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if nothing is out by now, the chances of an April start are ZERO!
April is the start of the Japanese fiscal year, so, for the eternal optimists, that should be when announcements may be made, Jal, 787, pigs flying, etc!
April is the start of the Japanese fiscal year, so, for the eternal optimists, that should be when announcements may be made, Jal, 787, pigs flying, etc!
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Hi, latest rumor heard is that 787s are coming in April 2018 and a revision of the pay package will be out soon. Btw can anyone who has been thru the medical advise if MRI needs to be done as part of the assessment? Cheers
Vangolf, rumours are rumours.
What we know on AJX for a FACT is that the 787 will be introduced in the Summer schedule 2018, so around late March next year.
The info we have been provided is that they will need approx 70 pilots initially, NO direct hire onto the 787. At present approx. 280 pilots total in AJX. The 767 pax ops (now 9.5 airframes) will be scaled down to zero by 2020 BUT the 767 freight operation (11 aeroplanes) will continue indefinitely (obviously the 767 has a shelf life but the old lady has many years in her yet!)
Reading between the lines, any new hire can expect to join on the 767, the options for the 787 will only be available in a few years. However, nothing definite has been announced, so anything can happen.
As far as the improvement in the pay package, well, it is long overdue AND it needs to be considerable, but not hearing anything about it here yet.
Apart from that nothing has changed here recently, so the rosy picture may well be a clever sales pitch!
What we know on AJX for a FACT is that the 787 will be introduced in the Summer schedule 2018, so around late March next year.
The info we have been provided is that they will need approx 70 pilots initially, NO direct hire onto the 787. At present approx. 280 pilots total in AJX. The 767 pax ops (now 9.5 airframes) will be scaled down to zero by 2020 BUT the 767 freight operation (11 aeroplanes) will continue indefinitely (obviously the 767 has a shelf life but the old lady has many years in her yet!)
Reading between the lines, any new hire can expect to join on the 767, the options for the 787 will only be available in a few years. However, nothing definite has been announced, so anything can happen.
As far as the improvement in the pay package, well, it is long overdue AND it needs to be considerable, but not hearing anything about it here yet.
Apart from that nothing has changed here recently, so the rosy picture may well be a clever sales pitch!
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Hi gtseraf, thanks for sharing the latest realtime info, and I bet most likely you are right, especially on the sales pitch part.
After all, nothing is certain till we see the terms in black and white. But at the very least, you guys will have something to look forward to for next year, a chance to fly the gleaming shiny 787s. We all live on hope dun we?
After all, nothing is certain till we see the terms in black and white. But at the very least, you guys will have something to look forward to for next year, a chance to fly the gleaming shiny 787s. We all live on hope dun we?
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Pay MUST be looked at......, the contract has fallen behind and the competition is making very good offers. Instead of just deleting the emails from the headhunters, people are reading them with interest.
We don't know how they will implement the new type but pay must be part of the plan...!
We don't know how they will implement the new type but pay must be part of the plan...!
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My two main issues right now with the 787 coming on board:
1. Pay has to be increased. Too many other opportunities available with either more money or more time at home. For me to renew my contract there has to be a pay increase otherwise I am definitely looking at leaving. I do not care if I ever fly the 787, just want time off and money.
2. The training plan is unacceptable. 2-3 months of ground school and sim. Home for 10-14 days then back for another 2 months of OJT. That is a hard sell to the family just to fly a new type of airplane. If the company offered a pay increase or maybe a bonus when training was complete then maybe I would go for it but as it stands now why would I leave my family for around 5 months just to fly the 787.
1. Pay has to be increased. Too many other opportunities available with either more money or more time at home. For me to renew my contract there has to be a pay increase otherwise I am definitely looking at leaving. I do not care if I ever fly the 787, just want time off and money.
2. The training plan is unacceptable. 2-3 months of ground school and sim. Home for 10-14 days then back for another 2 months of OJT. That is a hard sell to the family just to fly a new type of airplane. If the company offered a pay increase or maybe a bonus when training was complete then maybe I would go for it but as it stands now why would I leave my family for around 5 months just to fly the 787.
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The time away is something that this company does not seem to grasp. When they are in training, they still get to go home at the end of the day, so it is no big deal to them. They just can't grasp that it is different for us.
As to the pay, it needs to go up across the board. It should not be dependent on the airframe.
As to the pay, it needs to go up across the board. It should not be dependent on the airframe.
Gentlemen, I trust you are making these points directly to those who make these decisions. The more they hear directly from the pilots, the more likely they MAY be to adjust these policies.
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I gave up trying to talk to the pilot group about this...., I brought the issue of pay on the group chat and the koolaid junkies got their panties rolled up in a knot.
I just took it directly to the company, the pay needs to be addressed.
I just took it directly to the company, the pay needs to be addressed.
sadly, a well thought out argument will not work. The only way things will happen is when aeroplanes are parked due a shortage of pilots.
Stranger things have happened!
Stranger things have happened!
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Koolaid
It seems the Koolaid consumption has reached a critical level for some of the blokes dreaming of the B787 and even speculating that JAZ will return.
It is advisable to decrease the level of Koolaid mixed with high cabin pressure altitudes. LOL
It is advisable to decrease the level of Koolaid mixed with high cabin pressure altitudes. LOL
My two main issues right now with the 787 coming on board:
1. Pay has to be increased. Too many other opportunities available with either more money or more time at home. For me to renew my contract there has to be a pay increase otherwise I am definitely looking at leaving. I do not care if I ever fly the 787, just want time off and money.
2. The training plan is unacceptable. 2-3 months of ground school and sim. Home for 10-14 days then back for another 2 months of OJT. That is a hard sell to the family just to fly a new type of airplane. If the company offered a pay increase or maybe a bonus when training was complete then maybe I would go for it but as it stands now why would I leave my family for around 5 months just to fly the 787.
1. Pay has to be increased. Too many other opportunities available with either more money or more time at home. For me to renew my contract there has to be a pay increase otherwise I am definitely looking at leaving. I do not care if I ever fly the 787, just want time off and money.
2. The training plan is unacceptable. 2-3 months of ground school and sim. Home for 10-14 days then back for another 2 months of OJT. That is a hard sell to the family just to fly a new type of airplane. If the company offered a pay increase or maybe a bonus when training was complete then maybe I would go for it but as it stands now why would I leave my family for around 5 months just to fly the 787.
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hi everyone.
I have pretty much read through every page in this thread, filtering out technical questions and interview details.
Thing is, I'm wondering if anyone here knows whether the FAA FTP written exam questions (done in 2012, and stated twice in this thread) are current and whether it will be applied during the following interviews in Japan?
Thanks.
I have pretty much read through every page in this thread, filtering out technical questions and interview details.
Thing is, I'm wondering if anyone here knows whether the FAA FTP written exam questions (done in 2012, and stated twice in this thread) are current and whether it will be applied during the following interviews in Japan?
Thanks.
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Yes and No. I know of around 10 guys who are leaving within the next 3-4 months.
They try to have a course every other month. Rumour is that the July course is empty.
No. If anything it is getting worse.
They try to have a course every other month. Rumour is that the July course is empty.
No. If anything it is getting worse.
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hi everyone.
I have pretty much read through every page in this thread, filtering out technical questions and interview details.
Thing is, I'm wondering if anyone here knows whether the FAA FTP written exam questions (done in 2012, and stated twice in this thread) are current and whether it will be applied during the following interviews in Japan?
Thanks.
I have pretty much read through every page in this thread, filtering out technical questions and interview details.
Thing is, I'm wondering if anyone here knows whether the FAA FTP written exam questions (done in 2012, and stated twice in this thread) are current and whether it will be applied during the following interviews in Japan?
Thanks.
Stuff like:
- In turbulent jetstream, which way do you go to get out of it if the ambient temp. decreases or increases
- extended over water operations require what equipment?
- define the speed at which point a take off should be continued in order to reach a safe altitude above the departure end of the runway
the rest were like the questions previously posted, but I was told this wasn't graded.
My personal opinion is focus more on the SIM. It's all about the SIM. If you haven't flown wide body or come from a more modern glass cockpit you will have difficulty with the scan for sure! If you want the job I would HIGHLY recommend getting an hour in the sim prior to the assessment.
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How do the duty days and working conditions compare to say, a North American legacy carrier? I'm interested in flying in Japan but am concerned that their work culture will trickle down to even the ex-pat pilots. Though I'm sure they don't get it as bad as the locals. So what is a typical month like as an Air Japan pilot?
Drop, if the Bush you are located in allows you access to the major US carriers, don't even think about coming here, the majors will offer far better career options. We have had Captains in their late 40's and early 50's resign from Air Japan to join majors as new hires. They have crunched the numbers and the total package until retirement will be better at the majors and the retirement benefits will be better. THAT should say more than enough!
I understand that duty limits allowed in Air Japan exceed those allowed by the FAA, so expect to have duties and schedules which are worse than FAA airlines.
I understand that duty limits allowed in Air Japan exceed those allowed by the FAA, so expect to have duties and schedules which are worse than FAA airlines.
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However....., the difference (and it is big) is the duty and trip rigs thag are included on each airline's contract with their pilots. In the US, you have the option of working as much or as little as you like and you have options on bases and A/C fleets.
Here in Japan, outside of opting out of the C class ticket and banking on the 2K....., there is no way to make extra cash, and there are no protections for pilots in case of checkride failures and the likes.
The truth be told, they don't treat us bad really (using other contracts as guidline) but if you have an opportunity to get with a major in the US...., there is no logical nor practical reason as to why you would come to AJX.