Is this new? My indoctrination papers say that you will take your annual leave after the sim rides and not your monthly days off, we all took three weeks in between sim and line training and so did the class before us and the class after, so I'm wondering if this is a new thing
G'day mate,
I don't know how new this is and whether it applies to AJX & AJV or just us. In the indoc timeline we got, it shows 10 days off between sims and route training. This consisted of the 'required' days off per month, as opposed to the 10/11 days off you get once you've finished training + some leave days to make it up to 10.
I know things vary from course to course and the lucky ones get to have more than 10 off. I was trying to point that some may not get any more than 10 off, as was our case, so didn't want people getting their hopes raised and then dashed once they'd joined.
Unfortunately, none of the guys who joined AJX at the same time as we joined AJV were type rated, so I can't say for sure whether it made a difference being in the different companies as we kind of went our separate ways and obvioulsy ended up on different timelines.
See you around the bazaars
Hi Pinhead,
Just to expand a little:
767F = 767 freighter. Purpose built for the job and new airframes. Gucci LCD MCP etc
767BCF = 767 Boeing Converted Freighter. Converted from the oldest of ANA's pax 767s, so not new and has the older MCP 'bouncy' numbers.
Having said all that, the Japanese aircraft are immaculate and even the BCFs are in far, far better condition than any other company's pax fleet aircraft that I've experienced. I had my first MEL about 3 weeks ago but I don't really think a position light filament is too taxing and, naturally, it was fixed after our flight . We only moan about the BCFs because we've been spoiled by the 767Fs and we like the newer toys in them.
Very interesting and a lot of useful informations reading through the entire thread. I have apply about 10 days ago through IAC Global in Australia. Has anyone had any dealings with this recruiter? Would appreciate any Aussie to reply regarding commute, taxation issues and any other relevant info.
I hold a bare B763ER CMD rating on my CASA ATPL but that was back in 2004. For the sack of agrument if I am successful will AJV/AJX put me through a short course or a full course?
How many nights per tour ( per 20/21 days) do you spend in japan itself?
When in japan are you required to provide your own accomodation, and if so does the company have any agreement with a particular hotel for some kind of staff rate?
The information you seek has been repeatedly discussed within this thread, just start going backwards and you will find plenty of information on life style here in Japan.
BobbyJ, I'm not certain what the magic numbers are. I had 9045 hrs and typed on the 757/767, DC-10, L-1011, and 737 but couldn't tell you which was the deciding factor. I do know there are folks who have been picked up with straight CRJ as well. It is an exercise in patience, that's for certain. Looking for a possible phone call for the November class now.
I would like hope to hear from someone working at AJX/AJV in regards to:
1) Do you have an "Active Captain Upgrade Program"?
Yes
2) How many FO's Pr.year is currently being upgraded?
Varies but I would say about three (per company)
3) How long does it take from DOH to to start the upgrade program
Right now is at about the 4 year mark
4) Has ANA ever talked about transitioning to another aircraft, or will the 767 be
around for the next 10-15 years?
Come here expecting to fly the 76 and you won't be disappointed
5) In regards to the 777 taking over the NRT-HNL route from Jan 2010, do you
feel that ANA will keep renewing your contracts, or do you think what happened
To JALways will happen to you?
ANA and JAL are two very different companies but the simple truth is that it is the nature of contract work, one day they need you and the next day they don't. But my personal impression is that it won't happen
Any response will be greatly appreciated,
Thank you
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JAL disposing of their contract crew is related to their Government backed loan. If they didn't make the cuts, the didn't get the money and when you're in that situation the focus is likely to be on the foreign/contract staff.
For CRJ experience; The company is carrying a severe problem child that came from CRJ's, so that effects their inclinations in hiring. Strange logic, "CRJ guy is a problem, no more CRJ guys, no more problems"
In the past three years that this person you bring up has been here they have hired many pilots with nothing but regional jet times, the most recent one that I know off has been in training for only three months.
Besides, if they would eliminate the A/C types that the "problem childs" have flown before they would only have Antonov's left
Have ANA hired anyone form left seat of CRJ to left seat of B6?
I think that game is up thanks to Leisure suit
They have actually, six months after him they hired me and another AJV captain hired six months after me. About that game being up, it is all cyclical and it all depends on supply and demand, when this contract started about 8 years ago they hired a handful of guys that where flying the BAE 146 in Oz as both DEC's and F/O's, that my friend is most definitely a Regional Jet and some of those guys are RTC's today. I agree that for the time being the hiring of regional pilots as DEC's have stopped but due to supply and demand issues, there are simply too many experienced pilots out there looking for a job. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the guy, I particularly couldn't care less but looking at it without pride nor prejudice, do the Japanese really consider him a "severe problem child" as you described him? he passed his training without any retakes and he passed his OJT with good remarks from all his instructors, he hasn't missed a day at work due to sick calls or he hasn't missed a commute to work, he hasn't gotten a single FOQA report and you can't really say that what it's been said is related to his operation of the aircraft, can you? I contest that management actually considers him a productive pilot, I've flown with the guy three times and he is a safe operator. Do you really think that ANA is going to make a management decision on hiring trends because a couple of chief pursers don't like a particular individual? Or stop hiring from a particular A/C type to filtrate personality trades? Nah, that is more gossipy entertainment than anything else and the Japanese are a little more pragmatic than that.
AJX provides a very nice apartment with a small kitchen and the location is very good. AJV provides only a hotel not sure if it had a refrigerator or not. For the time in training the Condo was a very nice place to stay and they even will provide a additional apartment when your family comes to visit.
Koelemon, Thanks. I was thinking exactly about the family aspect. With an apartment, one can have the family come more than once while during training. I'm sure it will be tight if you have a couple of kids but possible?
Is another option to continue to pay for the extra apartment where the company leaves off?
Anyhow, I think training duration (or should I say the wifees disaproval of the duration) is what holds some folks back from applying.
I think training duration (or should I say the wifees disaproval of the duration) is what holds some folks back from applying.
This contract (or any other for that matter) would be impossible to sustain not only during the training period but also throughout the duration of the contract without the total commitment of your better half, remember that she will become effectively a single parent for 60% of the month and if she cannot handle the toilet clogging while you are 6,000 miles away, don't even bother applying
. We only moan about the BCFs because we've been spoiled by the 767Fs and we like the newer toys in them.
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...pass me another chocolate biscuit
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