Hijacked MAS flight MH 653 on 4th December 1977
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MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too
Wait a minute, I thought debonaire1900 wrote something that he had heard 4 shots on the ATC tapes! Any old timers care to elaborate? You guys must have heard the tapes during some previous SEP classes.
MH 653 did not dive at 30000 fpm, as per the FDR it did a series of stall and recoveries(consistent with A/P off and no pilot intervention...there were 3 shots ...so appearently the hijacker shot himself too
Wait a minute, I thought debonaire1900 wrote something that he had heard 4 shots on the ATC tapes! Any old timers care to elaborate? You guys must have heard the tapes during some previous SEP classes.
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Hi rajamuda, it was a long time ago since we heard the CVR recordings but I think there were only 3 shots. Someone must have read some report somewhere of a " third and final shot " and misinterpreted it as if there was a third and another shot after that.
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As far as I can remember the CVR was never played or transcribed for general consumption at SEP training or any other educational purposes. This is due to the fact that it is still in a safe classified as a national secret.
The FDR findings and CVR was however played to a select few senior management officials before it was sealed as described above. Therefore anybody on this site that claims to have had access to this information is or was a very senior company representative, government official with appropriate clearances or a bull**** artist. Or one of the few that received accurate secondhand feedback.
I can however tell you with reasonable accuracy that ofter dear old Babu was killed the 737 went into a nose dive power on and went mach shortly thereafter. There was no chance of intervention from cabin crew or passengers as the FO was already dead, the killer was in the cockpit and the subsequent attitude and associated "G" forces would have made any attempt to move around impossible. I personally agree with this recollection of events because the wreckage / debris field supports a high speed near vertical attitude impact at high speed with the whole aircraft remains deposited in a very small radii from the nose section which incidentally took months to resurface from the swampy ground.
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The FDR findings and CVR was however played to a select few senior management officials before it was sealed as described above. Therefore anybody on this site that claims to have had access to this information is or was a very senior company representative, government official with appropriate clearances or a bull**** artist. Or one of the few that received accurate secondhand feedback.
I can however tell you with reasonable accuracy that ofter dear old Babu was killed the 737 went into a nose dive power on and went mach shortly thereafter. There was no chance of intervention from cabin crew or passengers as the FO was already dead, the killer was in the cockpit and the subsequent attitude and associated "G" forces would have made any attempt to move around impossible. I personally agree with this recollection of events because the wreckage / debris field supports a high speed near vertical attitude impact at high speed with the whole aircraft remains deposited in a very small radii from the nose section which incidentally took months to resurface from the swampy ground.
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Capt Wooblah; back in around 1983/83 just after Ah Kia's prang at Kampung Subang, a few top and mid level management pilots were ordered to attend a hush hush meeting ( actually nothing to do with safety; more to do with PR with news media and insurance people ) where snippets of the CVR recordings of MH 653 were played. Snippets because they were not continuous playback ( some stuff has been snipped off ). One of the snippets I believe contained the 3 shots mentioned. The attendees would be very reluctant to tell more because people could figure out who they were. As I said the meeting had nothing to do with safety but how to cover arses if foreign press or insurance people started asking difficult questions. Until today, I still can't fathom the rationale of playing the snippets to the attendees except to hold them captive to something sinister!
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Hi Nasree,
Yes you are correct about the tapes. I feel after all these years the victims families should be told the truth and some form of closure should given to all. But in boleh land I guess we need more safes to hide all the crap our so called leaders have been doing with our money.
And yes the kampong folk were really happy about the free land clearance the A300 made for the new paddy fields. The old bus burnt to the ground just after the last passenger departed the airframe. A sad case for all concerned. Just a small switch can cause so much ****.
Wooblah.
Yes you are correct about the tapes. I feel after all these years the victims families should be told the truth and some form of closure should given to all. But in boleh land I guess we need more safes to hide all the crap our so called leaders have been doing with our money.
And yes the kampong folk were really happy about the free land clearance the A300 made for the new paddy fields. The old bus burnt to the ground just after the last passenger departed the airframe. A sad case for all concerned. Just a small switch can cause so much ****.
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Remembering Babu
An uncle who was a doctor once confided in me that he was Capt. Ganjoor's doctor when he first joined MAS. Apparently Babu had poor eyesight and needed help to pass his eye test to get to 6/6 vision. He was referred to my uncle by the then AME who wanted to help Babu get the job. He said Babu was indeed a true gentleman, very friendly and generally very knowlegeable. He managed to get Babu through the eye test and signed off the medical clearance for the DCA. Maybe it is fated; had he not get the job in MAS, Babu could still be alive and MAS old timers would not have privilege of knowing a sireh chewing captain!
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CVR tapes
Captain Wooblah, with due respect you are not quite right about the CVR recordings. Back in the 80s, even the junior fleet managers, assistant fms and instructors were summoned to meetings where the tragic MH 653 CVR recordings were played. Like nasree said, the CVR recordings played might have been snippets meant for limited consumption...however if my memory serves me right there were only 3 shots heard.
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Mat Sweeper, you are absolutely right. However, snippets were played in some very selected SEP classes and these snippets were probably doctored. The recordings played at the hush hush meetings of chief pilots, fleet managers and instructors had more details if I remember right. Other than that I can say no more..........
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Aha, finally some people are coming forth with more info. Hey guys, with the advent of the internet more details will surface. It is hope that some old timers in the UTK, DCA, ACA, MAS, ( the old MACC ), SB and other agencies will share with us the secrets which they can get off their chests before they meet their Maker.
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Loose talk about MH653 at Visitors
Visitors, nice food, good gossip and great place to keep up with developments in bolehland. When talk came to the MH 653 tragedy amny younger pilots like me do not really know much; wonder why the senior blokes do not want to share whatever info they have before they kick the buck......
Well, the topic turned to latest developments in tanahair......kecohlah! One item stood out, someone ask about the ex SQ turncoat who was always rubbing people the wrong way, a certain reinu balakrishnan; nybody knows whether he was sacked from MH or he left for AK???
Well, the topic turned to latest developments in tanahair......kecohlah! One item stood out, someone ask about the ex SQ turncoat who was always rubbing people the wrong way, a certain reinu balakrishnan; nybody knows whether he was sacked from MH or he left for AK???
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Dey Sapu, it will help your future if you are more respectful to your elders. Talking about seniors kicking the buck.....is totally biadap. Hope the sand in the sandpit has not cleaned out all your grey matter.
I am sure you are trying to fish for confirmation if rain-who is the rainy sop who was the hard core surrogate of the pariah lato..............you are on the right track son.
I am sure you are trying to fish for confirmation if rain-who is the rainy sop who was the hard core surrogate of the pariah lato..............you are on the right track son.
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reinu balakrishnan is a real nut case causing loads of problem for all levels of employees in MAS and he was summarily sacked. He abuses his authority at every turn, off loading crew who did not succumb to his whims and fancies, report sick at the very last minute, taping conversations with crew and engineers/artisans and making all kinds of nonsensical allegations. He left SIA under a cloud and was recruited by 001 under the auspices of the camel to come to MAS for an accelerated command programme, what a disaster.
To answer your question Mat, he was sacked. No, he is not at AK as far as I know. He is probably earning his keeps as a gomen cybertrooper trolling the internet fora and blogs posting puerile stuff as an agent provocateur. Many guys think that he is in cohoots with the pariah lato and doing cyber intelligence work, thinking all the Malay pilots are too stupid for expose his agenda until someone outed them in earlier posts which were unfortunately deleted.
To answer your question Mat, he was sacked. No, he is not at AK as far as I know. He is probably earning his keeps as a gomen cybertrooper trolling the internet fora and blogs posting puerile stuff as an agent provocateur. Many guys think that he is in cohoots with the pariah lato and doing cyber intelligence work, thinking all the Malay pilots are too stupid for expose his agenda until someone outed them in earlier posts which were unfortunately deleted.
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Wikipedia info on MH 653 hijack
I am very intrigued by this tragedy. The Wikipedia information seems highly at odds with most of the posts in this thread. There were quite a number of VIPs and CIPs on the flight which added to a lot of speculation. During that period, the Japanese Red Army was very active in the international arena and according to reports, the hijacker had a Japanese accent. Furthermore there was also a hijack of a Vietnamese jetliner around that time. In the wake of the end of the Vietnam War, the political situation in South East Asia was highly fluid and I think that would have factored in the investigations by the experts.
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Eric no offence to you mate. Since you are a newbe,you have not realized this thread is not about the actual hijacked flight anylonger. It`s taken a turn towards the wacky pariah lato and his equally wacky surrogate. Interesting to note the latest to join the pariah bandwagon – MAS dropout! Bring it on guys,after all this is PPRUNE!
Here`s another thing – rainy & reinu!!! Similarity or plain coincidence!!! Balls in your court guys,fire away.
Here`s another thing – rainy & reinu!!! Similarity or plain coincidence!!! Balls in your court guys,fire away.
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Reinu sued the company for wrong dismissal. I think he won the first round of the battle. The evidence he has piled up against MAS is overwhelming. Police reports were lodged against wrong doers.
He is expecting a windfall of 30 million or so he doesn't has to work.
Bumped into him at MAA and listened to his side of the story. He might sound silly but he has some good points. The bhai is a different story. Saw him last month and bumped into him and he as arrogant as ever ...and getting uglier...ugh..spit
He is expecting a windfall of 30 million or so he doesn't has to work.
Bumped into him at MAA and listened to his side of the story. He might sound silly but he has some good points. The bhai is a different story. Saw him last month and bumped into him and he as arrogant as ever ...and getting uglier...ugh..spit
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If I have my way I would certainly not have disclose the identities of rainy and debby. Now they are watching their backs...you guys who exposed them should have been more savvy and save the good stuff for a good kill later or a mighty good laugh. Don't be too eager for the " touche ", PLAY ALONG AND SEE HOW FAR this asses go with their lies ala lato pariah bayee.