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logbook and Instrument time
Dominican,
I also had the issue of untidy logbooks, which i wasnt confident showing off. So I got a software and retyped all my 3300 hrs total into into it .It has a functionality to report in different formats and adds up the totals correctly. you can print physical logbooks from it. How does air japan view electronic logbooks?
I still continue to fill in my untidy logbook just in case.
My authority describes instrument flying time piloting the aircraft soley on instruments without external reference points. I have always neglegted loging instrument time since after flight school as my authority doesnt really bother about it. There is no GA in the country I fly in.All my flying after flight school has been first officer on dash 8 and now 737.
Can you kindly advise me on how I can log instrument time for the purpose of air japan. All our flights are Ifr, we do very view visual approaches (only in absolute vmc) auto pilot is almost always on by 1000 to 2000 feet and off around 600 feet. Please help on this issue.
I fly 737 in Nigeria.
I also had the issue of untidy logbooks, which i wasnt confident showing off. So I got a software and retyped all my 3300 hrs total into into it .It has a functionality to report in different formats and adds up the totals correctly. you can print physical logbooks from it. How does air japan view electronic logbooks?
I still continue to fill in my untidy logbook just in case.
My authority describes instrument flying time piloting the aircraft soley on instruments without external reference points. I have always neglegted loging instrument time since after flight school as my authority doesnt really bother about it. There is no GA in the country I fly in.All my flying after flight school has been first officer on dash 8 and now 737.
Can you kindly advise me on how I can log instrument time for the purpose of air japan. All our flights are Ifr, we do very view visual approaches (only in absolute vmc) auto pilot is almost always on by 1000 to 2000 feet and off around 600 feet. Please help on this issue.
I fly 737 in Nigeria.
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How does air japan view electronic logbooks?
Can you kindly advise me on how I can log instrument time
You have stumbled upon the "holy grail" of individual interpretation..., the description of "instrument time" is very vague and people in different parts of the world interpret this differently..., as per your own description.., if I'm in the middle of the Pacific in a dark night with the A/P on eating my dinner, I'm logging IMC time, OK then..., if you say so! This interpretation would make 95% of it IMC time..!
There are others that say that instrument time is only the time that you are hand flying while on IMC.., that makes it about 30 seconds to 1 minute in less than 10% of your flights...!
Which is correct? Since the description within the regulations is so vague and created back at a time when airplanes didn't have autopilots and IMC was considered something better to be avoided by flying under the cloud base on your DC3..., I would say that both are correct...!
Confused yet? Listen, I'm a dumb ass from the islands, I couldn't tell you the correct interpretation anymore that I could explain the meaning of life..!
All I can tell you is that in the 15+ years that this contract has been around! AJX has seen it logged in those two ways and every other way in between.
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As an incredibly rough idea of what seems to happen in AJX a lot of the time; a 3 hour flight, during which time cloud was flown through in the climb, descent and (usually) during the cruise will normally end up with 30 minutes of IMC written in the aircraft log/your logbook. There's often 0 and there's quite a few >30 minutes but 30 mins seems to be a recurring theme
I agree with what TD has written and it is pretty irrelevant when the autopilot is engaged whether we're in cloud or not and the logging of IMC was certainly meant for when an aircraft was being flown on instruments and not merely managed/monitored. One day the authorities may get with the times and then, 100 years later, the JCAB will catch up. In the meantime I suggest 50% of block time might be somewhat exaggerated. If it helps, I'm just shy of 20000 hours and have a shade over 3000 hours IMC in the logbook; so 15% versus 50%.
I agree with what TD has written and it is pretty irrelevant when the autopilot is engaged whether we're in cloud or not and the logging of IMC was certainly meant for when an aircraft was being flown on instruments and not merely managed/monitored. One day the authorities may get with the times and then, 100 years later, the JCAB will catch up. In the meantime I suggest 50% of block time might be somewhat exaggerated. If it helps, I'm just shy of 20000 hours and have a shade over 3000 hours IMC in the logbook; so 15% versus 50%.
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@dinamicd...., What Fratemate wrote is more in tune with what i see everyone write on their books...., 5 to 15% of total time is a good ballpark figure and even that is too much in my view..., personally I just write enough IMC not to have to go to the SIM and get requalified...!
Good luck...!
About the authorities catching up..., well, legally we are still supposed to use visual cues instead of our navigation systems if we have visual contact with the ground as per regulations LOL! An FAA big shot told me once..., that the FAR's haven't joined the rest of us in the jet age!
Good luck...!
About the authorities catching up..., well, legally we are still supposed to use visual cues instead of our navigation systems if we have visual contact with the ground as per regulations LOL! An FAA big shot told me once..., that the FAR's haven't joined the rest of us in the jet age!
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I suggest we leave discussion about individual events and individuals for the bar/flightdeck chat, rather than a public forum. By all means let's discuss the whys and wherefores of AJX and the Japanese systems but I think we should not be gossiping about individuals here for all to see.
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Capt Coco:
Obviously you do not like negative comments about your job, so lets agree to disagree.
Like blink stated, "Both Mates are history" and it was Foul play by AJX once again.
You should also know that AJX fired an FO from the November 2013 class.
The random damage continues here.
Not history: (aka. Jaz and the Fat man)
I never flew with you. I was sorry to hear what you and the other DEC endured, and how disrespectfully AJX treated you.
It is of course AJX's loss after all the time and money they spent for your training, to just F%$# you, and tell you to go home.
Yes these are individual cases in which no names have been used, but deserves to be brought to attention so people can explore the truth sooner rather than later, not keeping it to ourselves for a night at the Barge. AJX is continuing its downward spiral Mates, think at least twice before quitting your full time job to come here.
Obviously you do not like negative comments about your job, so lets agree to disagree.
Like blink stated, "Both Mates are history" and it was Foul play by AJX once again.
You should also know that AJX fired an FO from the November 2013 class.
The random damage continues here.
Not history: (aka. Jaz and the Fat man)
I never flew with you. I was sorry to hear what you and the other DEC endured, and how disrespectfully AJX treated you.
It is of course AJX's loss after all the time and money they spent for your training, to just F%$# you, and tell you to go home.
Yes these are individual cases in which no names have been used, but deserves to be brought to attention so people can explore the truth sooner rather than later, not keeping it to ourselves for a night at the Barge. AJX is continuing its downward spiral Mates, think at least twice before quitting your full time job to come here.
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The failure will be happend in anywhere.
I'm working for one of the major airline in asia. Sometimes the situation which western guy can not understand can be happened in asian airlines. I was suffering from my attitude few years ago while I was working for my company. I couldn't understand why the company checker pointed out my attitude. They evaluated my attitude. It doesn't make sense. Probably they want to keep the
rate of some failure? These situations can be happened in anywhere anytime even though U hv permanent contract or not. So be ready to go out at all times. U know we are like professional baseball player
rate of some failure? These situations can be happened in anywhere anytime even though U hv permanent contract or not. So be ready to go out at all times. U know we are like professional baseball player
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Fantastic thread guys. Has kept me reading for hours. Is interesting to see how the moods change through the years!
Am looking at an application to AJX. Family ideally needs to stay living in current location (married with kids who've already been to far to many different schools), not alot of options right now to keep career moving while doing so, which makes AJX look interesting.
Two questions, pretty sure not covered, or maybe out of date by now.
Regards commuting ex SYD, I read earlier QF is available? But it's not Star Alliance? Have looked at direct flights ex SYD to Japan and QF looks like it had the most.
Also, is the training still a full 6 months in location in Japan? No leave or break at home during the 6 months?
Am looking at an application to AJX. Family ideally needs to stay living in current location (married with kids who've already been to far to many different schools), not alot of options right now to keep career moving while doing so, which makes AJX look interesting.
Two questions, pretty sure not covered, or maybe out of date by now.
Regards commuting ex SYD, I read earlier QF is available? But it's not Star Alliance? Have looked at direct flights ex SYD to Japan and QF looks like it had the most.
Also, is the training still a full 6 months in location in Japan? No leave or break at home during the 6 months?
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Living and commuting from SYD is not a problem with this job. Assuming you're using the C Class option, AJX will book you on the QF22/21 and this has been the case for many years for Oz commuters. If you use the ZED option then you can get home however you like (direct, via HKG, via SIN, via BKK or even via domestic airports if you're unlucky enough to have to get a Jet* flight from Japan). Their preferred way of doing things is to use ANA, then Star Alliance and then others but they have been known to 'flex' things in the past and continue to do so. ANA have announced they will be starting a SYD service from HND (and possibly KIX), so maybe in the future you will have to take the ANA flight instead of QF and enjoy the delightful cabin temperatures that only the Japanese do so well 
I don't think the course structure has changed since they were still flying Zeroes around the place. So, it's classroom for air law, radio theory/law etc followed by the JCAB written exam, then 767 ground school, FBS, FFS, type-rating test (if you don't already have one) and then the ATPL test. One more medical so they can issue your ATPL and then you get to go home for 10 days. This time off can sometimes be longer or a bit shorter but 10 is the normal plan. Expect this phase of training to take up to about 5 months for a non type-rated pilot. After that you've broken the back of it and its then back to NRT for a couple of weeks of ground school to 'learn' the airports (yes, shake your head in disbelief just as we all did) and then you start your OJT. I believe this is 12 sectors for an FO but don't quote me on that, as it may well be more. Another check follows OJT and then you're finished. Usually this ties in with your days for the month and most people take some vacation that they'll have owing, so normally people go home for 2-3 weeks after they take their final check. Captains have more sectors to do, so don't get to go home as soon.
You will have a couple of opportunities for your wife and kids to visit while you're in training. If I remember correctly, they'll pay the airfare once for the whole family, plus 7 days accommodation and then once for the wife's airfare plus 7 days accommodation. If you're a bird then replace 'wife' with 'husband'. Many without kids (or very understanding relatives) have their wife stay longer and, as before OJT you're in apartment accommodation, this isn't a problem. During OJT you'll be in the Excel Hotel, so I assume your wife would need to be paid for.
They seem to be recruiting like mad at the moment but none of us can work out why they're increasing their numbers so dramatically. Rumours are rife regarding the 787 etc but if ANA know what their plan is I don't think they're sharing it with AJX and certainly not us worker bees. The good news is there's plenty of slots to join, the bad news is we don't know what's ahead. What's new
I don't think the course structure has changed since they were still flying Zeroes around the place. So, it's classroom for air law, radio theory/law etc followed by the JCAB written exam, then 767 ground school, FBS, FFS, type-rating test (if you don't already have one) and then the ATPL test. One more medical so they can issue your ATPL and then you get to go home for 10 days. This time off can sometimes be longer or a bit shorter but 10 is the normal plan. Expect this phase of training to take up to about 5 months for a non type-rated pilot. After that you've broken the back of it and its then back to NRT for a couple of weeks of ground school to 'learn' the airports (yes, shake your head in disbelief just as we all did) and then you start your OJT. I believe this is 12 sectors for an FO but don't quote me on that, as it may well be more. Another check follows OJT and then you're finished. Usually this ties in with your days for the month and most people take some vacation that they'll have owing, so normally people go home for 2-3 weeks after they take their final check. Captains have more sectors to do, so don't get to go home as soon.
You will have a couple of opportunities for your wife and kids to visit while you're in training. If I remember correctly, they'll pay the airfare once for the whole family, plus 7 days accommodation and then once for the wife's airfare plus 7 days accommodation. If you're a bird then replace 'wife' with 'husband'. Many without kids (or very understanding relatives) have their wife stay longer and, as before OJT you're in apartment accommodation, this isn't a problem. During OJT you'll be in the Excel Hotel, so I assume your wife would need to be paid for.
They seem to be recruiting like mad at the moment but none of us can work out why they're increasing their numbers so dramatically. Rumours are rife regarding the 787 etc but if ANA know what their plan is I don't think they're sharing it with AJX and certainly not us worker bees. The good news is there's plenty of slots to join, the bad news is we don't know what's ahead. What's new
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Fratemate..
Thanks for the synopsis of the training footprint and commuting structure. Good info!
I've got an interview in Tokyo in April and if successful I'll be breaking up my commute between NZ, Thaialnd and the U.S. (if possible).
Is the atmosphere in trainging a positive one? Looks like a long syllabus (I'm not rated in the 767) Are the resources provided good? Suggestions on best ways to stay sane yet study hard since the footprint is so long?
Well first things first,,, got to get the job..
Cheers!
Thanks for the synopsis of the training footprint and commuting structure. Good info!
I've got an interview in Tokyo in April and if successful I'll be breaking up my commute between NZ, Thaialnd and the U.S. (if possible).
Is the atmosphere in trainging a positive one? Looks like a long syllabus (I'm not rated in the 767) Are the resources provided good? Suggestions on best ways to stay sane yet study hard since the footprint is so long?
Well first things first,,, got to get the job..
Cheers!
FD-Off,
you don't pay any tax on non hk generated income, as proven by the CE of HKG regarding his 4m pounds payout from an australian listed company....
Taiwan not so sure~~~
you don't pay any tax on non hk generated income, as proven by the CE of HKG regarding his 4m pounds payout from an australian listed company....
Taiwan not so sure~~~
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Hi Fratemate,
Could you give us the link where you saw the announcement of the new ANA (HND-SYD flight).
I can't find anything, I can find the official announcements on the new Houston and KL flights and the new extra BKK, SIN, HNL flights. I can't find the Sydney one though.
I just want to see what the timings of the flights are and when they start.
Cheers.
Could you give us the link where you saw the announcement of the new ANA (HND-SYD flight).
I can't find anything, I can find the official announcements on the new Houston and KL flights and the new extra BKK, SIN, HNL flights. I can't find the Sydney one though.
I just want to see what the timings of the flights are and when they start.
Cheers.
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Hi Capt Coco,
I heard the Sydney rumour from about four or five of our cabin crew and the last one was talking about it being in one of the Japanese newspapers. The only link I could find to it is this, which specifically talks about the newspapers mentioning it:
Oz Business Traveller
Maybe the end of the year but who knows?
I heard the Sydney rumour from about four or five of our cabin crew and the last one was talking about it being in one of the Japanese newspapers. The only link I could find to it is this, which specifically talks about the newspapers mentioning it:
Oz Business Traveller
Maybe the end of the year but who knows?
latest ANA route news
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If I wanted to commute from a regional airport in Europe, will AJX only pay for me to get to one of the hubs in Europe and it would then be at my own cost to get home from there? Also, how flexible are the company if you wanted to change back and forth between two destinations for commuting?
Finally, why are there adverts for DEC positions on the Crew Resources website but there is bound to be many exptienced FOs with experience?
How long is it to the LHS for F/Os joining now?
Thanks
Finally, why are there adverts for DEC positions on the Crew Resources website but there is bound to be many exptienced FOs with experience?
How long is it to the LHS for F/Os joining now?
Thanks
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Let me begin by recommending to read the thread.., I realize that it is massive but go back about 4 years worth and start from there. Not only all these questions have been discussed in great detail but also because many other issues that you might not think about asking have also been discussed.
If I wanted to commute from a regional airport in Europe, will AJX only pay for me to get to one of the hubs in Europe and it would then be at my own cost to get home from there?
If you choose business class commute.., you will get a ticket to the closest airport to your home, be it a mayor hub or a regional airport
Also, how flexible are the company if you wanted to change back and forth between two destinations for commuting?
You get two commuting destinations provided they meet the criteria (you own a vacation home there, your parents resident town, your kids live there..., in short, there is a logical reason as to why you want to go there, other than it has good surf)
And you can choose between your two commuting destinations at your discretion as long as you send the application by the due date.
Finally, why are there adverts for DEC positions on the Crew Resources website but there is bound to be many exptienced FOs with experience?
Don't ask why.....! Why doesn't compute...! LOL..,
DEC's are not being hired unless they have a JCAB license and thus far the hiring of DEC's has not obstruct the F/O's upgrades
How long is it to the LHS for F/Os joining now?
Historically F/O's have been joining the line as captains by the 4-5 year mark....!
Having said that.., we just don't know what kind of utilization will ANA give to AJX going forward nor do we know how will that impact the average time for upgrades.
All we know is that hiring will continue with a class every other month at least through 2018, the why's, have not been shared with us, we are just going along for the ride...!
If I wanted to commute from a regional airport in Europe, will AJX only pay for me to get to one of the hubs in Europe and it would then be at my own cost to get home from there?
If you choose business class commute.., you will get a ticket to the closest airport to your home, be it a mayor hub or a regional airport
Also, how flexible are the company if you wanted to change back and forth between two destinations for commuting?
You get two commuting destinations provided they meet the criteria (you own a vacation home there, your parents resident town, your kids live there..., in short, there is a logical reason as to why you want to go there, other than it has good surf)
And you can choose between your two commuting destinations at your discretion as long as you send the application by the due date.
Finally, why are there adverts for DEC positions on the Crew Resources website but there is bound to be many exptienced FOs with experience?
Don't ask why.....! Why doesn't compute...! LOL..,
DEC's are not being hired unless they have a JCAB license and thus far the hiring of DEC's has not obstruct the F/O's upgrades
How long is it to the LHS for F/Os joining now?
Historically F/O's have been joining the line as captains by the 4-5 year mark....!
Having said that.., we just don't know what kind of utilization will ANA give to AJX going forward nor do we know how will that impact the average time for upgrades.
All we know is that hiring will continue with a class every other month at least through 2018, the why's, have not been shared with us, we are just going along for the ride...!