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Old 16th January 2008, 14:19   #1001 (permalink)
 
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No 18 year old is going to have a degree in engineering though. And if they did, they probably weren't thinking about airlines to begin with.
Out of curiosity, the RSAF sounds like the airforce so it's okay to assume that the 26 age limit is only for SIA applicants? What about applicants applying for Hong Kong and such?
I think it's 25.5 now, and yes it's for singaporeans only. M'sians don't have this, so i don't think if applicants from HK will have it either.
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Old 17th January 2008, 09:55   #1002 (permalink)
 
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Hello everyone, I have just been called to do a medical test prior my first interview in Hong Kong ( I have applied SQ Cadet Pilot Programme (Hong Kong) ) . Unfortunately, I am born to be colour-deficient and I have failed the Ishihara test for my Class 2 Medical in Australia. I would like to know whether Singapore Airlines cockpit crew medical (or CAAS class 1 medical) would accept any alternative methods for testing colour vision? say farnsworth lantern test or light gun test. My interview is scheduled on the next Friday. Now I am thinking of going to make an appointment to do a lantern test or something, and send them the results as well and see how it goes.
The requirements for the medical are found here:
http://www.caas.gov.sg/caasWeb/expor..._Amendment.pdf

Refer to Section 3:

3 COLOUR PERCEPTION REQUIREMENTS

3.1 The applicant shall be required to demonstrate the ability to perceive readily those colours the perception of which is necessary for the safe performance of duties.

3.2 The applicant shall be tested for the ability to correctly identify a series of pseudoisochromatic plates in daylight or in artificial light of the same colour temperature such as that provided by CIE standard illuminants C or D65 as specified by the International Commission on Illumination (CIE).

3.3 An applicant obtaining a satisfactory result as prescribed by the evaluating medical examiner shall be assessed as fit. An applicant failing to obtain a satisfactory result in such a test shall be assessed as unfit unless able to readily distinguish the colours used in air navigation and correctly identify aviation coloured lights. Applicants who fail to meet these criteria shall be assessed as unfit.

3.3.1 Sunglasses worn during the exercise of the privileges of the licence or rating held shall be nonpolarizing and of a neutral grey tint.

An interpretation of these requirements are therefore:
3.2. The Ishihara test will be the standard test.
3.3. The opinion of the examining doctor as to whether your result is satisfactory or not is the final decision.

If you can't pass the Ishihara test you should not be flying. You are a hazard to your fellow pilots if ever you get a license by memorizing the plates.

You may like to know that your first medical examination will be conducted at the Civil Aviation Medical Board, and then thereafter at least once every four medicals. For sure they will make yo do the Ishihara test. They also rearrange the sequence of the plates at near random. Your chances of passing that test using memorisation techniques are very slim indeed.

It is better to never qualify than to qualify based on trickery and then discover that you may have to pay back the training bond. SIA views such attempts at circumventing regulations very seriously and will not hesitate to sack you particularly if you are only a cadet.

As a matter of interest the Farnsworth Lantern test is not much more successful than the Ishihara test (ie in rare cases someone who fails the Ishihars may pass the Farnsworth Lantern Test):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...12/ai_n9009350

SIA is not so desperate that it will invest in salvaging potential cadets who have failed the Ishihara on the rare chance that he might pass the Farnsworth.

In any case, even if they do put up c ase for you, CAAS still does not accept the Farnsworth test.
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Old 19th January 2008, 08:48   #1003 (permalink)
 
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Well there is an application form for HK Cadets, and it doesn't seem to say anything about age on any of the application forms.
The website says Hong Kong, Penang, Kuala Lumpur are the different cities that SIA offers it's cadet program to.
So there's HK (China) and Malaysia, can't Singaporeans apply? =P
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Old 22nd January 2008, 09:26   #1004 (permalink)
 
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mags_both,
Do the full color test. You might need to go to a specialist for that. SIA will take you if you can prove to be colour safe.
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Old 23rd January 2008, 14:23   #1005 (permalink)
 
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Hi all...


I'm a Singapore PR originally from Indonesia. I did not take any GCE O level subjects because I graduated my junior and senior high school in Indonesia and I already have a degree in Computer Science. I'm thinking of taking the O level exam to fulfill the cadet pilot requirement. Do you guys think that is possible?

Could anyone pm me the number of SIA HR dept or help me ask them about it? I highly appreciate your help. Thanks...
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Old 24th January 2008, 06:38   #1006 (permalink)
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i was led to believe that if i met the minimum requirements, SIA would at the very least grant me an interview. but nooo, guess what, I didnt even get a sniff.

some background info, I'm 26, 1.8m, 7 'O's (pure physics), 3'A's, 2'AO's, last year in uni reading e.eng. eyesight, R: 200 astig 175 6/24 L: 150 astig 175 6/18.

2 days after i submitted the online application, it was rejected. i'm miffed.

at the same time, i found out that i passed the RSAF computer test and now waiting for them to schedule an interview.

some ppl have mentioned in another forum that it could be my astig. and that it has to be lower than 150.

i'm quite sure it's not about my eyesight, hell, i represent my division for shooting competition.

having a parent in SIA doesnt help either.

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Old 3rd February 2008, 18:58   #1007 (permalink)
 
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You can look for Edward Tan at 65498070.

His e-mail is [email address]
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Old 3rd February 2008, 22:41   #1008 (permalink)
 
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Its not very nice to post Edward's contact in the open. All necessary requirements are stated in the advertisements and website. If you really feel that you wanna help someone you can pm him direct the contact. I believe the HR are already busy enough as they are and applications should go through proper channels.


airplane79:
The website says GCE ‘A’ Level. Polytechnic Diploma or Degree. In addition, you must have obtained a minimum of 5 credits in the GCE ‘O’ Level or its equivalent.

If you have an equivalent you do not need to sit for the 'O's
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Old 4th February 2008, 02:19   #1009 (permalink)
 
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echopapa:
Thanks for the contact info. I highly appreciate that. I also agree with jagr that it might be not a good idea to expose the contact info in the public. I believe that you have considered avoiding email spammers as I see you post the email address as an image But as you know, nowadays there are automated web tools that can read letters in images. Any chance to re-edit your post?


jagr:
I went over the syllabus of GCE O level... It seems my junior high school diploma is an equivalent. But the grades in the diploma are in numeric format. Any clue if I need to convert the grades to O level grade format?
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Old 4th February 2008, 02:56   #1010 (permalink)
 
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not necessary if it is recognised, they will do the necessary conversion themselves if required.
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Old 4th February 2008, 03:41   #1011 (permalink)
 
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I see... thanks...
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Old 4th February 2008, 06:45   #1012 (permalink)
 
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Just got the mail for the 2nd Interview.... I would assume nothing much has changed apart from the removal of the Situational tests from the procedure... Anyone here attending the 2nd round next week? And btw this thread is really brilliant... helped clear quite a few doubts

Cheers
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Old 4th February 2008, 08:54   #1013 (permalink)
 
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Did anyone apply for the cadet pilot position during the JobsDB Career Expo at Suntec 2 weeks ago? I applied then but haven't received a reply from SIA yet. Was initially very excited but am slowly getting a little too anxious now
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Old 5th February 2008, 02:45   #1014 (permalink)
 
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the recruitment is on-going. you could try applying direct on the website.
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Old 5th February 2008, 06:20   #1015 (permalink)
 
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airplane 79,
Indonesian Ebtanas and STTB SMP are indeed equivalent to GCE O Level.. There is no need to convert the grades, but it is advisable to produce the certified copy of the translation in English, and put a note that those grades are based on the scale of 1 to 10. It worked for me...

Porcupine82,
Meeting the minimum standard doesn't grant you an interview. There are other factors that put into the selection, such as ECA records, work experience, etc.. However you can always re-submit your application.. I'm not sure how the new computerized system works, but one of my coursemates applied 6 times before he was called for an interview.

JA
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Old 7th February 2008, 07:14   #1016 (permalink)
 
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Hi SmileAirlines.... wow... thanks for the info!


Happy CNY to all of you!
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Old 10th February 2008, 04:18   #1017 (permalink)
 
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SIA Cabin Crew applying for Cadet pilot programme.

Hi Guys,

I am currently working with SIA as cabin crew for slightly over 2 years.I turn 25 this month.I have always wanted to work as a pilot for SQ since i was young.I applied to RSAF when i was 19 but didnt get through.

I currently have Frozen ATPL with multi-engine Instrument rating and appx 260hours from Australia.But i got all the qualifications in 2002.

Would it be an ideal time to apply for Cadetship?Are there any suggestions which i should take note of before i apply?cos i would rather be prepared the 1st time to give me the best chance of success.

Any help is very much appriciated.Thank you.
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Old 11th February 2008, 20:09   #1018 (permalink)
 
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hi skyknight,

are you still under bond? if u are, dun bother. They will not consider.
If your bond is over(what i know for FSS is 3 yrs? FS i not sure), yes u can.

Rgds.
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Old 14th February 2008, 23:38   #1019 (permalink)
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Hi everyone,

First-timer here. Just wish to find out more about SIA before joining it. Have been hearing strange tales of cadetship...Rather confused about investing my future with SIA now.

Maybe someone can help shed some truth on whether are these tales true or false? These tales concern cadets going through the training.
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Old 15th February 2008, 01:18   #1020 (permalink)
 
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what tales are you referring to? need to be specific for anyone here to clear your doubts.
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