I think you people ( vtango and garfieldslaststand ) have mistaken 9ball for someone else..... also, grow up !!!!..... there is no need to slander people (old and new) in this thread. Our concerns as cadets far outweighs any of your bickering and character assasination so if you don't have anything nice to say about someone then shut the hell up because this is not helping.
You people are UNBELIEVABLE !!!......... Crab mentality sets in again...
Hmmm, well if you think we are mistaking him, take a look at his blog ! Looks like the exact same post to me. Now who is mistaken ? It is just another one of his aliases.
Well, the saga of Clark Aviation continues. I have remained quiet about this embarrassment to the Philippine Aviation Community up until now.
Apart from having promised over 100 cadets an MPL License and rides in an A320 to complete their license, there are still many cadets who are a long way from seeing any kind of license. In fact, I know of a few cadets who are paying out of their own pockets to get their Commercial/IR at another Philippine Aviation School, just to show that they have something for their more than three year association with Clark Aviation.
Clark Aviation has a reputation for not paying their bills, not delivering on the courses they promise, they treat their staff abysmally and are incapable of showing any kind of professionalism towards their day to day operations, the aviation community and their own cadets.
The following photos speak for them selves, the alphas being loaded up onto a low bed to be hauled away to some hidden location. More than likely, the useful bits will be removed and sold and there will only be useless hulks remaining ..
A warning to all considering purchase of these aircraft, they were imported tax and duty free and have been subject to continuous parts removal by CA who refused to buy the correct spare parts.
Anyone who knows anything about aircraft will shudder at the way these aircraft were loaded ...
Let the photos speak for them selves .. (Taken before lunch today .. These are of the third aircraft, the first one nearly fell off whilst loading it on the low bed, unfortunately I did not get a photo of it)
(Oh, I forgot to mention, they took the wings off yesterday whilst it was raining, they were left sitting in the rain on the ground)
[pictures not shown for brevity, but they are exactly the same]
looks conclusive to me.
tsk tsk tsk this 9ball cupp*tt guy is courting trouble.
what's the problem with removing the fleet anyway? how is that a "blow to the MPL"?
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I believe Clark Aviation still has one flyable Alpha in addition to their Cessnas. The other Alphas were just taking up space at Omni. Instead of paying rent, CIA probably decided to store them elsewhere. They're still good for spares at the very least. I don't see anything sinister about that, just smart conservation of resources.
I know Mark Cupitt personally. I have read all the posts by 9ball that haven't been deleted. Pilipino yan. Medyo obvious. It's not Mark. If you want to launch a personal attack against an individual, you will be more credible if you get your facts straight first. This is a rumor network. But the best rumors are those well-based in fact.
Whoever wrote that article with the pics of CIA's dismantled Alphas wrote:
"Anyone who knows anything about aircraft will shudder at the way these aircraft were loaded ...
"Let the photos speak for them selves .. (Taken before lunch today .. These are of the third aircraft, the first one nearly fell off whilst loading it on the low bed, unfortunately I did not get a photo of it)
"(Oh, I forgot to mention, they took the wings off yesterday whilst it was raining, they were left sitting in the rain on the ground)"
Heck, the airplanes were sitting out in the rain and sun for ages. Setting the wings on the ground and letting them get wet for a few more minutes would cause no appreciable additional damage. Anyone who knows anything about aircraft would know that.
The MPL was conceived during a period of mass hiring worldwide. Airlines all over were scraping the bottom of the barrel for warm bodies to fill their cockpits. During the mass hiring at PAL in the early 80's, a VP told me, "If Satan walked in tomorrow with an ATPL, I'd hire him!"
The MPL program guarantees a supply of first officers well-qualified for that position by virtue of the extremely focused type-specific training. When we first heard rumors of the MPL, everyone was leery to say the best. But after several years of flying with A320 and A319 first officers that came from heaven knows where, I think I would not mind flying with an MPL holder.
But the airline business is a volatile one. The best corporate planners and human resources divisions in the world could not have predicted the global economic crisis. Who could have prevented our downgrading to Category 2 by the FAA? We all know the answer to that but at least he doesn't work there anymore. All the same, airline expansion and consequent crew hiring was snookered.
Now there is a huge slowdown in airline hiring. Suddenly nobody is in a hurry to hire low time pilots. The only airlines who are hiring actively have their pick of experienced crew, many on furlough from other airlines.
Those MPL candidates already in the pipeline who have been sponsored by 5J are lucky. 5J has spent millions for them and will probably not write off their training cost and leave them swinging in the wind. 5J probably has more sense than PAL who trained Zest's first pilots for free.
It would be wonderful if 5J could absorb the self-sponsored CIA cadets but, to paraphrase an earlier contributor, nobody owes them anything beyond the training for which they paid. These guys should be thinking of alternatives as early as now. In my humble opinion, the best option is to go for additional training to get a proper CPL/IR. Think of it as an en route diversion. Only a minuscule minority of all CPL/IR holders will get to fly the big iron. But only those who are available will even have a chance.
Never lose track of your destination. But don't forget to enjoy the journey itself.
Fish & Chips, I think the fact that the guy has been living in the islands for long means he should know his tagalog, but really who cares? if you really believe what you say that this is a rumor network, then your defending him should also be taken with a grain of salt, shouldnt' it?
anyway, just to move this thread forward, my caap connections tell me that they have been mighty impressed with the performance of ALL the MPL cadets in the sim checks. of course we all know that is not "all-conclusive" in the sense that the real test is on line. in that regard, the Cebu cadets have been proving the MPL very well, in fact so well that there is talk of possibly decreasing the number of TAGS. that should be welcome news for Cebu Pacific and of course, the cadets.
well it's been 6 months since the first MPL guys graduated, and Cebu now has around 20 MPL cadets chasing their flight hours (i wonder what the FOs in Cebu really feel about that? i hear most, if not all 5J senior pilots are supportive of the venture, though.)
also, i am not sure if that has been brought up in this thread, but non cebu guys only need to do the TAGS to get the MPL even without an airline partner. i was pleasantly surprised with that news, but it seems to me in the way they talked that it's really old news. can anybody confirm? if so, what CA only needs is an airline TAGS provider.
Mountaintop, you are correct. I wouldn't give a rat's ass to know who wrote that article. And Mark might be able to order a beer in Tagalog.
I'm really happy that there are developments favoring the MPL pilots. Having ridden the aviation roller coaster for almost 4 decades, I know quite well what it's like to be all dressed up with nowhere to go.
Timing is everything in this game. It took me less than four years to get my first command in the airline. Recently I've seen guys do it in two - in jets even. It's a matter of being in the right place at the right time with the right qualifications. Take every opportunity to stack the cards in your favor.
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