little it can be.
I believe the 700 hours is a requirement only for non-CAAS licence (for CPL conversion). With your CAAS qualifications, you only need to meet their 100 hrs PIC requirement and probably would not even have to sit through their 5-months correspondence ATPL.
Jin75 is right!
Under CAAS SASP-2 Chapter 4, it is applicable for non-CAAS licence (for CPL conversion) holder. 700 hours is a requirement for licensing conversion.
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser 16th Dec 2010, 14:52
I have a CAAS CPL ME/IR and met all their requirements except the 700 hours. What is the rational behind this magic number?
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser 20th Dec 2010, 06:02
I have been trying to rationalize the Jetstar logic of providing the Advance Cadet Program. Like I mentioned before, the 700 hours aeronautical experience requirement cuts off most inexperienced Singaporean license holders.
cruisercruiser, I am very sure Jetstar Group "stupidly" made a mistake in the ACP!
700 hours is for non-CAAS licence holder into conversion.
Originally Posted by Stallone 20th Dec 2010, 02:26
yes, SIA cadetship is free, and they pay monthly allowance during training, but it won't be easy to get in.
Yes, I agree with Stallone.
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Originally Posted by Stallone 20th Dec 2010, 02:26
for ACP, 'cause not many can fulfill the requirement.
I think Jetstar Group will realise their mistake soon! The 700hours will only affect those non-CAAS licence Singaporean holders.
If you are holding a CAAS licence, Jetstar Group will consider immediately. Of course, if you can cough out SGD54,500 ~ SGD98,600, Jetstar will be smiling ear to ear.
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Originally Posted by sgcloudchaser 20th Dec 2010 03:09
SIA cadetship is not free but slightly cheaper.
Who says SIA cadetship is not free? It is *FREE* but serving a bond in return and with monthly allowance!
As for this Jetstar ab-initio and ACP, it is NOT free!
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Originally Posted by sgcloudchaser 20th Dec 2010 03:09
Jetstar did not mention if the trainee will be given a monthly training allowance over the training period like SIA no matter how little it can be.
After you have been accepted, they will definitely give you allowance and you do not have to worry.
If you are into Jetstar ab-initio -> be readily to pay SGD200K! Else it, for ACP -> please pay SGD54,500 ~ SGD98,600.
Last edited by thornycactus; 20th Dec 2010 at 09:40.
Boys, I have a mate with 200+ hrs, and has the CPL-IR n frozen ATPLs from CASA Australia... A few months ago, he got into Tiger with just doing a conversion which consisted of just the Airlaw paper ....
SO now what is actual practice for licence conversion?
Its seems 700hrs is not what he needed for conversion. Even his Australian coursemates didnt need the 700 hr requirement. Unless things have recently changed (like in the last few months)...
Originally Posted by rotatejunkie 20th Dec 2010 05:15
I have a mate with 200+ hrs, and has the CPL-IR n frozen ATPLs from CASA Australia... A few months ago, he got into Tiger with just doing a conversion which consisted of just the Airlaw paper ....
Its seems 700hrs is not what he needed for conversion.
Obviously, your friend has enrolled into a CAAS approved FTO!
Otherwise, without 700hrs, there is NO way to convert into a CAAS licence! I can guarantee that! CAAS is strict on aeronautical experience requirement.
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Originally Posted by rotatejunkie 20th Dec 2010 05:15
Even his Australian coursemates didnt need the 700 hr requirement.
CAAS has a big loop hole for not protecting its Singapore citizens!
Look at that, any nationality of Tom-Dick-Harry can convert their licence freely with Singapore air-operators! CAAS is really a stupid goverment board!
well im not sure about whether his was a CAAS approved FTO.
So in any case, if he was from a CAAS approved FTO, and if any Singaporean/PRs attained the same licence as my mate has from the same FTO in Oz, does that mean these grads will NOT be liable for the 700hr minimum requirement? And be readily accepted by Jet* with 200+ hours?
If thats true then Woo Hoo!
Otherwise, its some undertable favouritism practices we are not aware of in Singapore.... But thats another issue altogether...
There are only a few routes for licence conversion into CAAS one.
For foreign licence holder without the 700hrs minimum requirement, basically, s/he will have to sit for all navigation and technical papers and a checkride.
Eventually, it will be a full CAAS licence issued.
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Originally Posted by rotatejunkie 20th Dec 2010, 06:04
So in any case, if he was from a CAAS approved FTO, and if any Singaporean/PRs attained the same licence as my mate has from the same FTO in Oz, does that mean these grads will NOT be liable for the 700hr minimum requirement? And be readily accepted by Jet* with 200+ hours?
So, to answer your question, yes, you are right! If that's the case, 700hrs requirement will not be applicable.
