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can anyone give me feedback on this school. im planning to take up aviation after i graduate from college.
PAL is not an option because they dont accept students with glasses.
Clark aviation is also not an option coz i've been hearing negative feedback on this school and the P4M tuition is simply outrageous considering they havent proven anything yet. i've also learned that the MPL and the alpha planes are having problems with ATO.
im now thinking of going to OMNI. is this a good aviation school? what other schools would you recommend>
PAL is not an option because they dont accept students with glasses.
Clark aviation is also not an option coz i've been hearing negative feedback on this school and the P4M tuition is simply outrageous considering they havent proven anything yet. i've also learned that the MPL and the alpha planes are having problems with ATO.
im now thinking of going to OMNI. is this a good aviation school? what other schools would you recommend>
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I would like to second Don Vito in asking for some feedback re: Omni Aviation.
Someone in another thread mentioned that PAL won't start the application/screening process until October this year. I don't think I can wait that long anymore and I'm seriously considering going to Omni instead and taking the Gen Av Route.
Also, how about Air Link Aviation School?
Someone in another thread mentioned that PAL won't start the application/screening process until October this year. I don't think I can wait that long anymore and I'm seriously considering going to Omni instead and taking the Gen Av Route.
Also, how about Air Link Aviation School?
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hey all..want to see which school is the best?
First check out their facilities and their aircraft.
How many aircraft they have available for training.
How many of those are IFR rated (after your PPL of course).
How many instructors are available (given that the airlines are hiring, there may not be enough qualified instructors around).
From previous experience of running a school i think the most important part of a school are the aircraft and instructor availabilities.
When shopping for a school, do it like you are shopping for a big item ...carefully make sure that the product you will be buying is in good condition.
And when you decide which school you want to fly in dont put all your money at once. Make a gradual payment. Pay as you go. Some school will give discounts if you pre-purchase a certain amount of flight time instead of paying for each flight sessions. But be forewarned... even if you pay in advance to get a lower rate on the aircraft...availability way upset you when that aircraft is down for maintenace or other reasons..
Its your money..please do shop carefully.
ps...smiling goat..whats your budget...?
First check out their facilities and their aircraft.
How many aircraft they have available for training.
How many of those are IFR rated (after your PPL of course).
How many instructors are available (given that the airlines are hiring, there may not be enough qualified instructors around).
From previous experience of running a school i think the most important part of a school are the aircraft and instructor availabilities.
When shopping for a school, do it like you are shopping for a big item ...carefully make sure that the product you will be buying is in good condition.
And when you decide which school you want to fly in dont put all your money at once. Make a gradual payment. Pay as you go. Some school will give discounts if you pre-purchase a certain amount of flight time instead of paying for each flight sessions. But be forewarned... even if you pay in advance to get a lower rate on the aircraft...availability way upset you when that aircraft is down for maintenace or other reasons..
Its your money..please do shop carefully.
ps...smiling goat..whats your budget...?
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Don Vito,
Omni aviation is a good school, i am from Clark Av but our flying phase were subcontracted in Omni. Omni instructors are professional.
The owner himself came from an airline, so he really knows what he's doing, compared to other schools who just wants your money. But i guess, everybody will have different opinions on one thing, this is only mine.
Good luck to you bro!!!
Omni aviation is a good school, i am from Clark Av but our flying phase were subcontracted in Omni. Omni instructors are professional.
The owner himself came from an airline, so he really knows what he's doing, compared to other schools who just wants your money. But i guess, everybody will have different opinions on one thing, this is only mine.
Good luck to you bro!!!
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Thanks for the advice Sir!
The plan is to do exactly what you said, make gradual payments and pay as you go. The budget will (hopefully) be anywhere inside of what it would cost to go to PAL Aviation School, since that is the first choice.
I'm still in the initial stages of the search so all I have to go with for now is advice about flying schools from people like you and others in this forum who may have knowledge about which schools offer the best rates/packages etc. This is like making online research on the "big item" you want to buy before actually going out there and seeing it for yourself first hand.
The plan is to do exactly what you said, make gradual payments and pay as you go. The budget will (hopefully) be anywhere inside of what it would cost to go to PAL Aviation School, since that is the first choice.
I'm still in the initial stages of the search so all I have to go with for now is advice about flying schools from people like you and others in this forum who may have knowledge about which schools offer the best rates/packages etc. This is like making online research on the "big item" you want to buy before actually going out there and seeing it for yourself first hand.
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thanks for the tips. im sure omni has enough trainer planes, they ordered 6 more cessnas. this is also an indicator that their student population is increasing.
@mplcadet
from what i've read, CA has their own planes. so why did you have to fly at omni?
@smiling goat
do you know how much PAL av charges for PPL, CPL and IFR? i inquired at omni and it costs P1.5M for the PPL, CPL and IFR.
Do you guys know any graduates of omni? i'd like to know how their aviation careers are doing. like what airlines do they work for.
i think schools are successful if their graduates are successful.
thanks for the tips. im sure omni has enough trainer planes, they ordered 6 more cessnas. this is also an indicator that their student population is increasing.
@mplcadet
from what i've read, CA has their own planes. so why did you have to fly at omni?
@smiling goat
do you know how much PAL av charges for PPL, CPL and IFR? i inquired at omni and it costs P1.5M for the PPL, CPL and IFR.
Do you guys know any graduates of omni? i'd like to know how their aviation careers are doing. like what airlines do they work for.
i think schools are successful if their graduates are successful.
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if i may answer why some cadets at CA fly at Omni when they have their own planes:
CA only has 4 R2120U's that cater to about 40 cadets who aren't subcontracted with Omni... with one full-time instructor at the moment (and you thought Filipino public school teachers work out of devotion).
if i may answer why some cadets at CA fly at Omni when they have their own planes:
CA only has 4 R2120U's that cater to about 40 cadets who aren't subcontracted with Omni... with one full-time instructor at the moment (and you thought Filipino public school teachers work out of devotion).
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A FTO is a complex machine:
Yes, you have to check plenty of data:
Being an old instructor, which years of experience, this is my 10 cents in this thread
Yes, you have to check plenty of data:
- Ground School: quality of Groundies, Are they properly teaching or just giving answer to questions? You may think the most important is to pass through the exams. No, it is not... you have to get an aviation education and a solid background for a whole career. The exams are just an assessment. You should be able to answer any question relative to the syllabus and you must not be only prepared to answer the Question Bank of your Civil Aviation Authority. Later on, when you will try to join an Airlines, the missing knowledge will be quickly detected during your interviews and you will pay a high price on your career if you have underestimated the knowledge you must acquire.
- On the Flying side, good instructors and the ratio "Students per instructor" are key elements. ICAO states that the OVERALL (considering students in the Ground School + in the Flying School) ratio must be 6 to 1. In fact, this ratio varies depending on the training phase. If you consider only the Flying School, training on a JAR syllabus, the ratio is approximately 3 to 1 during the PPL phase, 5 to 1 during the "Building Hours" phase and 2 to 1 during the ME/IR phase. Credentials of instructors have to be checked. Is the school utilising "Part Time" Flight Instructors? If yes, this is an important factor of non standardisation of the training and shows a low standard concept.
- Maintenance is also a key factor. How many LAMES (Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineers)? How many mechanics? Is the scheduled maintenance properly planned? A visit of maintenance facilities is very instructing.
- A modern training is using proper simulators devices fully agreed by the Civil Aviation Authority with proper visual systems (FNPT II, FBS....we discard gadgets like computer stations). But, if the performances of the simulators are an important factor, another key element is the quality of the Simulator instructors. How many simulators instructors?
- Another key element is the proposed syllabus. The Civil Aviation Authority has to check that a minimum standard is proposed. But the Major schools are delivering a training which is -most of the time- more important than the basic requirements. Because, in serious FTOs, we are "educators" and not only "trainers" and we consider the knowledge which is required by our main customers, -Airlines-, and the evolution of modern technologies and not only the ad-minimum Regulations set by Authorities.
- Finally the price is not the fundamental issue, on contrary. What,- if after spending a lot of money-, you are found " below the "Standard" and cannot enter in Airline? Maybe, the slim difference you have been reluctant to pay will cost you a lot all your life. What happens in India is a good example: thousands of students have flocked overseas, looking for the cheapest training. They come back home with a low standard CPL/IR and most of them fail the Airline Entry tests....Such a spoilage!!!
- A serious FTO will always propose you a progressive payment in several instalments.
Being an old instructor, which years of experience, this is my 10 cents in this thread
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A couple of points to add. Check and ask around what kind of fuel the school is using. It has been a trend for flying schools to do a mix of AVgas / MOgas you would want to stay away those that mix it up or even worse us pure Mogas.
another helpful tip is to ask and check around the number of incidents / accidents the school has had. This will give you a very good insight on how well the institution is ran.
another helpful tip is to ask and check around the number of incidents / accidents the school has had. This will give you a very good insight on how well the institution is ran.
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Thanks Ubing for your add-in
I am not in the Philippines and MOGAS is not tolerated in most of Countries including where I am- because it is not a Certified Aviation Fuel, it can contain water in small quantity and impurities. MOGAS is not under the rigorous constraints of aviation fuel for checks and storage. UK-CAA has published information about utilisation of MOGAS and from their studies, it appears that in our tropical countries, the ambient temperature discards totally the use of MOGAS. More, I have heard about a school utilising MOGAS on Lycoming engines: the consequences were financially high: the valves are not appreciating this fuel, and they have to change the top heads at half normal life time.
More in Training we should apply the "transport Category" regulations which once more bans the utilisation of a non certified aviation fuel. The practice of using MOGAS should be condemned.
One accident may always happen in one school even the best ones, but the reasons of the accident have to be analysed sharply. But several incidents/accidents are certainly suspicious.
I am not in the Philippines and MOGAS is not tolerated in most of Countries including where I am- because it is not a Certified Aviation Fuel, it can contain water in small quantity and impurities. MOGAS is not under the rigorous constraints of aviation fuel for checks and storage. UK-CAA has published information about utilisation of MOGAS and from their studies, it appears that in our tropical countries, the ambient temperature discards totally the use of MOGAS. More, I have heard about a school utilising MOGAS on Lycoming engines: the consequences were financially high: the valves are not appreciating this fuel, and they have to change the top heads at half normal life time.
More in Training we should apply the "transport Category" regulations which once more bans the utilisation of a non certified aviation fuel. The practice of using MOGAS should be condemned.
One accident may always happen in one school even the best ones, but the reasons of the accident have to be analysed sharply. But several incidents/accidents are certainly suspicious.
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@paolylo
so thats 1 FI:40 cadets. no wonder their students are getting delayed.
@passenger07
thanks for the detailed info btw, what does "FTO" stand for? and since you're an experienced aviator, what school would you suggest for pilot wannabes aside from PAL av and CA?
so thats 1 FI:40 cadets. no wonder their students are getting delayed.
@passenger07
thanks for the detailed info
btw, what does "FTO" stand for? and since you're an experienced aviator, what school would you suggest for pilot wannabes aside from PAL av and CA?
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...dont limit yourselves to Flight Schools. Roam aorund the airport and make some friends. There maybe some private owners who flight train on the side. They dont have a flight school per say but do use private airplanes to instruct in. Books, curriculum are all available from Jeppssen. Self study is a littel more difficult..so alot of self motivation is a must. This will truly show your desire to fly.
Now of course if you chose this path you would have to be a self starter and very self motivated. Since there are no classroom you are on your own to self motivate to study and progress on the curriculum.
good luck..
"keep the blue side up"
Now of course if you chose this path you would have to be a self starter and very self motivated. Since there are no classroom you are on your own to self motivate to study and progress on the curriculum.
good luck..
"keep the blue side up"
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FTO stands for Flight Training Organisation and TRTO stand for Type Rating training Organisation
I do not know the exact situation of the Philippines Schools. I just try to help promoting a fair situation in SE Asia.
As I do not know the exact current situation in Philippines, I cannot advise you on a particular school.
Outside Philippines, I cannot advertise for a school because PPRUNE will ban me.
Another point is that I do not know in which conditions you can convert a Foreign licence in Philippines one.
If this conversion is easy, I can recommand you something. Check first how to convert an ICAO licence in Philippines one, then PM me.
I do not know the exact situation of the Philippines Schools. I just try to help promoting a fair situation in SE Asia.
As I do not know the exact current situation in Philippines, I cannot advise you on a particular school.
Outside Philippines, I cannot advertise for a school because PPRUNE will ban me.
Another point is that I do not know in which conditions you can convert a Foreign licence in Philippines one.
If this conversion is easy, I can recommand you something. Check first how to convert an ICAO licence in Philippines one, then PM me.
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we do have 8 more... it's just that one of them only works part-time during weekends as he is also an FI elsewhere and the ATO either hasn't released the R2120U ratings or finished check-riding the rest of our instructors.
we do have 8 more... it's just that one of them only works part-time during weekends as he is also an FI elsewhere and the ATO either hasn't released the R2120U ratings or finished check-riding the rest of our instructors.
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About what Jester Icarus suggests:
It is rare -but I know a couple of them-, some Airlines Instructors, aviation passionated, continue some activities in Flying Club in plus of their Airline activity. Yes if you are very lucky such a guy can train you and bring you to the required level.
Other Flight Instructors, with no Airlines experience and particularly no Ab Initio Cadet training experience, and not involved in a real professional FTO, have only a vague idea of the required standard. Beware of the Aeroclub or Airport Bar "aficionados".... they talk heavily but the truth is often not there....
I recommand strongly to be trained by proper professionals and not "amateurs".
For your information, in our professional FTO, during the recruitment procedure, we reject a majority of Instructor CVs after analysing their experience and the way they have gotten it. If they pass this first scrutinising phase, at the arrival in our FTO, they will have to face a question test, a simulator check. If they are declared OK, then they will have a "Standardisation" training (Around 10 days).
This kind of evaluation/procedure is typical of what is done in the best FTOs worldwide, and yes we can ensure that our cadets are going to be trained properly.
The Groundies are selected on reference through our relational network, then they will be checked: they have to be able to teach at least 3 topics at the JAR level and must be highly IT literate because they have to produce and update their training supports.
It is rare -but I know a couple of them-, some Airlines Instructors, aviation passionated, continue some activities in Flying Club in plus of their Airline activity. Yes if you are very lucky such a guy can train you and bring you to the required level.
Other Flight Instructors, with no Airlines experience and particularly no Ab Initio Cadet training experience, and not involved in a real professional FTO, have only a vague idea of the required standard. Beware of the Aeroclub or Airport Bar "aficionados".... they talk heavily but the truth is often not there....
I recommand strongly to be trained by proper professionals and not "amateurs".
For your information, in our professional FTO, during the recruitment procedure, we reject a majority of Instructor CVs after analysing their experience and the way they have gotten it. If they pass this first scrutinising phase, at the arrival in our FTO, they will have to face a question test, a simulator check. If they are declared OK, then they will have a "Standardisation" training (Around 10 days).
This kind of evaluation/procedure is typical of what is done in the best FTOs worldwide, and yes we can ensure that our cadets are going to be trained properly.
The Groundies are selected on reference through our relational network, then they will be checked: they have to be able to teach at least 3 topics at the JAR level and must be highly IT literate because they have to produce and update their training supports.
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hey 
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hearing negatives about CA? .. hmmm ... why hearing .. why not makin sure about it?
if u are from the Philippines .. why not afford to pay a visit to CA?
and why not afford to pay a visit to omni?
good luck in ur training
...hearing negatives about CA? .. hmmm ... why hearing .. why not makin sure about it?
if u are from the Philippines .. why not afford to pay a visit to CA?
and why not afford to pay a visit to omni?
good luck in ur training
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Don Vito, i do suggest you visit OMNI field where all of PAL Av, OMNI, and CA's planes are chocked. there's more credible info there when you speak to OMNI's staff since they'll give you their brochure compared to browsing their website or asking this pilot's rumors forum. i did visit OMNI a couple of years back when i was still looking for a flying school and it was very fruitful.
if you're at it... why not drive further along the main road and pay us a vist at CA just so you can confirm if our marketing staff will surely cover-up or deny our school's deficiencies? (they'll prolly tour you to the level D A320 full flight sim where the Cebu Pac pilots train... i dare you to ask how many CA cadets have used it) who knows? chances are you will meet cadet pilots who graduated from your college alma mater and tell you and your parents what they think about CA's program.
if you're at it... why not drive further along the main road and pay us a vist at CA just so you can confirm if our marketing staff will surely cover-up or deny our school's deficiencies? (they'll prolly tour you to the level D A320 full flight sim where the Cebu Pac pilots train... i dare you to ask how many CA cadets have used it) who knows? chances are you will meet cadet pilots who graduated from your college alma mater and tell you and your parents what they think about CA's program.
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OMNI crash in December 2007
2 hurt as plane crashlands in Nueva Ecija rice field
By Anselmo Roque
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First Posted 04:50pm (Mla time) 12/20/2007
CABANATUAN CITY, Philippines -- Two persons, one of them an Indian pilot, were hurt when their plane crashlanded in a rice field in Zaragoza, Nueva Ecija, on Thursday.
Police said the Indian pilot, Sandeen Kimmar, 30, and his co-pilot, Jeffrey Mabbang, 26, of Tarlac City, were taken to a hospital in nearby La Paz, Tarlac, and later transferred to the Central Luzon Doctors’ Hospital in Tarlac City.
Chief Inspector Restituto Reyes, Zaragoza police chief, said Kimmar’s two-seater Omni plane apparently experienced mechanical problems at about 10 a.m., forcing the pilot to make an emergency landing in Barangay (village) Valeriana, seven kilometers from Zaragoza town proper.
Zaragoza is some 30 kilometers west of this city.
Reyes said the plane left Clark air field in Pampanga earlier in the day for a routine training flight.
He said residents of Barangay Valeriana noticed the plane was circling several meters above the ground before it landed in the rice field.
By Anselmo Roque
Central Luzon Desk
First Posted 04:50pm (Mla time) 12/20/2007
CABANATUAN CITY, Philippines -- Two persons, one of them an Indian pilot, were hurt when their plane crashlanded in a rice field in Zaragoza, Nueva Ecija, on Thursday.
Police said the Indian pilot, Sandeen Kimmar, 30, and his co-pilot, Jeffrey Mabbang, 26, of Tarlac City, were taken to a hospital in nearby La Paz, Tarlac, and later transferred to the Central Luzon Doctors’ Hospital in Tarlac City.
Chief Inspector Restituto Reyes, Zaragoza police chief, said Kimmar’s two-seater Omni plane apparently experienced mechanical problems at about 10 a.m., forcing the pilot to make an emergency landing in Barangay (village) Valeriana, seven kilometers from Zaragoza town proper.
Zaragoza is some 30 kilometers west of this city.
Reyes said the plane left Clark air field in Pampanga earlier in the day for a routine training flight.
He said residents of Barangay Valeriana noticed the plane was circling several meters above the ground before it landed in the rice field.