So... Who in their right mind is going to even apply for a JetAirways position given their ill-thought out manning policy for expats??? How many times has this happened yet apparently, guys keep coming back for more uncertainty.
B777TAC it is what it is The winds have shifted in India, and most of the jubilance has been replaced by reality.
Very true! The Indian government and in fact the whole world had been duped by the global shadowy powers which wanted to use India to sabotage China, Iran and Russia. They came up with all sorts of fancy projections of India's rise and super potential to suck in a lot of money and resources with their power and psychological games. India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Central Asian Muslim republics are all used to the hilt.
The damage has been done, the money and resources either siphoned or wantonly wasted and the whole region sinks into deeper chaos, but this is just collateral damage. The main objective of demonising the rising Oriental dragon, surrounding it, containing it and impeding it has been achieved!
Aviators, businessmen and other professionals are all caught up in this game. Fools in the Indian civil and intelligence service, the military and political sphere are forever led by the nose. Sadly the subcontinent, the central Asian countries, Asean as well as Korea and Japan have all sunk deeper and deeper into their respective roles as patsies.
He must work for "Virtual International Airlines"... You know the one where report is never earlier than 0900 and you are done and on the way home no later than 1500. And to clarify... its the same day.
It's a company, do you expect them to pat your bottom for all your services? You fly they pay, you go on to the next contract when this one doesn't suit you any more. If you expect anything more from large corporations, especially as a temporary contract worker your dillusional. Quit acting like Jet owes you some sort of entitlement for flying for them. If you don't like it move on! Quit b3()$$&& about how bad it is at a company you no longer work for and if you still work there leave, it's not good for your health to be this obsessed with the good old days.. Jet is great for some, horrible for others. Everybody is different, let them decide for themselves how to live life's you know nothing about..
It's a company, do you expect them to pat your bottom for all your services? You fly they pay, you go on to the next contract when this one doesn't suit you any more. If you expect anything more from large corporations, especially as a temporary contract worker your dillusional. Quit acting like Jet owes you some sort of entitlement for flying for them. If you don't like it move on! Quit b3()$$&& about how bad it is at a company you no longer work for and if you still work there leave, it's not good for your health to be this obsessed with the good old days.. Jet is great for some, horrible for others. Everybody is different, let them decide for themselves how to live life's you know nothing about.
drive73 is right. I've done a couple of contracts with Jet. The first time they treated me well. The second time not so much. But, hey, that's just business. I told them I wouldn't put up with it for too much longer and I didn't. I left. I don't think they were all that offended or upset and neither was I when they changed the TCs (the reason for my leaving). I knew the business climate had changed and I knew expat pilots would never band together and take the company on collectively. They broke the T&Cs without negotiation, and I no longer cared about outperforming for them, so they got what they paid for... more or less. It's a two-way street and they knew it as well as I.
The contract world has to be measured for what it is, temporary worker status. The problem is as pilots sometimes we get sick of moving from job to job so guys want to settle in. One should never get too comfortable in any temp worker situation. I've always only done contracts when leaves are offered from my airline. That way I'm still accruing seniority somewhere while I taste another part of the aviation world. But that's just my circumstance. I realize everyone is in a different boat. If you don't like the contract world then find 2 or 3 of your career airlines of choice and get a seniority number there. But be prepared for the long crawl up the seniority chain. Worth it in the end but can take decades to see the fruits of your labor. Otherwise, expect to be expendable, that, by definition, is what contract workers are.
And remember, no local wants to see a contract worker holding up their movement. So don't expect to be on their best-friends list while you're working in their country at their airline. Just the way it is.
I always leave a contract gig early (following proper notice period decorum as per the T&Cs). Never wait for them to show you the door. Try to leave while the going is good, leaving while out on top as it were. It just feels better that way, like you're in control. Which you are if you leave on your terms and not theirs. Plus, it reminds airline managements around the world that this pilot-company thing is a two-way street. Treat a pilot poorly by not doing what you said you were going to do, and find yourself on the losing end of that relationship.
There's a reason why Korean, SkyMark, Air India are desperate for commanders right now. It has nothing to do with growth, rather it has every thing to do with how the pilots who left were treated. There is a reason for all that turnover at these carriers. Why do you think they have to sweeten the pot, or lower the bar to entry, with respect to their latest T&Cs?
"There's a reason why Korean, SkyMark, Air India are desperate for commanders right now. It has nothing to do with growth, rather it has every thing to do with how the pilots who left were treated. There is a reason for all that turnover at these carriers. Why do you think they have to sweeten the pot, or lower the bar to entry, with respect to their latest T&Cs? "
Old bold, I will find out. Captjns may have the skinny on the changes in contract. I would imagine the bonus was cut, but speculation on my part. Before the cuts they were also trying to push guys from the hotel. If you chose to stay in the hotel they gave the lac and you paid charges over that amount. Or if you chose a 16 and 2 schedule you could stay at the hotels and not pay over the lac. Or just stay in a flat and keep the normal lac and 8 and 2. But again I'll get back to you. This is just 737 fleet. Atr guys haven't been affected, except tmu and problem child folks.
hello everyone 9W is no good place for foreigners!!! im not yet a pilot, but i do operations at 9W. I have a 1year renewable contract with them, 2mounths before the first year was over i kept asking for a clear answer whether my contract will be renewed or not i never got a clear answer, 3mounths after i left i got a call to report back on duty, since i was jobless, i had no choice but to accept. i know a lot of (foreigners) pilots who are disgusted by the working conditions at 9W, once they have the opportunity to join another airline they will leave! it's a messy airline, you'll never be safe! if you ever consider joining it please think twice, unless it's your last option, get some hours and leave for a better airline!
Iím sorry Aviationgeek that your memories during your tenure with Jet Airways will not be happy ones. Those who shared your views made their choice to move on with hopefully hard feelings by either party.
Yes, many pilots had their contracts terminated. But the hand writing was on the wall. Jet Airways performed to their terms and conditions of their contract during the termination period with pay. I know an individual who was terminated during ground school and received pay over a three month period too, which is a section contained within the contract. Not all pilots had the three month termination period provision contained within their contracts.
Only those pilots with FATAs, and Work Visas currentlyvalid, were invited to return to Jet Airways for one year. The termination period has been reduced fromthree to one month. The provision forthe loyalty bonus is part of the contract too.
During the past two plus decades, Iíve been an expat in many countries. I learned early on that business cultures are as diverse as the cultures within the countries Iíve resided and worked in. After my first overseas job, I made it a point to perform as comprehensive research as possible to help me decide whether or not to accept positions of employment based on the conditions both at the prospective airline and country where I would be living.
Itís different working for a foreign company with expat managers in oneís own country. But to some, at the end of the day, a pay check is just that Ö a paycheck until a better position comes along.
Before coming to Jet, I was employed by a contracting agency in Europe. I was assigned to fly for a low cost carrier, based too far from your back yard. In the beginning of the contract period it was a fairly decent place to work for one and all. During my tenure, I observed terms and conditions deteriorate for those employed directlyto the airline. This particular company continues to use bullying and scare tactics to keep their employees in line. As mentioned before, I was a contractor, not subject to the abuse that the direct employees of this particular company contiune to be subject to.
At the end of the day, Aviationgeek, there is no Utopia to be found in working for any company on this globe these days. Compared to the carrier I flew for in Euroland, I have no major complaints about Jet that would cause me to stomp off in a huff. Jet stood by those who werer TMUed too. I've never any company, both airline and nonairline I've worked for pay employees while medically unfit. But thatís me and I canít nor will I speakfor anyone else, as this just my opinion.