paolylo

from our side of things, Batches F-H (formerly course 5 and some from 6) are still pretty much stuck at VFR with the wind, the weather, and the Clark Development Corporation (to a certain extent) not cooperating... not to mention our flying saunas needing a 10 kt wind from the south to clear a hundred-plus-foot high tension wire each time runway 20 OMNI is in use. the latest rumor is that we'll be sent to Subic in a couple of weeks if the VFR situation won't get any better.

the rest of the VFR guys have started flying C-152's and C-172's at OMNI. 2 more C-172's (supposedly instrument rated and equipped with G600's) will be coming in this week to hasten the IFR stage. while that dinosaur of a C-152 the school leased (RP-C2670) will be returned.

funnydaytoday2

Dont you mean the C- 172 RPC 2670. the famous plane that was rented with alot of problems...

paolylo

^right C-172, my apologies.

rq4globalhawk

I've been following this thread for the past few months and I note that the first batch will graduate in October. The MPL program is a good concept if properly handled and I wish you fellows all the best .... hope to fly with you soon!

funnydaytoday2

does anyone know why the GM and he's Asst went to thailand last week.. really curious to know since there's nothing in thailand thats connected to CA.... Looks more like a joy ride on CA 's money...

ZFT

If you mean the week before - APATS 2008

funnydaytoday2

Yep. thats the week.. Some of us are wondering cause APATS conference was only for two days, they stayed there a week it seems.. so did they go to the conference or did they go there for something else. either way it would be nice to know di ba... I personally dont belive they went to the conference... just my 2 cents.

nanaplaza

They had a management meeting at NANA PLAZA soi 4, Brian Hogan the "commission man" held the lead to the meeting together with a turban and another Bombay from AIM. At our expense of course. I acctually saw them there together with the local talents selling their trade.

B747-800

Saw Brian the other day in SIN, thought he had left already the 5J organisation?

B747-800

And he told me in SIN that he is working now there as consultant for some companies. Watta bummer!

funnydaytoday2

look's like its back to the same old story as before where the management, CEO and all the rest of them are doing there secret little meeting's and decision's behind the students back's. And we never get to hear about it...
This new GM and he's Asst seem to be useless to all the students.
So who is the new CEO of CA then? Is there a nominated person.....
Well it would'nt be a CA meeting without them pretty girls now would it..

jtcbclark

looks like from your email you are a student of CA. but how could you have seen them in nana plaza (if indeed they went there) if you were here in clark? you make all us in this thread look stupid. well, if you were really based in Bangkok as per your profile who just joined this October and posted just a single note in PPRuNe, how would you know about these people in Clark and incidentally saw them in nana plaza? What a coincidence! Unless you are actually from here and just added another new name again in PPRuNe and spreading lies!

here's what I think. You changed your name again so you won't be recognized as you are once again a very new member of this thread but you have a lot of angst to grind. i thought you (is that you JT/CB) were booted out of CA because of your incompetence leaving the school cash strap with 100+ students unable to graduate? and of course, to hide your mismanagement you’re putting the blame on to the bombays of this world.

now that they infused the necessary capital and installed the new management to make things work, you and your buddy once again enter the scene instigating the students and bad mouthing the company on mismanagement of contracts and training that were actually under you care then so you can divert the blame to the new management and of course to the bombays. great work!

JT/CB, you treated us like sh*t and the employees are now willing to petition you as undesirable aliens. while i personally don’t know these new people from the management, we would rather have anyone than the two of you jokers around. why don’t you try visiting CA again so i can inform the cook you illegally dismissed; i heard he has been waiting for you so he can hang your heads in his kitchen. that bad, ha?

for the other people in this thread, my apologies. if you want to know what’s really going on in the school please talk to the students or to the employees and see for yourself how things have changed after these charlatans left the management of the company. Don’t listen to these impostors pretending to be students in this forum as they can no longer embezzle the funds of the school.
probably that’s why they know what nana plaza is because these gangsters who are not welcome in their own countries run brothels in this country.
by the way Jonathan Thorp and Christer Bigander, don’t pretend to be Filipinos, you are not!

jtcbclark

if this was how you did business when you were still managing CA, not anymore. are you and nana plaza one and the same?

funnydaytoday2

sorry to burst your little bubble of glory there jtcbclark..
but i have no affiliation with JT or CB. nore have i ever really met them... so before you start pointing your finger again, you should get your facts right...
but let me explain to you why im asking what im asking, just so you know why. The reason im so concerned about the new management is because of what happened with the old management. We, the students, all suffered so much under the hands of those other people. And this management has done nothing to prove to us "yet" that they can be trusted. You seem to forget that the key management that actually controled CA during those days are still around...you think things have really changed?? please... the GM and he's Asst are but puppets for these guys..
So yes... We the students have every right to know what's happening with the school, we the students have every right to know what the management are doing... We have that right..

fernandeztv

Funnydaytoday2....I too am a cadet at CA. From my user id, its very clear as to who i am and where i come from.

So can we please know as to who you really are and in which batch you belong to? Reason why i am asking you is that if you ask anyone from course 1 to course 6...they all know the transformation that CA has undergone since june 2008. IF you are somebody from batch 1 to 6...please come over to dorm F...i will treat you to a drink and we can talk!

Till June 2008 i along with my bathmates were very concerned as to what will happen to us. there was an immense possibility that the school might just shut down and put an end to many dreams. Guys like me who are non sponsored had paid up in FULL even before i set my foot in Philippines. I was literally staring at Bankruptcy as i had sold me house and possessions and borrowed money to pay my tution fee. (and provide for my family also in my absence).

However now the things have changed for the better (as you can verify IF you just come to school and see for yourself).

I alway choose to ignore the Bumbay/Bombays bashing that some of my suppossedly fellow cadets (u never know whothey are!) keep posting at regular intervals in this thread. Is it of any use to anybody?!?

If you even care to ready my posts you should be aware that batch A cadets all are on track to graduate in Oct/Nov. This is as was planned by the mgmt and conveyed to the students by the students affairs officer a few months back. Nobody believed that the school would turn around. But now as a cadet when you can SEE the results for yourself. Should it really matter as to who is running the show? What one should be more concerned about is to see how his/her training is progressing and whether a clear path is visible in the future for the training to proceed. (That was ABSENT a few months back with the previous mgmt)

It was very clear a few months back that its going to take a while for the all the mess to get sorted out. Nobody believed that anything good would happen...so why is it that you find it so difficult to digest the fact that something good is finally happening.

Pep talk that i had with most of my batchmates and upper classmates only indicates that most of them are satisfied that their training is finally progressing. So what exacly is the problem now other than the FACT that we anyways are delayed. So it took 2 years instead of 1 to get into the right seat of an A320...so what? Is the wait not woth it? IF i were so dissatisfied with my training here, i would have quit long back and taken the traditional route.

Its a sad thing that even now most are not aware how MPL differs from a traditional CPL. People look at it from a monetary point of view and say oh for XXXX$$$$ we can do 200 hrs of flying and a blah blah blah type rating. well at the end of the day it is a personal choice...

I have worked in different positions in my past jobs. Most of the latter part of my job i was into grading people for their efficiency and skills. If i were to apply any of those techniques now...i would give full credit to the current mgmt and the their staff (irrespective of nationality) for turning around this school to what it should have been in the first place. TRUE...a lot of things can still be improved...but it would be highly unfair to just put down anyone without actually looking at what has been achieved in the past few months.

Last but not the least. As a cadet I will continue to post the updates from CA (as and when they happen) and they will all be verifiable FACTS only.

fernandeztv

CA finally have got the first 2 of 6 C172s that were purchased. 2 C172SP Skyhawks were flown from Cebu by CA FIs and they landed at OMNI yesterday. (04 oct)

They have been registered as RP-C3544 and RP-C3545. One of them is equipped with dual Garmin GPS and the other with a Bendix King. The aircrafts actually look pretty good (and well equipped)! Hope to fly them soon...

Also finally we guys from batch D have started flying IFR sorties

Cheers....

Edit: Just checked out RP-C3544 today. Dual Garmin G430 GPS. Garmin avionics & Xponder. Leather seats, plush interiors...(a big change from the Cessna's that I have flown till date ) Ah...just wish they transfer the registry soon as i am one of the first in the waiting list to fly them )

son gokou

thanks fernandeztv for the news. im glad the planes are at now omni. safe flight to all batch D who started flying their IR sorties and we batch F are just as excited as everyone. anyway, that long vacation that we had was a blessing in disguise for me cause it gave me time to study in advance some A320 lessons and training videos that a good ol friend shared to me . thanks tom. keep the blue side up course oo4/o7

738FO

Well if you guys are already willing to spend 75000usd why not go for Delta Connection in Sanford Florida? Same evrything except you'll be flying the cirrus sr21 and 22. Direct hiring too after you grad. Most Airlines look what Av school you graduated from nowdays. Might as well go for the best. Or for the undergrads out there. if you have the money, why not go for embry riddle.

Im not saying that theres something wrong with the Av schools in the philippines, just lettin you guys know that you have lots of options.

fernandeztv

@738FO..again this is exactly what i was talking about in my previous posts...People usually come up advising that for XXX$$$ you could as well do it at such and such a place ....

I agree without any contest that both Delta Connection, Embry Riddle are very well known schools and have been around for a while.

However i do not completely agree to the "Same evrything except " statement...as both Delta conn and Emry Riddle offer their training for the CPL and NOT MPL! ... and that IS the biggest difference!

I agree that MPL is still in its infancy and we as the first few graduates will be judged with a microscope! I sincerely hope we live upto the expections of the the aviation community!

From the mindset of the aviation community at the US, i really doubt if MPL will ever catch on there...but in European and Asian countries my personal feeling is that MPL will in due course catch up...purely as an alternative to an Airline oriented training methodology. (For G.A ofcourse its the traditional way...no question abt that!)

FlyBe in U.K is the latest airline to give MPL a try. (Though i wonder if they will do it for their Dash 8 Q400s or their Embraer E195s....who knows maybe both types!)

Thai is about to start an MPL programme. Back in India, The govt owned flying school at Gondia has a JV with CAE to launch the first MPL training programme. As is already known Alteon is currently training cadets the MPL way for 2 Chinese airlines.
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Flighglobal advertises a debate on CPL Vs MPL during the Crew Management Conference 2008 1st, 2nd Dec, Dubai.

2008 Flight International Crew Management Conference

Should be interesting to watch the events at that conference.
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@Son_gokou

Thanks for your wishes buddy. By the way in another 2 weeks Batch D would be in their Night sorties...that is assuming that we have only RP-C2818 and the Omni a/c for the IF sorties!(and weather ) If CA 172s get operational...it might be even faster. So batch E should gearup for your own IF sorties. Batch F should not be far behind....

tbavprof

fernadeztv,

Am I reading this correctly? You're a self-funded MPL candidate? Why?

At some point (like wanting to change aircraft, air carrier, or upgrade to captain) you'll have to break down and spend the money to get a CPL or ATPL. And the first Euro MPL's are now indefinitely furloughed...with no other flying work even available to them because of their qualifications.

If I wanted to fly the big shiny ones, and was willing to put up with 10 years of indentured servitude for a carrier where I knew I could go for 10 years without a layoff, the MPL might be an attractive option. But the push behind the license was as a benefit to airlines, not to aviation and aviators.

If you're doing it for yourself, and paying for it yourself, you're being ripped off. If it's a matter of initial training costs, you can get better value for your money (meaning more usable credentials) elsewhere, as has been pointed out.

And while you had a nice list of where the MPL is beginning to pop up, you're being a bit naive to assume that it is being introduced because its a good idea and there are no other motives. Remember, the guy in charge of that bright shiny still has to hold an ATP. An MPL with 20,000 hours (19,850 on type) still doesn't qualify you to act as pilot in command.