Jet Airways B777 recruitment?
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6 weeks?
As long as there are grannies giving the right arm and an eye to be strapped on a flight deck, to enjoy a couple more years before going back to the golf course, expect 8 weeks on 2 weeks off, no hotel (the allowance is enough for a s.....y apartment 2 hrs from the airport), no perdiem at 'base', no tickets to go home, the list goes...
And yes, there's plenty of time off and stbys in the always vibrant Mumbai!
You gonna miss home and grandsons sooner than you'd expect.
The reverse isn't necessarily true.
And yes, there's plenty of time off and stbys in the always vibrant Mumbai!
You gonna miss home and grandsons sooner than you'd expect.
The reverse isn't necessarily true.
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You can get a very nice apartment in bom for a lak and still have money left over only 15 minutes from the airport or 45 if your going at peak times, which on the 777 you rarely will be. Tickets are provided home and business class if the loads work out. They also pay 500 dollars from where you meet the company plane during your commute. Many of the 777 guys just take the lak and stay in the holiday in express when in bom. Seems to work out for most of them.
Fullforward you either need a new source or you are completly full of s$&@, but either way you need to stop providing false information!
Fullforward you either need a new source or you are completly full of s$&@, but either way you need to stop providing false information!
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Oh God!
I promised not to reply to despicable types like 'driver' anymore.
However, he confirms the suspicion he's a management boot licker, writing such blatantly false information:
- 1 lack is enough to rent a filthy, s....y, place close to some slum. Maybe 10 years ago it was possible to rent something decent on this money; Holyday Inn Exp is fully booked most of the times; horrible surroundings, nowhere to go, a truly prision. And you have pay for your meals, laundry etc!
- Jet let you go dead head for your block off (of course on it's network only), business class ? Is 90% of times full! So take your chances either on jump seat or at the best on coach, no warranties whatsoever; 500 USD is a ridicule sum for even a domestic ticket.
Why on earth 'driver' insist on hiding the fact that this is a crappy contract? Maybe he's making some money for each poor soul he lures into this scam. Two guys hired back in June are resigning. This tells something.
'Driver': got enough of you, grannie, get a life
However, he confirms the suspicion he's a management boot licker, writing such blatantly false information:
- 1 lack is enough to rent a filthy, s....y, place close to some slum. Maybe 10 years ago it was possible to rent something decent on this money; Holyday Inn Exp is fully booked most of the times; horrible surroundings, nowhere to go, a truly prision. And you have pay for your meals, laundry etc!
- Jet let you go dead head for your block off (of course on it's network only), business class ? Is 90% of times full! So take your chances either on jump seat or at the best on coach, no warranties whatsoever; 500 USD is a ridicule sum for even a domestic ticket.
Why on earth 'driver' insist on hiding the fact that this is a crappy contract? Maybe he's making some money for each poor soul he lures into this scam. Two guys hired back in June are resigning. This tells something.
'Driver': got enough of you, grannie, get a life
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2200 dollars is enough to get you a very nice place in bom and every where is next to a slum. This contract isn't about the pleasant surroundings of bom. Everybody knows its a filthy mess. You can however rent a very nice place for 70 thousand rs.
You are given a d sub load full ticket to wherever jet goes and 500 dollars travel money for block off, which gets you completly across the US. My son gets business class about 60 percent of the time. About 90 percent of the Time from bru to new York. Just don't plan to block off around the weekend.
People come and go in every contract, if it doesn't work for you it doesn't move on , some guys love jet some hate it. It depends on the individual. Fullforward has trouble telling the truth so take what he says with a grain of salt and check with others that have better sources or actually work there.
You are given a d sub load full ticket to wherever jet goes and 500 dollars travel money for block off, which gets you completly across the US. My son gets business class about 60 percent of the time. About 90 percent of the Time from bru to new York. Just don't plan to block off around the weekend.
People come and go in every contract, if it doesn't work for you it doesn't move on , some guys love jet some hate it. It depends on the individual. Fullforward has trouble telling the truth so take what he says with a grain of salt and check with others that have better sources or actually work there.
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I can only speak for the 737 fleet.
Terms and conditions are essentially the same for allfleets. Different fleets may have differentwork patterns, but the allowances but the concepts are about the same.
In talking to the A330 expat skippers, they are givencirca $2,000 per month for accommodation allowance. I guess the same terms and conditions willapply to the 777 expats too.
The $2000 can be used for a flat or nightly stays athotels at your assigned base. If theyroute you to a hotel in India that is not your base, then Jet Airways pays forthat hotel and you are accorded the traditional meal allowance which isbreakfast plus 2000 rupees a day. Hotelsprovide breakfast buffets. Lunch anddinner is on your own nickel, euro, pound krona, rupee or whatever your currencymay be. If you choose the hotel route,rostering arranges hotel accommodations. I can only speak of Mumbai and Chennaihotels. Mumbai is usually the Marriottin Lake Powai, or the Holiday Inn Express. Both decent places. Marriottgives you 1 hour of internet while the Holiday Inn provides you with unlimitedusage. Food is OK too.
Pay is usually the first week of the month. But sometimes, as has been read, the middleof the month. Jet has the cash andresources. Wonder why flights are beingcancelled, especially on the 737 fleet? Too many jets, too many routes, and not enough skippers.
There is no standby travel when traveling on one’s blockoff. It’s confirmed Economy. That is what is printed on the E-Ticket. If there is space, then one will be given aseat in business class. I’ve never beenin economy class traveling to or from Chennai. From Mumbai, however, a different story.
The manager of the expat cell is a good chap. He responds to emails quite fast. Like any manager, whining emails areconsidered to be a pain in the butt… but what airline doesn’t
I would recommend Jet. For the most part, management do their best to look after the expats.
Air Viet Nam has been rumored to be a place toavoid. Korean Air…mixed bag as far asreviews are concerned. Qatar… accordingto a few friends of mine there, the jury is still out. They were 777 skippers and put into theAirbus 320 fleet… so go figure.
I’ve met a bunch of young expat skippers on the ATR andBoeing. Great guys! They are taking advantage of the good pay fortheir futures if they choose to return to the US and join a major. They’ll have the extra funds in their bankaccounts to supplement the abysmal pay they can expect with US carriers.
Hope this helps.
Terms and conditions are essentially the same for allfleets. Different fleets may have differentwork patterns, but the allowances but the concepts are about the same.
In talking to the A330 expat skippers, they are givencirca $2,000 per month for accommodation allowance. I guess the same terms and conditions willapply to the 777 expats too.
The $2000 can be used for a flat or nightly stays athotels at your assigned base. If theyroute you to a hotel in India that is not your base, then Jet Airways pays forthat hotel and you are accorded the traditional meal allowance which isbreakfast plus 2000 rupees a day. Hotelsprovide breakfast buffets. Lunch anddinner is on your own nickel, euro, pound krona, rupee or whatever your currencymay be. If you choose the hotel route,rostering arranges hotel accommodations. I can only speak of Mumbai and Chennaihotels. Mumbai is usually the Marriottin Lake Powai, or the Holiday Inn Express. Both decent places. Marriottgives you 1 hour of internet while the Holiday Inn provides you with unlimitedusage. Food is OK too.
Pay is usually the first week of the month. But sometimes, as has been read, the middleof the month. Jet has the cash andresources. Wonder why flights are beingcancelled, especially on the 737 fleet? Too many jets, too many routes, and not enough skippers.
There is no standby travel when traveling on one’s blockoff. It’s confirmed Economy. That is what is printed on the E-Ticket. If there is space, then one will be given aseat in business class. I’ve never beenin economy class traveling to or from Chennai. From Mumbai, however, a different story.
The manager of the expat cell is a good chap. He responds to emails quite fast. Like any manager, whining emails areconsidered to be a pain in the butt… but what airline doesn’t
I would recommend Jet. For the most part, management do their best to look after the expats.
Air Viet Nam has been rumored to be a place toavoid. Korean Air…mixed bag as far asreviews are concerned. Qatar… accordingto a few friends of mine there, the jury is still out. They were 777 skippers and put into theAirbus 320 fleet… so go figure.
I’ve met a bunch of young expat skippers on the ATR andBoeing. Great guys! They are taking advantage of the good pay fortheir futures if they choose to return to the US and join a major. They’ll have the extra funds in their bankaccounts to supplement the abysmal pay they can expect with US carriers.
Hope this helps.
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Consider only if...
...you're really desperate or hate your family (or vice versa...)
6 weeks on 2 weeks off! Think about that, is it worth? Lot's of looong stbys in the vibrant Mumbai, you gonna miss home after few days, too much loneliness.
And this is for nothing: there's no need to be 6 weeks at company disposal on widebody fleet.
The thing is you'll be a permanent stby for the local pilots: whenever they don't want to take a trip (because of the cricket game, holidays etc) they call and rostering pull an expat.
Most important: there's the new rules of Flight Duty Limit to be enforced late this month. They'll need you as relief pilot on long haul. You'll be mostly babysiting the locals.
But, basicly, the work pattern rotation is killing.
6 weeks on 2 weeks off! Think about that, is it worth? Lot's of looong stbys in the vibrant Mumbai, you gonna miss home after few days, too much loneliness.
And this is for nothing: there's no need to be 6 weeks at company disposal on widebody fleet.
The thing is you'll be a permanent stby for the local pilots: whenever they don't want to take a trip (because of the cricket game, holidays etc) they call and rostering pull an expat.
Most important: there's the new rules of Flight Duty Limit to be enforced late this month. They'll need you as relief pilot on long haul. You'll be mostly babysiting the locals.
But, basicly, the work pattern rotation is killing.
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Even if one does not break guaranty... take the monthly pay divided by the days in the month... voila... that's the pay for the day. If it is away from base, then add the per diem to that figure.
All in all not a bad deal. Carriers in China are offering similar contracts too.
So either way its a paycheck and a way to meet new friends.
All in all not a bad deal. Carriers in China are offering similar contracts too.
So either way its a paycheck and a way to meet new friends.
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Hi Captjins
Just out of curiosity: what was your Skymark interview outcome? Did you decided to try KAL and EK as well? Or still thinking about Vietnam? Maybe Qatar...
Share with us your next professional outlooks.
Looks like you're not exactly happy with JET!
Or am I missing something?
quote: "I would recommend Jet. For the most part, management do their best to look after the expats."
Share with us your next professional outlooks.
Looks like you're not exactly happy with JET!
Or am I missing something?
quote: "I would recommend Jet. For the most part, management do their best to look after the expats."
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On the contrary... I stand by my statement about 9W. Minimal overnights, good hotels, great dispatch in MAA. Travel to and from home go off without a hitch. It's unfortunate the Central Government and the DGCA can make life a challange at times. But reps from 9W have always been very helpful for Visa and FATA renewals.
F/O are extremely motivated when given the opportunity to fly too. Good guys and gals to fly with. Excellent and professional cabin crew too.
I've been an expat for many years and am always looking for new adventures and experiences. I would like to retrun to BBJing round the world. Let me know if you you hear of anything.
F/O are extremely motivated when given the opportunity to fly too
. Good guys and gals to fly with. Excellent and professional cabin crew too. I've been an expat for many years and am always looking for new adventures and experiences. I would like to retrun to BBJing round the world. Let me know if you you hear of anything.
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Fullforward,
My son lives with his family in India and now sees them more than ever. Just because you had or are having a bad time doesn't mean everybody who takes this contract will. People are different and some adapt and change things around to suit their lives better than others, jet and India are very flexible and you can mold your life more easily than other places, like kal for example where your family is not allowed to live and you only get 11 days off. My son sees his family and I did as well when I worked there nearly everyday. Way better than when I was gone 15 to 18 days in the states.
My son lives with his family in India and now sees them more than ever. Just because you had or are having a bad time doesn't mean everybody who takes this contract will. People are different and some adapt and change things around to suit their lives better than others, jet and India are very flexible and you can mold your life more easily than other places, like kal for example where your family is not allowed to live and you only get 11 days off. My son sees his family and I did as well when I worked there nearly everyday. Way better than when I was gone 15 to 18 days in the states.
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I did a 2 year contract at Jet Airways on the B777.
Generally a very enjoyable period during which they fulfilled their contractual obligations and so did I.
I was impressed from the outset when they thrust money in my hand for attending the sim/interview at AMS.
Generally a very enjoyable period during which they fulfilled their contractual obligations and so did I.
I was impressed from the outset when they thrust money in my hand for attending the sim/interview at AMS.
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Forget about you had: now there's a crappy contract, which only the old grannies living on good retirement pension gladly accept. Maybe because they are fed up of the ugly wife or of being bashed by the grandsons.
So as long as they sell themselves cheapely the market will continuously being degraded!
BTW, enjoy your retirement.
So as long as they sell themselves cheapely the market will continuously being degraded!
BTW, enjoy your retirement.
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Fullfoward I’m disappointed in your recent threads.
One needs to understand an individual’s motivation to accept any contract after retiring from their legacy carrier.
There are not many countries offering DEC 777 positions to those over age 55. That said, what are the alternatives??? Where can one over 55 find gainful employment? There are financial issues that remain on the table, due to economic situations at home and within retirement accounts that dictate decisions made in the attempt to maintain status quo. This is not limited to the aviation industry either.
In most cases, the primary considerations to accepting a contract abroad, be it aviation or non-aviation, by no means is a means of escaping a spouse, or the grandchildren. There are deeper considerations that are deliberated by family members before the signature appears on the bottom line on the contract.
Fullforward, I know of three situations where retired pilots do not have financial resources to provide funds for their children with families who are out of work, grandchildren who can’t afford a college education. What’s the alternative for someone who can still pass their First Class Medical???? Become a greeter at K-Mart??? Flip burgers at McDonalds? Some are forced to park the mobile home, put their retirement plans on hold, to supplement their retirement income to ensure their adult children are not evicted from their properties, their grandchildren can be provided with food on the table and clothes on their backs.
That said Fullforward, its not fair to criticize until the full facts are known. Perhaps a little compassion may be warranted for some who refuse to turn their back on their families in need.
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One needs to understand an individual’s motivation to accept any contract after retiring from their legacy carrier.
There are not many countries offering DEC 777 positions to those over age 55. That said, what are the alternatives??? Where can one over 55 find gainful employment? There are financial issues that remain on the table, due to economic situations at home and within retirement accounts that dictate decisions made in the attempt to maintain status quo. This is not limited to the aviation industry either.
In most cases, the primary considerations to accepting a contract abroad, be it aviation or non-aviation, by no means is a means of escaping a spouse, or the grandchildren. There are deeper considerations that are deliberated by family members before the signature appears on the bottom line on the contract.
Fullforward, I know of three situations where retired pilots do not have financial resources to provide funds for their children with families who are out of work, grandchildren who can’t afford a college education. What’s the alternative for someone who can still pass their First Class Medical???? Become a greeter at K-Mart??? Flip burgers at McDonalds? Some are forced to park the mobile home, put their retirement plans on hold, to supplement their retirement income to ensure their adult children are not evicted from their properties, their grandchildren can be provided with food on the table and clothes on their backs.
That said Fullforward, its not fair to criticize until the full facts are known. Perhaps a little compassion may be warranted for some who refuse to turn their back on their families in need.
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Fact
Of course there are people who needs the job desperately.
But I assure you that the vast majority is moved by despicable GREED or other less noble motivations.
These people don´t deserve any respect.
They are at the top of the ´food chain´ and are directly responsible for the degradation on overal conditions we see on this stage of our career.
They aren´t doing any better than the wannabees agreeing to pay for type ratings and work for less wages than the mentioned Wal Mart or McDonalds waiters.
Shame on all of them, degrading our profession, selling themselves so cheap.
By the way: did you decided between JET, Skymark, Emirates, Qatar, Vietnam...and...?
Good you´re free to choose everywhere in the world, not having to worry or miss anybody else! And vice-versa probably.
But I assure you that the vast majority is moved by despicable GREED or other less noble motivations.
These people don´t deserve any respect.
They are at the top of the ´food chain´ and are directly responsible for the degradation on overal conditions we see on this stage of our career.
They aren´t doing any better than the wannabees agreeing to pay for type ratings and work for less wages than the mentioned Wal Mart or McDonalds waiters.
Shame on all of them, degrading our profession, selling themselves so cheap.
By the way: did you decided between JET, Skymark, Emirates, Qatar, Vietnam...and...?
Good you´re free to choose everywhere in the world, not having to worry or miss anybody else! And vice-versa probably.
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OBP,
I know full is your buddy and your supporting him, but he has lied about the late pay, costs of living in bom, and much more, degraded fellow pilots and has completly flown off the deep end with his rants.
I currently know two 777 capts. Who yes have seen some changes for the worse, but pay is the same, travel pay is the same and the rotation is the same, the one large loss is half of the vacation time. Now with fifteen days you can do only two rotations with 3 weeks off instead of 4. They aren't flying as much as 4 years ago so some spend more time in bom which is not as great as it used to be when they were running the USA routes and wet leasing the birds out to gulf countries, but things never stay the same especially in India.
If you ask any pilot off or on the record if he works too much we will say yes, even if we work 3 days a month. I have never met a pilot who said he was paid too much and worked too little.
The pay isn't much different than other contracts out there. Some pay more some less, some are permenant some are tenuas like Jet. It's just a fit thing some guys like the good qualities of Jet others don't. All I ask is tell the truth and let people decide for themselves based off the real facts not ax grinding lies. Currently 5 of the 6 airlines are losing money in India, so I things will keep changing and they probably aren't going to give pay raises and more time off.
I know full is your buddy and your supporting him, but he has lied about the late pay, costs of living in bom, and much more, degraded fellow pilots and has completly flown off the deep end with his rants.
I currently know two 777 capts. Who yes have seen some changes for the worse, but pay is the same, travel pay is the same and the rotation is the same, the one large loss is half of the vacation time. Now with fifteen days you can do only two rotations with 3 weeks off instead of 4. They aren't flying as much as 4 years ago so some spend more time in bom which is not as great as it used to be when they were running the USA routes and wet leasing the birds out to gulf countries, but things never stay the same especially in India.
If you ask any pilot off or on the record if he works too much we will say yes, even if we work 3 days a month. I have never met a pilot who said he was paid too much and worked too little.
The pay isn't much different than other contracts out there. Some pay more some less, some are permenant some are tenuas like Jet. It's just a fit thing some guys like the good qualities of Jet others don't. All I ask is tell the truth and let people decide for themselves based off the real facts not ax grinding lies. Currently 5 of the 6 airlines are losing money in India, so I things will keep changing and they probably aren't going to give pay raises and more time off.
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Currently the new regs take effect the 25th of March.
Before going to India as a crewmember, undergoe a thorough medical with your AME at home.
Full blood work, EKG, TMT, Glucose Tolerance, etc. The Indian medical is conducted by the Indian Air Force to tighter standards than perhaps the FAA or EASA group.
You are on the company payroll the day you enter India for training. There is no training pay. You will be paid, even if you are sitting awaiting your FATA, and to take your medical too.
Before going to India as a crewmember, undergoe a thorough medical with your AME at home.
Full blood work, EKG, TMT, Glucose Tolerance, etc. The Indian medical is conducted by the Indian Air Force to tighter standards than perhaps the FAA or EASA group.
You are on the company payroll the day you enter India for training. There is no training pay. You will be paid, even if you are sitting awaiting your FATA, and to take your medical too.
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There only reason that justify keeping the 777 and A330 expats in India for such a long time is merely political: the local union, which basicaly have management under their knees, only 'allow' expats to be hired on the long haul fleet to use them as a luxury standbys. And of course there are not enough 737 captains to upgrade to the wide body fleet for now.
Every time a local captain refuses to take a trip due to the cricket game, or nefew marriage, etc an expat siting at the hotel is pulled.
No expat has been following the published roster whatsoever, never. Roster is a joke.
The local captains simply disrupt rostering at will and nothing happens to them.
If a decent rostering system could be established the expats would be able to fly up to 80 hours a month on 19 days ON. This would be way more efficient and cost effective. But nobody cares.
They want the expats sitting at the hotel waiting for the phone ring.
6 weeks away from family is inhumane, cruel, good only for the desperates or the ones that simply don't care about family (and vice versa...)
And this 'commuting' is farcical.
Every time a local captain refuses to take a trip due to the cricket game, or nefew marriage, etc an expat siting at the hotel is pulled.
No expat has been following the published roster whatsoever, never. Roster is a joke.
The local captains simply disrupt rostering at will and nothing happens to them.
If a decent rostering system could be established the expats would be able to fly up to 80 hours a month on 19 days ON. This would be way more efficient and cost effective. But nobody cares.
They want the expats sitting at the hotel waiting for the phone ring.
6 weeks away from family is inhumane, cruel, good only for the desperates or the ones that simply don't care about family (and vice versa...)
And this 'commuting' is farcical.
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I would like to know what contract is better than jets? Emirates, Qatar, Etihad, all pay about the same or less and don't allow commuting at all. Korean is a commuting contract, but there is a 500 page threads stating how horrible that contract is. Sin isn't hiring, cathey is non commuting. Please tell me where this magical high paying, two week on two week off, home based 777 contract is, I have a bunch of friends looking for it.
Jet is the only company I know who pays guys for 6 months, who go out on medical failure. I know of two guys who will retire from jet having never flown the aircraft.
Seriously, what is the gold standard contract which jet is being compared against? You can't compare your local airline with an expat contract. Apples to apples.
Jet is the only company I know who pays guys for 6 months, who go out on medical failure. I know of two guys who will retire from jet having never flown the aircraft.
Seriously, what is the gold standard contract which jet is being compared against? You can't compare your local airline with an expat contract. Apples to apples.