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Originally Posted by zelin
Well, anyone knows of any prospects in the Singapore aviation industry for the ladies? It certainly seems like it's a dead end, esp with SIA not accepting females into their cadet pilot/flight instructor programme. 
Sigh~
Sigh~Dont give up hope there are many avenues for you beside SIA. Look elsewhere if you really love to fly. Malaysia will be a good place that give more people opportunities in the aviation industry.
Btw, johor flying club is not down, just that they are waiting for their aircrafts to be service back. Also now malaysia DCA has already stopped PPL holders from training as an AFI and one needs a CPL/IR to get into the MFA or LATC to train as AFI. So just clearing things up before you guys/gals get all excited. It is a sad thing but no choice DCA is having major restructuring.
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Originally Posted by zelin
Well, anyone knows of any prospects in the Singapore aviation industry for the ladies? It certainly seems like it's a dead end, esp with SIA not accepting females into their cadet pilot/flight instructor programme. Sigh~
Sigh~All hopes are not lost if you are keen on flying with SilkAir.
I know an NUS senior (who handed her FYP project down to me after she graduated in 2002) who applied to silkair, got her interview, passed it. She's now flying the A320 as a FO. She was one of 2 girls in the batch of cadets who started training sometime late in 2002. Those were the times when SIA and SilkAir held different recruitment exercises and interviews. Its different now.
I hope I can help by passing you her contact when I get back to singapore in 2007 so that you can ask for advice. Apologies I can't do it now cos I've temporalily suspended my sg starhub account and her number is in my sim card. Meanwhile read up, look around for options and NETWORK! Look up and never give up!
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Info on LATC
Anyone got any information on LATC or HM Aerospace as they're called now? I checked their website, but was just wondering if anyone had any extra bits to share. Seems like a decent place to learn flying.
Is HM Aerospace in anyway related to MFA? Is the quality of instruction/training/instructors good? Is the license obtained from this school any different (less recognised/more recognised) than MFA? Is it as crowded as MFA? If not, why isn't everybody going there?
Any comments appreciated.
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Is HM Aerospace in anyway related to MFA? Is the quality of instruction/training/instructors good? Is the license obtained from this school any different (less recognised/more recognised) than MFA? Is it as crowded as MFA? If not, why isn't everybody going there?
Any comments appreciated.
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Originally Posted by demandpump
Anyone got any information on LATC or HM Aerospace as they're called now? I checked their website, but was just wondering if anyone had any extra bits to share. Seems like a decent place to learn flying.
Is HM Aerospace in anyway related to MFA? Is the quality of instruction/training/instructors good? Is the license obtained from this school any different (less recognised/more recognised) than MFA? Is it as crowded as MFA? If not, why isn't everybody going there?
Any comments appreciated.
Thanks
Is HM Aerospace in anyway related to MFA? Is the quality of instruction/training/instructors good? Is the license obtained from this school any different (less recognised/more recognised) than MFA? Is it as crowded as MFA? If not, why isn't everybody going there?
Any comments appreciated.
Thanks
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Flying in the US?
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... I went to FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach Florida and did my CPL/Multi/IR plus an instructors rating there. You have the option under the J1 visa in the states to continue there for a year as an instructor to build time if you get selected. hope this helps
I have explored the option of getting a CPL/IR in FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach Florida but was quite apprehensive since I am foreigner and will not have rights to work/live in the US. I understand that there is always the option of license conversion to comply with the local authorities anywhere, however I am also exploring ways to gain hours working as a foreigner overseas.
I wonder if you could shed some light on hiring policies in the US to alleviate my pessimism. let me explain:
I would like to quote an example. Friend “A” (fellow SIA reject) recently went to UK for the selection of the British Airways CitiExpress (BACX) approved pilot training program with Flight Training Europe. He passed all 4 phases of the selection and was one of the 12 out of the 300 odd applicants who were offered the scheme. After getting the formal letter of offer and quitting his job in Singapore to make preparations for the Initial UK JAR Class 1 medical, student VISA for training in Spain and arrangements of funding, he received a rude shock. He was told the offer made to him would be withdrawn if he does not have the legal right to work/live in the UK.
Thinking that applying a UK working permit is just an administrative procedure, he went about to look into how he could apply for one. To his disappointment, he was told by the UK Home office that only a UK based employer could do it for him. There is no provision of any kind for him to a apply on his own behalf. Although BACX requires him to have a working permit before the scheme could be offered to him, they are “not able” to apply one for him. He was devastated. He is in the process of looking for another job, and would probably be haunted by the cruel experience for the rest of his life.
The same applies for the australian option: I have already explored this option and have been visiting the Australian immigration website to research into the possibility. (For details please refer to http://www.immi.gov.au/). To those who are familiar with the immigration laws please correct me if I’m wrong. To work in Australia as a skilled person, he has a few choices, to apply for the temporary employer-sponsorship arrangement, or become a permanent resident where he can work after getting his VISA in the “general s killed migration” program or the “employer sponsored migration” program. All of these options would require him to satisfy a set of criteria before the permit would be granted. To a mechanical engineering graduate who has about 2 years of working experience like me, I found the permits quite difficult to get. It would be easier for a student who has studied for at least 2 years in an australian registered institution to apply for one ( because he would have more points to apply for the PR which allows him to work), or get an australian employer to get you into one of the “employer sponsored” program. As to whether the employer is willing to do it for the prospective foreigner employee, I am aware that there is an abundance of australian CPL/IR holders waiting around for any kind of bush jobs and employers would not go through the hassle of applying a work permit for a foreigner.
The above 2 examples kind of gave me the idea that taking a license in the US/Europe/Aus and working there isn't quite as straight forward as it seems because of work permits issues. And would getting the J1 visa in the states to continue there for a year as an instructor help much in clocking the required hours? 1 year seems to short a time to get the required hours.
Any replies or comments are welcomed.
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Hi cochise,
I have explored the option of getting a CPL/IR in FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach Florida but was quite apprehensive since I am foreigner and will not have rights to work/live in the US. I understand that there is always the option of license conversion to comply with the local authorities anywhere, however I am also exploring ways to gain hours working as a foreigner overseas.
I wonder if you could shed some light on hiring policies in the US to alleviate my pessimism. let me explain:
I would like to quote an example. Friend “A” (fellow SIA reject) recently went to UK for the selection of the British Airways CitiExpress (BACX) approved pilot training program with Flight Training Europe. He passed all 4 phases of the selection and was one of the 12 out of the 300 odd applicants who were offered the scheme. After getting the formal letter of offer and quitting his job in Singapore to make preparations for the Initial UK JAR Class 1 medical, student VISA for training in Spain and arrangements of funding, he received a rude shock. He was told the offer made to him would be withdrawn if he does not have the legal right to work/live in the UK.
Thinking that applying a UK working permit is just an administrative procedure, he went about to look into how he could apply for one. To his disappointment, he was told by the UK Home office that only a UK based employer could do it for him. There is no provision of any kind for him to a apply on his own behalf. Although BACX requires him to have a working permit before the scheme could be offered to him, they are “not able” to apply one for him. He was devastated. He is in the process of looking for another job, and would probably be haunted by the cruel experience for the rest of his life.
The same applies for the australian option: I have already explored this option and have been visiting the Australian immigration website to research into the possibility. (For details please refer to http://www.immi.gov.au/). To those who are familiar with the immigration laws please correct me if I’m wrong. To work in Australia as a skilled person, he has a few choices, to apply for the temporary employer-sponsorship arrangement, or become a permanent resident where he can work after getting his VISA in the “general s killed migration” program or the “employer sponsored migration” program. All of these options would require him to satisfy a set of criteria before the permit would be granted. To a mechanical engineering graduate who has about 2 years of working experience like me, I found the permits quite difficult to get. It would be easier for a student who has studied for at least 2 years in an australian registered institution to apply for one ( because he would have more points to apply for the PR which allows him to work), or get an australian employer to get you into one of the “employer sponsored” program. As to whether the employer is willing to do it for the prospective foreigner employee, I am aware that there is an abundance of australian CPL/IR holders waiting around for any kind of bush jobs and employers would not go through the hassle of applying a work permit for a foreigner.
The above 2 examples kind of gave me the idea that taking a license in the US/Europe/Aus and working there isn't quite as straight forward as it seems because of work permits issues. And would getting the J1 visa in the states to continue there for a year as an instructor help much in clocking the required hours? 1 year seems to short a time to get the required hours.
Any replies or comments are welcomed.
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I have explored the option of getting a CPL/IR in FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach Florida but was quite apprehensive since I am foreigner and will not have rights to work/live in the US. I understand that there is always the option of license conversion to comply with the local authorities anywhere, however I am also exploring ways to gain hours working as a foreigner overseas.
I wonder if you could shed some light on hiring policies in the US to alleviate my pessimism. let me explain:
I would like to quote an example. Friend “A” (fellow SIA reject) recently went to UK for the selection of the British Airways CitiExpress (BACX) approved pilot training program with Flight Training Europe. He passed all 4 phases of the selection and was one of the 12 out of the 300 odd applicants who were offered the scheme. After getting the formal letter of offer and quitting his job in Singapore to make preparations for the Initial UK JAR Class 1 medical, student VISA for training in Spain and arrangements of funding, he received a rude shock. He was told the offer made to him would be withdrawn if he does not have the legal right to work/live in the UK.
Thinking that applying a UK working permit is just an administrative procedure, he went about to look into how he could apply for one. To his disappointment, he was told by the UK Home office that only a UK based employer could do it for him. There is no provision of any kind for him to a apply on his own behalf. Although BACX requires him to have a working permit before the scheme could be offered to him, they are “not able” to apply one for him. He was devastated. He is in the process of looking for another job, and would probably be haunted by the cruel experience for the rest of his life.
The same applies for the australian option: I have already explored this option and have been visiting the Australian immigration website to research into the possibility. (For details please refer to http://www.immi.gov.au/). To those who are familiar with the immigration laws please correct me if I’m wrong. To work in Australia as a skilled person, he has a few choices, to apply for the temporary employer-sponsorship arrangement, or become a permanent resident where he can work after getting his VISA in the “general s killed migration” program or the “employer sponsored migration” program. All of these options would require him to satisfy a set of criteria before the permit would be granted. To a mechanical engineering graduate who has about 2 years of working experience like me, I found the permits quite difficult to get. It would be easier for a student who has studied for at least 2 years in an australian registered institution to apply for one ( because he would have more points to apply for the PR which allows him to work), or get an australian employer to get you into one of the “employer sponsored” program. As to whether the employer is willing to do it for the prospective foreigner employee, I am aware that there is an abundance of australian CPL/IR holders waiting around for any kind of bush jobs and employers would not go through the hassle of applying a work permit for a foreigner.
The above 2 examples kind of gave me the idea that taking a license in the US/Europe/Aus and working there isn't quite as straight forward as it seems because of work permits issues. And would getting the J1 visa in the states to continue there for a year as an instructor help much in clocking the required hours? 1 year seems to short a time to get the required hours.
Any replies or comments are welcomed.
cruiser.
My advise for prospective instructors is, do it in malaysia, malaysia welcomes singaporeans much more than you would expect. Also there are real shortages of instructors in malaysia and if you can be one, clocking 60-80 hours a month is a really realistic thing to get.
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Originally Posted by 9M-
HM is not related to MFA. They have about 5 instructors. Principal is ex MFA principal. Instructor must hold at least a CPL to be able to instruct. As it has limited instructors and planes, its student intake will definitely not be as much as MFA. All in all a decent place to learn flying with good weather and flying around the island is an experience of a lifetime.
Also, do you know how I can contact them? None of their email addresses are working. And the "submit" button on their enquiries page doesn't seem to be working as well.
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Also there are real shortages of instructors in malaysia and if you can be one, clocking 60-80 hours a month is a really realistic thing to get.
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Originally Posted by demandpump
Thanks for the info 9M-. Do you know the history of the place? When it started? Who owns it. Is it government funded? What happened to the original LATC?
Also, do you know how I can contact them? None of their email addresses are working. And the "submit" button on their enquiries page doesn't seem to be working as well.
If there are not enough instructors, wouldn't it be easy to hire new foreign ones? I'm sure there would be many instructors in Australia who would meet the hour requirements for license conversion?
Also, do you know how I can contact them? None of their email addresses are working. And the "submit" button on their enquiries page doesn't seem to be working as well.
If there are not enough instructors, wouldn't it be easy to hire new foreign ones? I'm sure there would be many instructors in Australia who would meet the hour requirements for license conversion?
I will try to get the contact for you. i have 2 students who are waiting to get in there.
Hiring foreign instructors are easy. The only thing is they come for 2 years then they will go after the contract ends. Therefore malaysian schools prefer to employ their own people which are so rare. Next better choice people nearby like singapore, indonesia etc.
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Originally Posted by 9M-
Hi,
Instructors are in HUGH demand now in malaysia. DCA had just come up with new rules making training for Assistant Flying Instructor difficult. If you can become an instructor, looking for a club to teach will not be a problem. In another word flying clubs will grab you like gold.
The catch is, flying clubs in malaysia pay instructor by hourly commission. Meaning no flight = no money. So if you want a more stable income, joining MFA or LATC will provide you with fix pay irregardless of how many flights you do a month. Anyway getting employed in MFA is not difficult provided you got the basic qualification they are looking for. You just need a CPL and an instructor rating, they will take u in. MFA consist of 90% foreign instructors btw.
As for flying clubs in johor, there are currently 3. Fras flying club, Elite flying club and Johor flying club. Hope this informations help and if you need anymore info you can always ask again.
Instructors are in HUGH demand now in malaysia. DCA had just come up with new rules making training for Assistant Flying Instructor difficult. If you can become an instructor, looking for a club to teach will not be a problem. In another word flying clubs will grab you like gold.
The catch is, flying clubs in malaysia pay instructor by hourly commission. Meaning no flight = no money. So if you want a more stable income, joining MFA or LATC will provide you with fix pay irregardless of how many flights you do a month. Anyway getting employed in MFA is not difficult provided you got the basic qualification they are looking for. You just need a CPL and an instructor rating, they will take u in. MFA consist of 90% foreign instructors btw.
As for flying clubs in johor, there are currently 3. Fras flying club, Elite flying club and Johor flying club. Hope this informations help and if you need anymore info you can always ask again.
Great Info! Do you by any chance have an idea of how much MFA or LATC pay their instructors?
Got some info on SYFC pay:S$ 2100 gross per month during license conversion if applicable, increasing to S$2800 gross per month upon commencement of AFI Course. Upon appointment as a quialified AFI, you will receive S$3100 gross per month rising to S$3600 gross per month upon upgrade to a full instructor rating. Salary for full instructors range from S$3600 to S$7700 per month.
The ad which came out some years ago further adds "willing to be trained as a CAAS flying instructor if without a CAAS instructor rating"
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Hi 9M-,
Great Info! Do you by any chance have an idea of how much MFA or LATC pay their instructors?
Got some info on SYFC pay:S$ 2100 gross per month during license conversion if applicable, increasing to S$2800 gross per month upon commencement of AFI Course. Upon appointment as a quialified AFI, you will receive S$3100 gross per month rising to S$3600 gross per month upon upgrade to a full instructor rating. Salary for full instructors range from S$3600 to S$7700 per month.
The ad which came out some years ago further adds "willing to be trained as a CAAS flying instructor if without a CAAS instructor rating"
Cheers,
Great Info! Do you by any chance have an idea of how much MFA or LATC pay their instructors?
Got some info on SYFC pay:S$ 2100 gross per month during license conversion if applicable, increasing to S$2800 gross per month upon commencement of AFI Course. Upon appointment as a quialified AFI, you will receive S$3100 gross per month rising to S$3600 gross per month upon upgrade to a full instructor rating. Salary for full instructors range from S$3600 to S$7700 per month.
The ad which came out some years ago further adds "willing to be trained as a CAAS flying instructor if without a CAAS instructor rating"
Cheers,
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Originally Posted by cruisercruiser
Got some info on SYFC pay:S$ 2100 gross per month during license conversion if applicable, increasing to S$2800 gross per month upon commencement of AFI Course. Upon appointment as a quialified AFI, you will receive S$3100 gross per month rising to S$3600 gross per month upon upgrade to a full instructor rating. Salary for full instructors range from S$3600 to S$7700 per month.
I wonder if they have flying allowance on top of that as well?
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Many thanks 9M and Cruiser for your words of encouragement. Cruiser, i would certainly love to fly with silkair if there's a chance in the future and Thanks in advance for the contact.
I'm trying to figure out how i can do a CPL course in malaysia...wondering if there's any part-time CPL courses ard? I can't quit my job, need whatever miserable pay i'm getting to save to fly...hehz.
I have another question: What's the CPL flying syallabus like? And the requirements? I've tried doing a search on PPRuNe, but there seems to be hardly any post on the flying syllabus itself.
I'm trying to figure out how i can do a CPL course in malaysia...wondering if there's any part-time CPL courses ard? I can't quit my job, need whatever miserable pay i'm getting to save to fly...hehz.
I have another question: What's the CPL flying syallabus like? And the requirements? I've tried doing a search on PPRuNe, but there seems to be hardly any post on the flying syllabus itself.
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i don't think u can do CPL part time.....
you will take forever to finish...
FOR CPL.... it's full-time.. the only part time available is PPL.
If i remember correctly, SIA did specifically advertised for female cadets sometime ago... am i right?
you will take forever to finish...
FOR CPL.... it's full-time.. the only part time available is PPL.
If i remember correctly, SIA did specifically advertised for female cadets sometime ago... am i right?
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Originally Posted by fhchiang
i don't think u can do CPL part time.....
you will take forever to finish...
FOR CPL.... it's full-time.. the only part time available is PPL.
If i remember correctly, SIA did specifically advertised for female cadets sometime ago... am i right?
you will take forever to finish...
FOR CPL.... it's full-time.. the only part time available is PPL.
If i remember correctly, SIA did specifically advertised for female cadets sometime ago... am i right?
Errrm...not that i recall. I've never seen such advert. Where did u see it?
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i'm not that sure..
but i remember during that time..
MALE Cadets and FEmale Cadets have seperate interviews........
MALE will compete with MALE..
Female cadets will only compete with female cadets...
If it's not SIA, then it might be MAS, or AA
but i remember during that time..
MALE Cadets and FEmale Cadets have seperate interviews........
MALE will compete with MALE..
Female cadets will only compete with female cadets...
If it's not SIA, then it might be MAS, or AA
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Originally Posted by zelin
Many thanks 9M and Cruiser for your words of encouragement. Cruiser, i would certainly love to fly with silkair if there's a chance in the future and Thanks in advance for the contact.
I'm trying to figure out how i can do a CPL course in malaysia...wondering if there's any part-time CPL courses ard? I can't quit my job, need whatever miserable pay i'm getting to save to fly...hehz.
I have another question: What's the CPL flying syallabus like? And the requirements? I've tried doing a search on PPRuNe, but there seems to be hardly any post on the flying syllabus itself.
I'm trying to figure out how i can do a CPL course in malaysia...wondering if there's any part-time CPL courses ard? I can't quit my job, need whatever miserable pay i'm getting to save to fly...hehz.
I have another question: What's the CPL flying syallabus like? And the requirements? I've tried doing a search on PPRuNe, but there seems to be hardly any post on the flying syllabus itself.
In singapore you cant. In malaysia yes you can. The catch is you need to clock personally 500 hours total. Then u will be eligible to take all the UKCAA papers. After u had pass your papers, all u need is a simple flight test and you will have your CPL with a frozen ATPL. Sounds easy eh? Glad to be able to help.
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Originally Posted by fhchiang
hoho..
didn't know that...
thanks for the info...
anyway..
niner-mike, are u a member or any flying club? or a pilot?
didn't know that...
thanks for the info...
anyway..
niner-mike, are u a member or any flying club? or a pilot?
Flying is really a nice and wonderful thing to be doing. Sometimes i really wonder how come i dont get to read thread from people asking hows the feeling of flying like and how to improve the skill of flying. Rather i hear so many people only interested in getting into airlines etc. Really losing the real essence of flying. Sad but true...
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What's the CPL flying syallabus like? And the requirements? I've tried doing a search on PPRuNe, but there seems to be hardly any post on the flying syllabus itself.
http://www.mfa.edu.my/MFA-17-10-2005-CPLIR-or-IntegratedDirect-2006.pdf.
You may also like to check out hm aerospace's (LATC) website. But not very informative. A lot of the links not working properly.
http://www.hmaerospace.com/
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Yup i fly in malaysia johor and i love it. Been to many places in malaysia such as subang, malacca, ipoh, penang, langkawi, mersing, simpang and also seletar.
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Hi 9M-, are you Singaporean? Did you fund your own training in Malaysia? If so, which school did you train? How did you get into your current job? Thanks in advance.[/quote]
Yup pure singaporean. I pay my own money to fly in malaysia. what current job r u referring to?
Yup pure singaporean. I pay my own money to fly in malaysia. what current job r u referring to?