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exhorbitant licensing fees at OMNI
people, please understand that paying these fees are A CHOICE. if you dont want to pay for +-5000php/hr then look for a different school that asks for less.
BUT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
the 26-35k for licensing fees are high.. thats true. but that is NOT mandatory! you can opt to line up at CAAP yourself and pay, at the most) 1k, not including gas and toll. the people at CAAP that process you dont bite.
my friend, now flying for cebpac, didnt go through the liason officer. he processed and applied for all his licenses himself. spl, ppl, cpl, ir, multi, atpl. he now knows the ins and outs of the place, especially who to talk to when quick help is needed.
THE PRICE FOR CONVENIENCE IS HIGH.
BUT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
the 26-35k for licensing fees are high.. thats true. but that is NOT mandatory! you can opt to line up at CAAP yourself and pay, at the most) 1k, not including gas and toll. the people at CAAP that process you dont bite.
my friend, now flying for cebpac, didnt go through the liason officer. he processed and applied for all his licenses himself. spl, ppl, cpl, ir, multi, atpl. he now knows the ins and outs of the place, especially who to talk to when quick help is needed.
THE PRICE FOR CONVENIENCE IS HIGH.
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apologies
for the person to whom i replied to, i apologize, it wasnt meant as a counter.
anyway, ive been to 3 different flying schools, shopping around, and the school i keep coming back to is OMNI.
i have several friends there and met new ones through them. and through these guys and girls, i get the actual low down on the rumors that have been spreading through these forums.
the high priced licensing fees are true.. im not sure how much it is now, but as one of you posted, it was at 30k.
BUT
the licensing fees or liason fees ARE NOT MANDATORY. this is for your convenience. you CAN CHOOSE to not pay for this, but you will then have to apply for your licenses and certificates yourself. and by doing this, you keep costs down, around 2k (approximation) for the whole set (medical fees and CAAP licensing fees). aside from that, you get to learn how CAAP works, where your papers are, and who to talk to when they cant find it.
OMNI may seem the best flying school presently, but it is not perfect. and ive seen firsthand its many flaws.. and to say the least, its not the instructors, ground and flight, that will bring the school down... 'nuff said.
anyway, ive been to 3 different flying schools, shopping around, and the school i keep coming back to is OMNI.
i have several friends there and met new ones through them. and through these guys and girls, i get the actual low down on the rumors that have been spreading through these forums.
the high priced licensing fees are true.. im not sure how much it is now, but as one of you posted, it was at 30k.
BUT
the licensing fees or liason fees ARE NOT MANDATORY. this is for your convenience. you CAN CHOOSE to not pay for this, but you will then have to apply for your licenses and certificates yourself. and by doing this, you keep costs down, around 2k (approximation) for the whole set (medical fees and CAAP licensing fees). aside from that, you get to learn how CAAP works, where your papers are, and who to talk to when they cant find it.
OMNI may seem the best flying school presently, but it is not perfect. and ive seen firsthand its many flaws.. and to say the least, its not the instructors, ground and flight, that will bring the school down... 'nuff said.
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would it better if i enroll to CIA than Omni if i plan to work or have an a320 rating? their tuition is more than double of that of omni's but they have an aibus a320 training.
i have a bachelor's degree and im starting with zero aviation experience. any help?
i have a bachelor's degree and im starting with zero aviation experience. any help?
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@advice
omni's reputation for getting people in the airline is really good. i just heard that one training batch in cebpac is comprised of omni graduates. this means they really know their stuff. ive seen them review for the interview, but they just scan their notes. .. again, this means it came from their groundschool..
they dont need to study again, they just review it.
my advice: go to omni and hang around the place. take the time to go around and meet the pilots and students.. dont ask for the official tour because their answers are scripted and will obviously give you the polished facts.
fair warning: all institutions have politics. and omni has its own share of that.
if you like what you see and hear, then enroll. if you dont like it after a few days there then leave.. the prices are almost the same for the other schools..
... but the guys there now are a lot better, because the guys that left and went to the airlines were the best.. on and off the ground.
thats my 10 cents..
they dont need to study again, they just review it.
my advice: go to omni and hang around the place. take the time to go around and meet the pilots and students.. dont ask for the official tour because their answers are scripted and will obviously give you the polished facts.
fair warning: all institutions have politics. and omni has its own share of that.
if you like what you see and hear, then enroll. if you dont like it after a few days there then leave.. the prices are almost the same for the other schools..
... but the guys there now are a lot better, because the guys that left and went to the airlines were the best.. on and off the ground.
thats my 10 cents..
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Given Omni is one of the better schools in the PI, I wouldn't call everyone who left you "the best on and off the ground".
Shout out to one of your instructors who made it into bupak despite intentionally flying into IMC while VFR, hitting his students during lessons and padding his multi-time on the Seneca. The guy flies an A320 now.
Sometimes it pays to be a crook.
But in all fairness he was the exception to the lot.
Shout out to one of your instructors who made it into bupak despite intentionally flying into IMC while VFR, hitting his students during lessons and padding his multi-time on the Seneca. The guy flies an A320 now.
Sometimes it pays to be a crook.
But in all fairness he was the exception to the lot.
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@ airstink
i think i've heard of that pilot. and i wont defend the guy simply because i dont know him. but you're generalizing the whole lot for one persons actions.
just because you found a rotten apple in a barrel doesnt necessarily mean that the whole barrel is full of rotten apples.
you judge one persons actions based on heresay (unless you were the student he was hitting..) but you fail to realize that most (not all, mind you) of the airline pilots that came from genav has done the same thing: corporal punishment, padding of time, etc. but they're in the airlines. they're flying 747s, 777s, 380s.. they did what they did to get to the airlines ahead of the others.
and look what happened... pilots, captains and f.o's, that screw up because of lack of training and discipline despite what the time on their logbook says.
but thats just my opinion...
just because you found a rotten apple in a barrel doesnt necessarily mean that the whole barrel is full of rotten apples.
you judge one persons actions based on heresay (unless you were the student he was hitting..) but you fail to realize that most (not all, mind you) of the airline pilots that came from genav has done the same thing: corporal punishment, padding of time, etc. but they're in the airlines. they're flying 747s, 777s, 380s.. they did what they did to get to the airlines ahead of the others.
and look what happened... pilots, captains and f.o's, that screw up because of lack of training and discipline despite what the time on their logbook says.
but thats just my opinion...
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No
No it wasn't.
The student was from the Philippines. The instructor was from Malaysia.
vid 1
vid 2
I think you will find video # 2 makes this relatively clear.
FYI I have regularly flow Omni's aircraft including the 152 in question. I have no issue with Omni's maintainance whatsoever.
I do however have issues with their turnover of instructors and the subsequent loss of skills and safety that implies.
A C152 can land anywhere dead stick unless you are really unlucky. SEL aircraft do loose the "donk" from time to time, but you have to try really hard to kill yourself if this happens.
Lack of training (for the CFI) and an unfortunate training hop for the student.
RIP
The student was from the Philippines. The instructor was from Malaysia.
vid 1
vid 2
I think you will find video # 2 makes this relatively clear.
FYI I have regularly flow Omni's aircraft including the 152 in question. I have no issue with Omni's maintainance whatsoever.
I do however have issues with their turnover of instructors and the subsequent loss of skills and safety that implies.
A C152 can land anywhere dead stick unless you are really unlucky. SEL aircraft do loose the "donk" from time to time, but you have to try really hard to kill yourself if this happens.
Lack of training (for the CFI) and an unfortunate training hop for the student.
RIP
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Correct.
I was lucky to have Jhick, Aljess and M. Mesina as my instructors. I have never spent my money better.
And Jeff on the ground.
All gone now...much to Omni's detriment.
Correct.
I was lucky to have Jhick, Aljess and M. Mesina as my instructors. I have never spent my money better.
And Jeff on the ground.
All gone now...much to Omni's detriment.
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Sorry mate,I don't understand any filipino!
Below are the articles from Malaysia & Philippine.
...and they clearly stated Malaysian Student!
MANILA (AP): A Malaysian student pilot and his Filipino instructor were killed when their Cessna plane crashed in northern Pampanga province Friday, said Philippine civil aviation officials.
A police report identified those killed as Malaysian Tian Yu Wong and flying instructor Alfred Christian de Leon.
Capt Amando Soliman of the civil aviation said it was not immediately clear why the two-seater plane crashed in an open field. He says no one was hurt on the ground.
Soliman said the plane was owned by Omni Aviation flying school based in Clark Freeport, a former U.S.-run air base in Pampanga.
M'sian student pilot killed in training flight in the Philippines
Light plane crashes; 2 killed | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online
Below are the articles from Malaysia & Philippine.
...and they clearly stated Malaysian Student!
MANILA (AP): A Malaysian student pilot and his Filipino instructor were killed when their Cessna plane crashed in northern Pampanga province Friday, said Philippine civil aviation officials.
A police report identified those killed as Malaysian Tian Yu Wong and flying instructor Alfred Christian de Leon.
Capt Amando Soliman of the civil aviation said it was not immediately clear why the two-seater plane crashed in an open field. He says no one was hurt on the ground.
Soliman said the plane was owned by Omni Aviation flying school based in Clark Freeport, a former U.S.-run air base in Pampanga.
M'sian student pilot killed in training flight in the Philippines
Light plane crashes; 2 killed | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online
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Look. I'm not going to get into a pissing fight with you. The facts are as I stated previously. Do you find it unusual that Omni employ a Malaysian flight instructor?
They currently employ an Israli FI as well.
Follow the links i posted....read the titles on vid two, translate the tagalog and go to bed.
They currently employ an Israli FI as well.
Follow the links i posted....read the titles on vid two, translate the tagalog and go to bed.
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@subsonicsubic
Following the links you posted i came across this:
BT: Malaysian student pilot at Pinoy instructor, patay sa plane crash - Video - GMA News Online - The go-to site for Filipinos everywhere - Latest Philippine News
It does not matter if it was a Malaysian instructor or student anyways...what matters is that 2 of our fellow pilots have perished in this tragedy
RIP
Condolences to their families.
Wonder how the guys who knew them in OMNI are coping up...such a sick feeling when you see people off before a flight and they don't return back. Just hearing a Mayday call from a company aircraft on the radios was bad enough for me. Could not stop praying till they got back safely on ground.
Never flew 8839. During my days it was the good old RPC 1049,1051 (soloed on 1051) and the better (those days) 8832, 8831.
Following the links you posted i came across this:
BT: Malaysian student pilot at Pinoy instructor, patay sa plane crash - Video - GMA News Online - The go-to site for Filipinos everywhere - Latest Philippine News
It does not matter if it was a Malaysian instructor or student anyways...what matters is that 2 of our fellow pilots have perished in this tragedy
RIPCondolences to their families.
Wonder how the guys who knew them in OMNI are coping up...such a sick feeling when you see people off before a flight and they don't return back. Just hearing a Mayday call from a company aircraft on the radios was bad enough for me. Could not stop praying till they got back safely on ground.
Never flew 8839. During my days it was the good old RPC 1049,1051 (soloed on 1051) and the better (those days) 8832, 8831.
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Omni airplane crash
just last week omni in the phils had an airplane crash. student and pilot died. the owner of omni said it plane error.
i thought it was taiwanese, they use avgas not mogas which is illegal in the western world.
which is the best school you chose!!
i thought it was taiwanese, they use avgas not mogas which is illegal in the western world.
which is the best school you chose!!
