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I am currently busy studying for the Chinese written test... from what I understand is the Chinese written test like the FAA test in the US. Computer based with a big database of questions. About 80% is "translated" directly from the FAA.
There are a couple of strange questions and answers though:
When flying in the proximity of a thunderstorm during nighttime, how far away should the airplane stay away of the CB:
- Correct answer: 10 km. (isnt that a little too close??)
When conducting fish-spotting operations the WX minimum is:
- Ceiling no less than 200m, visibility no less than 5 km. (???)
During a night landing, aircraft should turn on their landing lights at which altitude?
- 100 - 70m (so when approaching DH, I have to turn on the landing lights??)
My question to everyone that operates in China... could you please shed some light? I am aware of the book with the Chinese Far's, is there also a book in English available? Are there any other documents available, in which I can find back the above answers?
Thanks
There are a couple of strange questions and answers though:
When flying in the proximity of a thunderstorm during nighttime, how far away should the airplane stay away of the CB:
- Correct answer: 10 km. (isnt that a little too close??)
When conducting fish-spotting operations the WX minimum is:
- Ceiling no less than 200m, visibility no less than 5 km. (???)
During a night landing, aircraft should turn on their landing lights at which altitude?
- 100 - 70m (so when approaching DH, I have to turn on the landing lights??)
My question to everyone that operates in China... could you please shed some light? I am aware of the book with the Chinese Far's, is there also a book in English available? Are there any other documents available, in which I can find back the above answers?
Thanks
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There are books in English but which test? CPL? IR? or ATP? If your already doing the test i guess your with some airline booking them for you, so just ask them for one. Also the questions you stated are you using "feed back" qustions and answers? A lot of the answers on some of the feed back i've seen in the past were incorrect.
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HELP!
What Is The Best Study Material To Study For License Conversion Chinese Atp Test? Is It Wise To Study Faa Atp Questions Or Do I Need To Study A Lot More Other Things?
Anyone With Recent Experience Please Pm Me With Some Tips And Details. I Do Not Have A Lot Of Time In My Hands To Do The Test In China Soon..
Thanks
Sky
PS FRONT OFFICE DO YOU MIND TELLING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TESTS? DO YOU NEED TO LEARN AND MEMORIZE THE ANSWERS OR DOES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE LEAD YOU TO THE CORRECT ANSWER? WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS WITH FIGURES OR GRAPHS??
Anyone With Recent Experience Please Pm Me With Some Tips And Details. I Do Not Have A Lot Of Time In My Hands To Do The Test In China Soon..
Thanks
Sky
PS FRONT OFFICE DO YOU MIND TELLING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TESTS? DO YOU NEED TO LEARN AND MEMORIZE THE ANSWERS OR DOES A GOOD KNOWLEDGE LEAD YOU TO THE CORRECT ANSWER? WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS WITH FIGURES OR GRAPHS??
The Chinese Exam is based on the FAA exam. you will get 12 or so questions on Chinese stuff which you will not be able to answer. Some of the calculation questions just take too long so leave these, esp the loadsheet ones, till the end.
The CAAC changed all the papers about 9 months ago because too many ex-pats (Brazilians) were passing with 90%+ marks.
I have a database of alot of the questions if you like to pm me with your email add and I will send to you.
I managed 77% at least 10 I had no idea about and not seen before and some of the loadsheet questions I guessed.
There is no negative marking so answer all the questions. It can be hit and miss depending on the question paper you get, some have lots of calculations others only a few.
It is all computerised and you will know within a minute if you passed or not.
- Very stressful.
Jim
The CAAC changed all the papers about 9 months ago because too many ex-pats (Brazilians) were passing with 90%+ marks.
I have a database of alot of the questions if you like to pm me with your email add and I will send to you.
I managed 77% at least 10 I had no idea about and not seen before and some of the loadsheet questions I guessed.
There is no negative marking so answer all the questions. It can be hit and miss depending on the question paper you get, some have lots of calculations others only a few.
It is all computerised and you will know within a minute if you passed or not.
- Very stressful.
Jim
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Dear Sander82,
I don't want to frighten you, but I had a database of about 8000 questions available. I went through about 4000 of them but actually there were only about 1000 really different questions. So I expected to see about 60 to 80 familiar questions during the exam. Actually I found only 10 questions I have seen before....
As fas as I know the test had been changed one week before I did the exam last October.
About 40% of the questions require reading of graphs, quite easy, not tricky but time consuming. About 10 questions were in Mandarin, so I ticked the answers according the common rule 'choose the longest answer'.
Another 5 or so questions were about Chinese law. I had never seen the respective regulations before (e.g. are white tail airplanes allowed under CAAR)?
We were about 20 people during the exam, 12 failed, 8 passed, 7 of them were expats, one was Chinese, doing the exam the second time. All expats were highly experienced (age >50, >17000hrs) and all of us agreed that the exam can only be passed with a good general knowledge, good common sense and good knowledge of FARs.
Cheating is impossible, no personal objects - not even calculators - are allowed. We had about 12 surveillance cameras in the exam room. If they catch you while cheating you will be excluded from further exams for 1 year.
You can do it! Good luck!
I don't want to frighten you, but I had a database of about 8000 questions available. I went through about 4000 of them but actually there were only about 1000 really different questions. So I expected to see about 60 to 80 familiar questions during the exam. Actually I found only 10 questions I have seen before....
As fas as I know the test had been changed one week before I did the exam last October.
About 40% of the questions require reading of graphs, quite easy, not tricky but time consuming. About 10 questions were in Mandarin, so I ticked the answers according the common rule 'choose the longest answer'.
Another 5 or so questions were about Chinese law. I had never seen the respective regulations before (e.g. are white tail airplanes allowed under CAAR)?
We were about 20 people during the exam, 12 failed, 8 passed, 7 of them were expats, one was Chinese, doing the exam the second time. All expats were highly experienced (age >50, >17000hrs) and all of us agreed that the exam can only be passed with a good general knowledge, good common sense and good knowledge of FARs.
Cheating is impossible, no personal objects - not even calculators - are allowed. We had about 12 surveillance cameras in the exam room. If they catch you while cheating you will be excluded from further exams for 1 year.
You can do it! Good luck!
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Thanks for all the info. We are still operating the plane under N-registration. In not too long this will be changed to a B-registration, making it necessary to take the written test.
I had an interesting meeting in Beijing with one of the CAAC examiners being responsible for the written tests. He told me that if there is a question that doesnt make sense (wrong translation), it is possible to mark it and the CAAC will review the question. According to this examiner, the CAAC will even correct your score if it was their mistake.
Regulations wise, so far I havent been able to find an English version of the FAR's. Part 61 is in English. Part 91 and the rest is only available in Chinese. Part 91 is very much the same to FAA Part 91. A difference is that they used the metric system.
Will keep you informed about the written test.
Sander
I had an interesting meeting in Beijing with one of the CAAC examiners being responsible for the written tests. He told me that if there is a question that doesnt make sense (wrong translation), it is possible to mark it and the CAAC will review the question. According to this examiner, the CAAC will even correct your score if it was their mistake.
Regulations wise, so far I havent been able to find an English version of the FAR's. Part 61 is in English. Part 91 and the rest is only available in Chinese. Part 91 is very much the same to FAA Part 91. A difference is that they used the metric system.
Will keep you informed about the written test.
Sander
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Hi All 
I can see the concern... I am also studying for the CAAC exam in Beijing Pan Am - various people say different things. Most people that passed (not the majority, of course !) said that you need to be pretty lucky as it's 50% guess-work, 40% (or less) Gleim CPL/IR question bank and 10% are in damn Mandarin (
- Nice One, CAAC !!!)
So far the school is prepping people by asking them to know Gleim questions like the back of their hand and study some Chinese ATPL theory books.
Never the less, I've been able to see the sample questions from the test and it's safe to conclude that the questions are translated from English to Chinese and back to English by some high-school drop-out fruitcake who probably holds a huge grudge againts all the westerners. Most questions bare some terrific grammar mistakes, loss of basic linkage between the words in a sentance, lack of any valid point in question, incomplete, contain exactly the same answers (that could be correct or by far have no correct answers) and simply make absolutely no sense at all !..
Some are in Mandarin, as i said, so it's not even funny.
Personally I'm prepared to fail here (I got 100%, 95% and 100% on my recent FAA CPL, CFI and CFII respectively
). But, of course - Good Luck to you all ! I will update the forum on any helpful or valid information that I come across.
Tailwinds !
I can see the concern... I am also studying for the CAAC exam in Beijing Pan Am - various people say different things. Most people that passed (not the majority, of course !) said that you need to be pretty lucky as it's 50% guess-work, 40% (or less) Gleim CPL/IR question bank and 10% are in damn Mandarin (
- Nice One, CAAC !!!)So far the school is prepping people by asking them to know Gleim questions like the back of their hand and study some Chinese ATPL theory books.
Never the less, I've been able to see the sample questions from the test and it's safe to conclude that the questions are translated from English to Chinese and back to English by some high-school drop-out fruitcake who probably holds a huge grudge againts all the westerners. Most questions bare some terrific grammar mistakes, loss of basic linkage between the words in a sentance, lack of any valid point in question, incomplete, contain exactly the same answers (that could be correct or by far have no correct answers) and simply make absolutely no sense at all !..
Some are in Mandarin, as i said, so it's not even funny.Personally I'm prepared to fail here (I got 100%, 95% and 100% on my recent FAA CPL, CFI and CFII respectively
). But, of course - Good Luck to you all ! I will update the forum on any helpful or valid information that I come across.Tailwinds !
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Catchyouintheair "Pls donnot consider it too difficult."
From what I understand from your message is that you took the CAAC written test already. Even flightschools in China are trying to locate an accurate database. But are not able to. Did you have access to such a database?
I have been trying to locate CAAC FAR 91, general flight rules, in English. The CAAC told me that they have only FAR 61 in English
If you have any feedback you like to share, feel free to send me a pm or post it on this forum so everyone can learn from it.
From what I understand from your message is that you took the CAAC written test already. Even flightschools in China are trying to locate an accurate database. But are not able to. Did you have access to such a database?
I have been trying to locate CAAC FAR 91, general flight rules, in English. The CAAC told me that they have only FAR 61 in English
If you have any feedback you like to share, feel free to send me a pm or post it on this forum so everyone can learn from it.
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I have not taken the exam yet, but our company had a meeting with one of the CAAC examiners who was responsible for the actual administration of the dreaded CAAC exam and I was present. Examples of questions were given to the man, trying to persuade him that most questions don’t make any sense and must be changed. Some of the best examples were:
"You on FL210, would you:
a) A
b) C
c) B"
or
"You First Officer. You stomach feel ill. You will:
a) take 1 pill, ok to fly
b) take 2 pill, ok to fly
c) take no pill, ok to fly "
or
“Which year was Japan system agreed ?
a)1979
b)1989
c)1999”
(no need to mention that there is no such thing as Japan system related to aviation!)
and stuff like that.
As for the study materials, our school uses Gleim’s software and the "Blue" CAAC ATPL theory book with a "Green" ATPL theory sample questions which may come up on the test but no guarantees.
"You on FL210, would you:
a) A
b) C
c) B"
or
"You First Officer. You stomach feel ill. You will:
a) take 1 pill, ok to fly
b) take 2 pill, ok to fly
c) take no pill, ok to fly "
or
“Which year was Japan system agreed ?
a)1979
b)1989
c)1999”
(no need to mention that there is no such thing as Japan system related to aviation!)
and stuff like that.
As for the study materials, our school uses Gleim’s software and the "Blue" CAAC ATPL theory book with a "Green" ATPL theory sample questions which may come up on the test but no guarantees.
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Why study to pass the exam if the pay day (and good money by the way)is every 28th day the month. Changes are that after the great achievement of passing your CAAC exam, you´ll find yourself with the rest of the FI bunch hanging around in the cafeteria counting the flys.
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Just to give an update. I just recently completed my CAAC ATPL. Its true that only 30 to 40 % come out from the question bank. If u even get repeated question the answers are totally different from those that u have studied.
Each person is given an exact log on and pass word. Each exam paper is completely different than the other. My buddies papers consisted of manly met, airport plan , sid charts , and alot of CCAR question. I on the other hand had almost 50 % performance question which were very very tedious. No simple met questions like " What is the wind at ZBAA?"
PM me if any questions
Each person is given an exact log on and pass word. Each exam paper is completely different than the other. My buddies papers consisted of manly met, airport plan , sid charts , and alot of CCAR question. I on the other hand had almost 50 % performance question which were very very tedious. No simple met questions like " What is the wind at ZBAA?"
PM me if any questions
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CAAC test update?
Hi all,
me too, am trying to study for the CAAC test.
There have been precious few posts on here lately. Does anyone have any recent experience from a recent sitting at the CAAC?
Rumour has it that questions have changed again.
So what is the latest best advice and recommended strategy to pass?
I have thousands of qustions, with some manual marking on it (by whom?? and how accurate??) and cant see this as the best course of (study-) action any more.
Any news? Thank a lot!
me too, am trying to study for the CAAC test.
There have been precious few posts on here lately. Does anyone have any recent experience from a recent sitting at the CAAC?
Rumour has it that questions have changed again.
So what is the latest best advice and recommended strategy to pass?
I have thousands of qustions, with some manual marking on it (by whom?? and how accurate??) and cant see this as the best course of (study-) action any more.
Any news? Thank a lot!
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Study the gleim if you are not FAA, it will give you an idea of the faa questions and talk to your god, witch, inner you or whatever.
It is a lottery.
I am afraid Peter was right it might take them years, I am working on that thou.
Good luck
AM
It is a lottery.
I am afraid Peter was right it might take them years, I am working on that thou.
Good luck
AM
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Thanks, guys, for the encouragement..
Looks like a real mission impossible, this China business..
FlyHeavy, can you tell me more about the exam? How many questions in Mandarin? Translater allowed?
How much time allowed for the 100 (?) questions?
How many performance, flight palnning etc, questions with time consuming interpolations and calculations?
Could you PM me with some info?
Many thanks again and good luck getting started in your new job..
Looks like a real mission impossible, this China business..
FlyHeavy, can you tell me more about the exam? How many questions in Mandarin? Translater allowed?
How much time allowed for the 100 (?) questions?
How many performance, flight palnning etc, questions with time consuming interpolations and calculations?
Could you PM me with some info?
Many thanks again and good luck getting started in your new job..
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OK, it's 100 questions in 150 minutes sharp. I got about 35 questions of performance on 737 & A-320. It's a time problem when you solve the questions, a lot of close answers so you can't guess, you have to work it out. About 20 Chinese airlaw questions and it's written in poor english & chinese.
We were 5 taking the exam and we all passed, remember that you have to study really hard and try to read whatever it comes across your hand because they asked about real CPL school time questions, keep on reading.
I will try to post what I remember from these questions.
Good luck all.
We were 5 taking the exam and we all passed, remember that you have to study really hard and try to read whatever it comes across your hand because they asked about real CPL school time questions, keep on reading.
I will try to post what I remember from these questions.
Good luck all.