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Old 28th Apr 2017, 14:23   #2601 (permalink)
 
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Well my situation isn't so cut and dry. I'm Canadian so I'm not going to have access all the great things that are currently happening south of the border for pilots. For us it's business as usual and you wouldn't even know we've recovered from 9/11 based on wages at our national carrier. Like I mentioned I have lived in Japan for an extended period and I have ties here with my wife and in-laws. I choose to live in Japan above all places. You've mentioned duty days between 8-14 hours and some day/night shift changes. That's great info but I'm still a little vague on the details. 8 hours are no problem. 14 not so much if it happens often. Same with the night shifts. Do you work there or is there anyone else that could outline what a typical month or rotation is like? Instead of comparing it to an American carrier perhaps it would be easier to compare to something like Cathay or Emirates in terms of how hard they work you?
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 14:58   #2602 (permalink)
 
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It's not so much the total hours for the month but the seeming inability of the schedulers to grasp a few basic concepts. For instance, a 24 hour layover is as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike when you arrive after a two sector freighter pattern NRT-XMN-OKA at 0400 and then you're out the same time the next day for another two sectors. 0400 means you're in the hotel (hopefully) by 0500 and trying to sleep. IF you're not woken by shouting Chinese tourists in your hotel (very, very unlikely you won't be) then you'll maybe sleep until 1100 or even 1200 if you're lucky. Then it's off to bed early, even though you don't feel like it and toss and turn until 0100. Having just drifted off, the alarm goes at 0330 and now you switch from your evening into night/early morning flight of yesterday into early morning/day flight of Okinawa....somewhere in China AGAIN and then back to NRT. Next night it starts all over again and then you get to have a day off in NRT after those 6 days/nights of continuous f*%king around. The schedulers singularly fail to grasp the concept of 18 or 36 hour sleep patterns and we are returning to the bad old days of post AJV/AJX joining, where the scheduling went for a complete bag of worms.

In addition, since we got our 'new' head scheduler they seem to have lost the ability (i.e. the selfish chap is probably telling them to do so) to finish early on our last day and start late(ish) on the first day of duty. SO many guys are now missing their commutes home on their last days or having to arrive back in Japan a day early that it is seriously affecting our senses of humour. It has only happened since this bloke arrived and never used to be the case, so he needs a firm size 12 up his backside.

China, China, China, China. Days into nights and back into days, all within three days. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. It's getting very, very tiresome. TD and GT get to see a lot more of the less-fatiguing pax flying than the rest of us and even they are fed up, so imagine what it's like for we who get one pax trip every two months.

Yep, really am at the limit of my tether and can't see myself staying.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 19:08   #2603 (permalink)
 
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Fratemate,

Not a nice picture, indeed. I currently have my disagreements with my scheduling (also a freight ops) but not so bad as you mention.

How is freight vs pax flying divided?

Good luck!

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Old 28th Apr 2017, 19:40   #2604 (permalink)
 
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How is freight vs pax flying divided?
Let me get the popcorn.... I have a feeling that the response will become an instant classic.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 19:57   #2605 (permalink)
 
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No one really knows how the flying is distributed. If you are an instructor then you will do more pax flying. If you are a regular person then you will do almost all freight flying. If you are a suck up then you can choose what you want and damn all the rest of us.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 21:37   #2606 (permalink)
 
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I got the drift .. Better not open that Pandora Box

Thanks for the quick reply
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 23:40   #2607 (permalink)
 
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As jrmyl said, if you're an instructor then you do more pax flying because the guys going through OJT do most of their flying on the pax aircraft.

Of my last 60 sectors, 12 were pax. A convenient 20% I thought

I think most people prefer the actual freight flying and not having the extra hassle that the pax flying entails. However, it's the fatiguing nature of the freighter scheduling that is riling everyone at the moment and it's only getting worse.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 00:46   #2608 (permalink)
 
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drop24

Sorry but seems you're making something very simple into something incredibly difficult.

You say you've lived in Japan and want to continue living in Japan so you have an understanding of the psyche and I assume realise that if you go flying in Japan - in any airline - you'll be at the cutting edge of 1960's methodology and thinking.

Sounds like USA's not an option...so why are you bothering to bang on about it?

You've got up to 5 companies looking for experienced Captains, minimum 2 looking for F/O's all with different deals/basings/types etc.

Bite the bullet, do your homework, get a job in an open market, get the licence, get some time on type...then decide whether you like it/hate it/look at changing companies...whatever.
Or don't have a go.

Simple as that, really.

And IF during your homework you find the "perfect" job...please feel free to PM!
I'll await your PM with great anticipation!

Best of Luck, Cheers.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 01:31   #2609 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for all the responses. I'm definitely still in the homework stage and scrapping together whatever info I can get. There seems to be a few Japan based pilots here so I'll ask if anyone knows what's happening with ANA Wings? I've got a chunk of Dash time and maybe banging a Q around at a regional might be more conducive to catching those very important zzzzz's.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 01:57   #2610 (permalink)
 
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If you have jet command you'd be crazy not to have a serious look at Skymark - for no other reason than the opportunity to get 737 time.
Apart from some limited summer ops (unless things have changed) no ops between 2400 and 0530 which is a plus.

Of course if no applicable jet time then another story.
Cheers.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 06:51   #2611 (permalink)
 
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There seems to be a few Japan based pilots here so I'll ask if anyone knows what's happening with ANA Wings?
I draw you attention to the topic of this thread and the lack of 'creep' so far. Please create a new thread if you want to know details of operators other than AJX.
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Old 16th May 2017, 11:12   #2612 (permalink)
 
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Old 21st May 2017, 07:40   #2613 (permalink)
 
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I'm looking to leave one of the aussie majors (you'll never guess which one) for this contract.

Can anyone post (or PM me) an average roster?
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Old 21st May 2017, 09:20   #2614 (permalink)
 
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I'm looking to leave one of the aussie majors (you'll never guess which one) for this contract.

Can anyone post (or PM me) an average roster?
I would be very interested to see a current roster as well
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Old 29th May 2017, 13:02   #2615 (permalink)
 
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Rumor mill from a friend at NCA is that AJX lost 21 pilots last month (or something close to that). Any truth? What gives?
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Old 30th May 2017, 08:39   #2616 (permalink)
 
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Excellent scheduling, interesting destinations and the payrise Michael, simple formula.
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Old 30th May 2017, 11:16   #2617 (permalink)
 
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Rumor mill from a friend at NCA is that AJX lost 21 pilots last month (or something close to that).
Hobbit has hit on the reasons why and there are significant numbers leaving or have left, certainly compared to the past. But, 21 is a complete load of garbage, as is 'something close to that' and it does us no good whatsoever to have silly numbers bandied around that bear no resemblance to the truth. If we come out with nonsense then any of the Company or agency stooges that read these threads just laugh at the ridiculous rumours and fail to take any notice of the genuine concerns and reasons for people leaving. In a company that is as small as AJX if two pilots left in one month it would be significant and if that happened for two or three months then it would be huge enough for any stooge to sit up and take notice. We DO have those sort of numbers leaving and the reasons DO need to be addressed. Those are real numbers, 21 (or close) is just complete rubbish.
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Old 30th May 2017, 12:41   #2618 (permalink)
 
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Hobbit has hit on the reasons why and there are significant numbers leaving or have left, certainly compared to the past. But, 21 is a complete load of garbage, as is 'something close to that' and it does us no good whatsoever to have silly numbers bandied around that bear no resemblance to the truth. If we come out with nonsense then any of the Company or agency stooges that read these threads just laugh at the ridiculous rumours and fail to take any notice of the genuine concerns and reasons for people leaving. In a company that is as small as AJX if two pilots left in one month it would be significant and if that happened for two or three months then it would be huge enough for any stooge to sit up and take notice. We DO have those sort of numbers leaving and the reasons DO need to be addressed. Those are real numbers, 21 (or close) is just complete rubbish.
Thanks. I wasn't trying to spread false rumors or stir the pot, I was just genuinely interested. NCA has lost a significant amount of pilots in the last six months (I was one of them), causing concern over there for very similar reasons.
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Old 2nd Jun 2017, 08:08   #2619 (permalink)


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Having just recently been through Course, I have to say that the advertised time off for a new hire going through the initial course is definitely NOT what was presented to us when the initial enrolment began. Having days off at home before a 6 month period will not happen, and when the Initial training period ends, you'll get home for 8-10 days, then back to Narita for a Minimum of 2 months. In total - 8 months in Tokyo/Narita, and this is the Minimum amount of time needed to complete the 767 course for a non rated pilot. Parc and Crew are very misleading in advertising the time off during training. (we were told home after 3 months) then back for 2...

Buyer beware - although the gig seems to be good once you hit the line, but have your family prepared for 3/4 of a year of misery.
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Old 2nd Jun 2017, 09:44   #2620 (permalink)
 
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flyer142, your feedback is of paramount importance! Thank you!
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