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Old 26th Jan 2009, 15:38   #1 (permalink)
 
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DGCA CPL Conversion Exams

Hi, I hold a faa cpl and am in the process of converting to an Indian DGCA cpl, can anyone kindly recommend some good coaching centers for composite and air regulations exams in New Delhi ? I will be appearing for the April session exams. Thanks!
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Old 26th Jan 2009, 17:05   #2 (permalink)
 
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Dear Nikaviator

I just cleared my dgca papers a few months back and highly recommend Tapash Kar, a pilot and ground instructor, I passed with above average marks in composite and regs in the very first attempt , small class, all of us passed, an excellent instructor for cpl exams, you can reach him on mobile no 9910405911…. A couple of friends have taken classes with Surinder Singh, large class, with mixed results, he is quite famous in delhi and have been teaching for a few years, don’t have his no. …. Good Luck!
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Old 27th Jan 2009, 07:23   #3 (permalink)
 
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Full money back!!! It seems like the teachers are not confident about the outcome of their students. I am not looking to shop a TV OR IPOD here. I’ve got six months time in my hands before my currency will lapse and I don"t want to become a victim of someone's experiment coz if i fail the 30k moneyback will not help me as i need another 2.5 lakhs for my recency. I am looking for an instructor with whom my probability of passing first time around is high and the rest, as usual, always depends upon the student thatz me...Anyways thank you very much and lemme know when there is an offer to payback for recency as well then the risk would be worth taking
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Old 27th Jan 2009, 10:40   #4 (permalink)
 
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mate you got the all india directory! very nice!
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Old 27th Jan 2009, 11:46   #5 (permalink)
 
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Wow, thanks a lot Divine Soul! As bad attitude said, very nice. COCOCHANEL, can you please send me the address of your instructor, wondering if he is close to where I am--small classes, and the pass rate in your class sounds great
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Old 27th Jan 2009, 17:26   #6 (permalink)
 
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Thanks, COCOCHANEL!
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Old 29th Jan 2009, 15:46   #7 (permalink)
 
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You are welcome....best of luck, hope you pass the april exam. The 6 month recency, day and night checks for SE and ME is such a bummer!
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If anyone knows any instructors who are teaching classes in Chennai, could you please give me their names and contact? Thanks...
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Old 5th Feb 2009, 04:23   #9 (permalink)
 
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"Full money back!!! It seems like the teachers are not confident about the outcome of their students."

@nika: there are always two ways of looking at things. maybe it's the opposite. maybe they are so confident that they're sure everyone will pass!

the door has been shown to you, you have to walk it.

in any case, the DGCA has been made into such a big issue. and to top it all everyone in this country loves to do "coaching" ... if you were so worried about your recency, you should have started studying on your "own" way back for the DGCA, rather than wait till the very end and try and take some short cut by taking classes and hope the guy at the black/white board magically makes you pass.

anyways, just my 2 cents ... good luck!
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Old 5th Feb 2009, 10:32   #10 (permalink)
 
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agent123, how did you come across this statistic?
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Old 5th Feb 2009, 14:04   #11 (permalink)
 
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It is a rumour that has been circulating for a while now, although nobody is able to back it up with facts.
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Old 5th Feb 2009, 18:49   #12 (permalink)
 
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the FAA's a cakewalk. can't say much about canada or australia.

in any case, there is such a thing as RTI, high time some one started exercising it.
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@bad attitude, hang on a minute-wait till the end? Before making any more presumptuous statements, you don’t live in my house to be an authority to decide whether I have studied before hand or not. Failure rate in the DGCA Nav exams is 80-90%. I don’t have a macho attitude, with that kind of statistics it would be taking too big a risk to attempt the exams without guidance eventhough I’ve studied the GSP . No ground instructor conducts coaching for DGCA CPL exams for one year, it’s always 2-3 months before the exams session. If you can’t give any good advise please don’t give a bad one either. Taking coaching classes is not a short cut. It is a safe execution. A good pilot should be prepared not unprepared.

Agent 123, even if DGCA randomly fails 500 students, that does not mean a student should go unprepared. Regarding recency, you learns to live with failure after you fail not before, so I don’t think one should have a loser attitude. Taking coaching is not an easy way out, one still has to work very hard, and if "safest way out" does not help, then please let me know which unsafe way will
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Not defending the DGCA, WPC, or the system(s) in India. Yes, this country is eons behind, and has potential that will NEVER be realized. However there are opportunities in aviation, if one is willing to work towards, even in India.

It’s not always easy for a CPL holder to get that proverbial “break”. Try helping yourselves and each other by doing the following:

1. DO NOT pay an employer for your job.
2. DO NOT pay for Type Ratings.
3. Qualify yourself (i.e. convert your Foreign License to a DGCA license) and stay current. You do not need to go to “coaching centers”. Ask around for help. Folks will be willing to lend you their notes/study material for FREE!
4. Avoid getting into pissing contests with the DGCA, WPC, the Indian Government, etc…they always win.
5. Times are tough, if circumstances permit look for flying jobs around the world. It doesn’t matter how menial they sound (bush flying, flight instruction, pipeline patrol, aerial tours, etc). It will make you a better pilot, and maybe even a better person. They can and never will be a substitute for “experience”.

This post is not a flame bait. If I have offended anyone’s sensibilities, I apologize.

I, like most you reading/posting on this forum am Indian who experienced much the same stuff. However there is always light at the end of the tunnel. Try not to get financially exploited.

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Can somebody please tell me on what date the April conversion tests will be conducted?

When do they close application for this batch? How many centres are there and are they all full?

Can the coaching for conversion be done in 30 days.

Thanks a lot in advance.
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Old 6th Feb 2009, 14:16   #16 (permalink)
 
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aussie mate, let the results for the jan session come out, they will have the preliminary dates for the april attempt.
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"You do not need to go to “coaching centers”. Ask around for help. Folks will be willing to lend you their notes/study material for FREE!"

The information provided by you is helpful but I would like to give some light to the fact that you shared with us which has been quoted above.
Sharing my own experience I have noticed, for a conversion exam which I attended you cannot entirely depend on the notes because there comes a point when you need a teacher who can give you some explanations .I do know that there are plenty of notes being circulated in the market but for passing these DGCA exams you have to have some backing, where the teacher's role comes into play. Besides the notes are not given by the DGCA, so it is not official like fhe FAA question bank many students waste a year trying to pass the exams in 2 -3 sessions. Have you checked out the fail rate of the DGCA CPL exam? A lot pilots have walked that road and ended up going to coaching classe after a few attempts. Choosing a good instructor is important, word of mouth from people you know count.

Well here my point lies in a simple fact: Provided with as many fat books as you may you might not understand a bit if not given some help from outside(in this case tutors, teachers) for these DGCA exams.
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 16:06   #18 (permalink)
 
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Can somebody please tell me on what date the April conversion tests will be conducted?

The dates for April exams will be released only when the january test's result are out. The way i think this time April exams will be in the 3rd or last week of april, but i suggest to constantly checkout for the dates in <<http://dgca.nic.in>>.

When do they close application for this batch? How many centres are there and are they all full?

The closing date will alo be given in the results for January test. I could'nt understand the last part of your question but will try to answer, the way i take it--there are four Examination centres in India i.e. Delhi, Mumbai, Kalcutta,Chenai.you can choose the nearest one to you for appearing for the exams. You can apply for it only when you have computer no. and the required amout of flying experience. for more PM/IM me. the submission of appliction for exams starts on the day of release of results of january exams. and goes for approx 2 weeks till closing date.


Can the coaching for conversion be done in 30 days.

I think, YES, you can do it in 1 month only if, and i repeat, only if you are commited towards it, Otherwise even if you put one year into it and are not committed enough you are very likely to be failing every time. Just go to the right tutor or coaching centre and devote 5-6 hours into it for individual study. I am sure you would pass.
the list for the tutors and coaching centtre is given in <<http://www.ippilots.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116>>
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 16:59   #19 (permalink)
 
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If anyone knows any instructors who are teaching classes in Chennai, could you please give me their names and contact? Thanks...

Hey why dont you try this link <<http://www.ippilots.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116>>
I know that there are not any chenai based instructors in the list but I sent it just to suggest you that please if you want to really pass the exams, go to New delhi or Mumbai. Actually New Delhi is the best. One of my good friends was also in chenai but preferred to come to New Delhi for his conversion exam. For any furthur details on the instructors based in New Delhi PM/IM me.
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Old 10th Feb 2009, 12:46   #20 (permalink)
 
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Agent 123...

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Lets say you spend something like Rs20 Lakh (~$50,000) on your training, and you finally do manage to convert your licence by going through the red tape that this wonderful Govt. of India and it's departments make you and everyone else go through.
You're sitting jobless at home for weeks together and then the weeks become months. Suddenly one day, you stumble upon some agent who promises you a job if you are willing to pay an amount upfront. (after you are given the Letter of Appointment and after you sign the company contract.), will you not grab it with both hands ? If your answer is negative, then all I can say is your loss is someone else's gain.
How many agents have you seen offering you a job with some sort of reward.....The only way getting into a major airlines in india is thru induction or good contacts with right people.....If you know any agent offering job PM me his details....I will pay double what he is asking....

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This is similar to the above point. If you are not willing to pay for your type rating, then the company will choose someone else who will be gladly willing to do so. This is the worst and saddest outcome of OVER POPULATION in India. When there is a mad rat race, merit automatically takes a backseat and it's all about who has more money or "connections" ,,, or the Indian local term .. "JUGAAD".

Getting your Type rating is not a "JUGAAD"......It's merit...The person with type rating is more qualified than the person who doesn't has any.....In this over population how many pilots are there....I think india has less pilots than US.....

If you do A320 rating and then suddenly you find that there are openings in Jet airways for 737...Then what...You wasted your money thinking what the F*@K

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Also rumour has it that some very popular instructors of these coaching centers have "connections" with the DGCA and get either the entire question paper or part of it "leaked" a day or two before the exams. "Astonishingly" the questions of Surinder's practice test (given to students a day prior to the actual DGCA tests) are remarkably similar !!
Last to last time in Oct,08 attempt......Nothing came from his questionaire....Only 3 questions worth 9 marks...Thats it....You pass only if you study...Thats it...Money cannot make you pass....It's an old tale....Now no paper leak and all that stuff....

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They win if you dont bribe. You win and get your job done if you pay them cold hard cash. This is the harsh and bitter truth. Trust me, I know ATLEAST 30 people (not kidding) who have paid a MINIMUM of Rs 2 Lakhs as Bribe to DGCA guys to get their jobs done. There's a phenomenal amount of BLACK MONEY floating in India !!
India is a bureaucratic country....But it doesn't means that you need to bribe anyone....Do everything according to the book...It's hard...But no one told life is easy mate.....

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As I had mentioned earlier ... All this feeling of patriotism and national pride in India is ONLY RESTRICTED to India-Pak cricket matches and during Independence day while watching some TV programs playing young children singing the national anthem and other songs.
In normal day to day life, each and every one is just waiting for some opportunity to stab each other's back, just to get one step ahead of the other.
Mate i think you never stepped out of your place.....Just try and socialize and you will have your answer on that....Stabbing others back is not about patriotism but about being self-righteous....

Cricket matches are not about patriotism but sportsmanship and spirit of the game....

You need to change your attitude if you want to work as a pilot ever....I have seen pilots been kicked out due to there attitude....

Regards
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