Vietnam Airlines (info please)

[stardustcologne]

@ Cornelio,

just try these agencies like Parc Aviation or Rishworth, they hire for Vietnam Airlines - at least pilots' jobs. They have a site for maintenance crew as well, maybe they have any job for you.
But you can also try any other of those agencies, I guess all or at least most of them support maintenance crews as well. You will have to register there, but don't hesitate to get in contact with them via E-Mail or phone and ask what you want to know.
Good luck!

[olepilot]

UALSIC, you can apply to both Rish and Parc.
I was, at the same day, told by Rishworth that I didn't have enough hours and by PARC that I was welcome to screening.

[UALSIC]

Much appreciated Ole

[flamingmoe]

With 8000hrs TT, 4000hrs 737NG, 700 command NG, and a 777 type rating, would it be possible to go on the Boeing as a captain? Or would it have to be F/O?

[Lost in Saigon]

Originally Posted by flamingmoe

With 8000hrs TT, 4000hrs 737NG, 700 command NG, and a 777 type rating, would it be possible to go on the Boeing as a captain? Or would it have to be F/O?

Sorry, Unless you have a current 777 rating AND at least 500 hours recent 777 time, you are not employable at Vietnam Airlines. Not as a Captain, and not even as a First Officer.

[stardustcologne]

If you ask for 777:
My last information is that they require at least 1000 hrs on type for a F/O position on B777 (a few months ago via Parc).
But maybe you should just ask them and just try. I made the experience: when they don't find enough who fit in the requirements, they will go below requirements, but it was a lot of years ago. Just try it. Apply.

[stardustcologne]

Hey, after complaining here I suddenly got mail. Maybe I should have complained earlier...

But please, was it like this in past as well: I have to pay for my travel to screening in advance (ticket, hotel, I don't know, everything) and I will get money back only after positive screening?? That's strange... and expensive. Ooookaaaay.

Does VAC give any documents about tax payment over there? I will need it here. Anyway it was not so sure for me after reading the standard contract version if tax is already paid with the salary or not. I asked the agency again, I will see what they say. Before I was sure payment would be after tax. Now I am not.

[Lost in Saigon]

Your pay is free of any Vietnam Taxes. It is all paid by Vietnam Airlines. Depending on your circumstances, some other countries might want a piece of it, but it is up to you to figure that part out.

[Dream Land]

In the past, tickets to interviews were paid by the contractor in advance.

[stardustcologne]

Thanks a lot for answer!
I misunderstood the wording in the contract. Yes, tickets within VAC network are free (except ticket tax as far as I understood). So it will just be the accomodation over there where screening takes place. And this will be paid back by agency after successful check.
Ok, so this salary will be the value with which I can count, there won't be any xx% subtracted. That's nice to hear.
I will have to find out how to keep peace with my home tax system.

But step by step. First I will have to pass screening, then the next step. Thanks for answer!

[mach 84]

best to avoid the tax man in your home country is to deregister there and register with your embassy in vietnam as an expat. doing this for the last 6 years and it works.

[Lost in Saigon]

Each country has it's own rules, so it's best to get advice from an expert.

[Jimmy Do Little]

Does VAC give any documents about tax payment over there? I will need it here. Anyway it was not so sure for me after reading the standard contract version if tax is already paid with the salary or not. I asked the agency again, I will see what they say. Before I was sure payment would be after tax. Now I am not.

VAC will provide a document stating that Tax Obligations in Vietnam have been satisfied (I’ve received them in the past). Several countries have “bi-lateral” tax treaties with Vietnam, therefore a PORTION of whatever taxes levied against you by your home country would be off-set, subject to the information which follows:


Firstly, a word about Tax Treaties


Tax treaties set out clear ground rules that govern tax matters relating to trade and investment between the two countries. A tax treaty is intended to mesh the tax systems of the two countries so that there is little potential for dispute regarding the amount of tax that should be paid to each country. The goal is to ensure that taxpayers do not end up caught in the middle between two governments, each of which claims taxing jurisdiction over the same income. A treaty with clear rules addressing the most likely areas of disagreement minimizes the time the two governments (and taxpayers) spend in resolving individual disputes.


One of the primary functions of tax treaties is to provide certainty to taxpayers regarding the threshold question with respect to international taxation: whether a taxpayer’s cross-border activities will subject it to taxation by two or more countries. Tax treaties answer this question by establishing the minimum level of economic activity that must be engaged in within a country by a resident of the other country before the first country may tax any resulting business profits; wages; salaries; allowances; etc. In general terms, tax treaties provide that if the branch operations in a foreign country have sufficient substance and continuity, the country where those activities occur will have primary (but not exclusive) jurisdiction to tax. In other cases, where the operations in the foreign country are relatively minor,(i.e; salaried workers) the home country retains the sole jurisdiction to tax its residents.



Personal income tax (From Ministry of Finance of Vietnam)
Effective April 21, 2008


Personal Income Tax


There are currently four categories of taxpayers in Vietnam:
• Vietnamese citizens residing in Vietnam,
• Vietnamese citizens working, or on business trips, outside of Vietnam,
• Individuals who do not have Vietnamese citizenship but reside in Vietnam indefinitely, and
• Foreigners working in Vietnam including those who do not live in Vietnam but have income which is sourced in Vietnam.

Foreigners are deemed to be resident for tax purposes if they reside in Vietnam for an aggregate of 183 days or more within 12 consecutive months since their arrival in Vietnam, although this may be substantially changed by tax treaties.


Resident foreigners are subject to progressive tax rates; those who are not resident are liable to a single 25% tax on income earned in Vietnam if they spend between 30 days and 182 days in Vietnam.


Only foreigners who spend fewer than 30 days in Vietnam are exempt from income tax.


Taxable Income


Incomes which are subject to personal income tax include the following:


Regular income in the form of: salaries, wages, allowances and bonuses; income derived from scientific or technical services, technology transfer, licensing of rights to use inventions or trademarks, IT services, consultancy or training services or agency services; income from royalties; broking commissions; and other income not included in salaries or wages derived from business production or provision of services which is not subject to corporate income tax.


Irregular income derived from technology transfer and lottery winnings.


Non-Taxable Income


Non-taxable income includes:
• Traveling allowances;
• Allowances for toxicity and danger;
• Allowances for positions, allowances for responsibility with respect to officials and State employees;
• Regional allowances, incentive allowances and special allowances for work in offshore islands and border areas which have extremely harsh living conditions;
• Allowances for seniority with respect to the armed forces, customs, and cipher;
• Special allowances for certain industries and trades as stipulated by law;
• Allowances for officials who carried out revolutionary activities prior to 1945;
• Other allowances from the State Budget;
• Allowances for business trips;
• Fixed meal allowances for certain special industries and trades in accordance with regimes stipulated by the State;
• Social benefits for those entitled to social security and other benefits from the State Budget;
• Insurance compensation payments in respect of personal and property insurance policies;
• Retrenchment payments in accordance with regimes stipulated by the State;
• Allowances for relocation of production establishments, including one-off allowances for transferring to another region;
• Monetary prizes for technical innovations and inventions, international awards, and national awards organized by the State of Vietnam;
• Monetary prizes accompanying titles bestowed by the State, such as professor, people's teacher, workers' hero, and hero of the people's armed forces and other titles bestowed by the State; awards or other benefits from the State Budget;
• Money paid into social insurance or health insurance from salaries and wages of workers;
• Profits of the owner of a private business which is subject to corporate income tax.


Temporary Exemption


Interest income received from bank deposits and bank savings, profits from purchases of term bonds, ordinary bonds and Government bonds, income from investment in securities, and the difference on purchase and sale of securities are temporarily exempted from income tax.


Progressive Rates - Regular Income

For Vietnamese citizens and other individuals residing in Vietnam:

Level Average monthly per capita income (unit: 1,000 VND) Rate (%)
1 to 5,000 0
2 over 5,000 up to 15,000 10
3 over 15,000 up to 25,000 20
4 over 25,000 up to 40,000 30
5 over 40,000 40

For foreign residents in Vietnam and Vietnamese citizens working or on business trips overseas:

Level Average monthly per capita income (unit: 1,000 VND) Rate (%)
1 to 8,000 0
2 over 8,000 up to 20,000 10
3 over 20,000 up to 50,000 20
4 over 50,000 up to 80,000 30
5 over 80,000 40


For foreigners who are not residents of Vietnam, the flat tax rate is 25% of the total taxable income.


Contractually, your taxes obligations are clearly stated in the following clauses:

The Contractor undertakes and accepts responsibility to discharge promptly all Income Tax, National and Social Security and all other tax obligations arising in any jurisdiction (With the exception of Vietnam) in connection with his earnings hereunder and shall Keep (Name of Agency) fully indemnified in this respect.


Vietnam Airlines has warranted to (Name of Agency) that all tax obligations in connection with the contractors earnings hereunder imposed by the Vietnamese Government shall be borne in full by Vietnam Airlines.

There are some interesting things to note with regards to the Taxes.

• The following statement is of great interest; "...foreigners working in Vietnam including those who do not live in Vietnam but have income which is sourced in Vietnam…”

1. This statement would indicate that since your salary comes from monies that are paid to your agency, by Vietnam Airlines, that those monies could be considered as “Sourced” from Vietnam.
   1. Another argument could be, that your salary is paid BY YOUR agency, thus it could be considered as sourced elsewhere.
   2. What’s the answer? Honestly, I don’t know.
2. It’s also interesting to note, that your “…salary and ALLOWANCES…” are considered taxable in Vietnam.
   1. In many countries, “Allowances” are not taxed, therefore the 25% obligation in Vietnam, would seem to go further in many other countries:

I.e.: An example from my home countries tax system – (Tax Treaty with Vietnam.)
• Vietnam Salary and Allowances = $96,000 (25% = $24,000)
• Home country calculation - salary only - $60,000 = (35% = $21,000)
• Result = I pay no additional taxes in my home country.(has worked this way for the past several years)

Conclusion

What does appear absolute is that your salary in Vietnam is taxed, and that rate is 25%. Furthermore, Vietnam Airlines has a contractual obligation to pay that tax on your behalf.


Therefore, if your country has a “Tax Treaty” with Vietnam, you should be able to consider 25% of your home countries tax obligation as “Fulfilled”. With the additional costs associated with working outside of your home country, it’s likely that these costs would reduce your taxable income to below the 25% threshold of your home country.


Some good advice is - as “Lost in Saigon” indicated - check with a Certified Tax Accountant or an Attorney in your home country.

[wakarandi]

how much cost the "economy ticket" for the days off

Hi! I just received the contract and I am considering work in Vietnam. My question is this; Does the contract pays the ticket to go home and comeback to vietnam on the "off" days? I received on the contract that we should have "return economy ticket", and I was trying to clarified more the term "economy" and Rshwrth told me that the ticket is free, on Vietnam Airlines network. ¿any body has more information about it?
Thank you!!

[olepilot]

yes you get a free return ticket on VN network.
economy, but uprade to business if seats available

[youwantmetodowhat]

BTW everyone/anyone thinking of going to Vietnam it seems that the 4/4; 5/3 contracts on offer for pilots joining or already there is just not available any more. Is this true? I have also heard that the roster nightmares are true on the Bus. They are 3 A/C short of crews on the 320/1 fleet and there was an incident a week ago that can really only been put down to a basic error caused by the experienced Captain being exhausted due to flying too much. Surely they (management) need to/will learn from this...time will tell. But hey it may be only a rumour....

[jumpdrive]

dont worry pal' youll always go 1st class
no matter if its holidays or just going to hanoi for your medical
ive never seen it full on international flights
always half or empty, domestic maybe on the 320
but on the widebodies, no problem

[MyShout]

ia1166 and dreamland...did you guys kiss and make up or something (like one of you has left it sounded pretty bad, the rostering that is). What happened that was getting really interesting or has the rostering got sorted out....

[confirm-finals?]

Does anyone have any information on a330 sim check? Similar to a320?

[Dream Land]

Pilots for VNA don't really have a choice, the pilot base is in Hochiminh City, the hot spots include Phu My Hung (Dist 7), an all new area with close proximity to Intl. schools, a French hospital and lots of restaurants, also close to Dist 1, another hot spot is An Phu(Dist 2 & 9) which has a lot of new housing and also close to schools. Most families are in those two main locations.

In Hanoi I have a friend in the luxury Villas at Hanoi Ciputra, a very impressive village near West Lake, security guards on all main corners throughout the village and strategically located between Hanoi and the airport.

Good luck, D.L.