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Hello, There are some questions in my mind regarding this notice just put up by the DGCA, hope to get a answer back soon. 1.what is this test all about?Is it a practical, oral or written? 2.are we suppose to do it from the same flight school abroad from where CPL and IR was issued or it has to be done in india only? 3.what is this test all about? i mean what might be the syllabus? 4.If it can be done in the US and duly signed by an FAA inspector will that be good enough...?
I kind of like saw this coming . All the DGCA officers hinted that this would be made the rule soon all thanks to the FAKE PILOT SCAM
Not much of a difference than the old conversion chart .
The primary difference is if you want two types of aircraft ( multi and single ) endorsed on your license atleast one of the aircraft skill checks must be done in India
In Appendix I (A) Applicants must obtain from foreign for submission along with application
If you look at item number 8 it states that the skill checks can be done abroad .
(B) Applicants need to do in India before submission of application:-
Item number 1 states that Single Engine skill checks has to be done in India .
It also states that if you only want Multi then the skill checks have to be done in India since you are only endorsing one single type of aircraft on your license .
@Intruder101 The multi skill checks and other PIC requirement can be done abroad but single engine skill checks have to be done in India . Contact a flying school ask them about the syllabus and other requirements .
I am guessing you will also need to hold an FRTOL and Student Pilot license prior to doing any recency flying in India
I have noticed that you have a keen eye for detail and are always willing to help out on any querries regarding the DGCA.
I have gone through the flowchart and I have one or two main querries.
I have been trying to get Mr Vashist on the phone but no one's answering.
Lets see if we can work out an understanding here on this forum.
If I want a single engine endorsement on indian CPL, then the flowchart does not mention any skill test/general test/cross country test to be done abroad but I will need to do them here in india. am i right so far?
Next, if I want only multi endorsement on the Indian CPL, I still have to do the Day test, night test, IR check on the multi at my foriegn school on the DGCA format (as per point no. 8 of the first box, Part A) . Now these day/night test are general test and not skill test correct? However the last line of point 1 of Part B (second Box) says that the skill test will be carried out in India for multi endorsement. Which test are these? are they diff from the day test/nigh test/ir check mentioned above in part A, point no. 8? do I have to repeat those in india? What about the cross country checks by day and night? will i need to them in india or abroad if I want only multi on indian CPL because i wont do them abroad as they are not mentioned in part A and I wont do them in india as I am only asking for multi on indian CPL and for that it only says i need multi skill tests here..
So to summarise, I will be getting a multi+IFR from abroad and will want only Multi+IFR here, not single or single+IFR. What do i need to do there and what do i need to do here in terms of flying/skill test?
On a related note, what is the difference between general flight tests by day and night Versus day and night skill test? I cant find the various forms for them on the DGCA site .only found CA 40 for general flight test. which forms are to be used for skill checks and cross country checks?
would be grateful to anyone who can clarify these for me.
Now these day/night test are general test and not skill test correct?
The Day , Night and IR check are the skill checks / tests . Form CA 40 B is used for the multi aircraft .
However the last line of point 1 of Part B (second Box) says that the skill test will be carried out in India for multi endorsement. Which test are these? are they diff from the day test/nigh test/ir check mentioned above in part A, point no. 8? do I have to repeat those in india?
In case CPL is requested only on Multi engine aircraft then skill tests on the said type will be carried out in India
It has now been decided by the Competent Authority that all applications for issue of Indian CPL will be accompanied with skill test reports on at least one aircraft type required to be endorsed on the Indian licence in accordance with para 4 of the said CAR.
As you can see its clearly mentioned .
If you are getting both multi and single Then Single to be done in India , Multi can be done abroad
If you are getting only Multi Then Multi has to be done in India. But then you will need to do the 1 hr day check ( skill test ) , 1 hr night check , 1 IR check but also the 250nm VFR XC ( this is also a flying test )by and 120nm VFR XC ( also a flying test) by night also has to be done on multi .
Even though the flow chart does not mention it it clearly states in Schedule II of the aircraft rules that XC test must be done on every aircraft that you want endorsed on your license ( sometimes the licensing officer skips this rule if you do xc checks on the single sometimes they enforce it for both multi and single , better to be on the safe side )
"If you are getting both multi and single Then Single to be done in India , Multi can be done abroad
If you are getting only Multi Then Multi has to be done in India. But then you will need to do the 1 hr day check ( skill test ) , 1 hr night check , 1 IR check but also the 250nm VFR XC ( this is also a flying test )by and 120nm VFR XC ( also a flying test) by night also has to be done on multi ."
I see what you mean and you do make a lot of sense.
If I understand you correctly, If I want CPL with Multi Endorsement only, I will need to do all these tests here on the said multi engine a/c and no tests on the single engine? Do i need to do the tests twice for multi (day, night, IR)? or do I skip them abroad if i'm going to do them here anyways? What about the cross country tests on multi then, since i will need these too as per this interpretation? which ones do I do abroad and which ones here. Why do they need these tests there anyways if they are going to do them here. These tests are not part of the Multi and IFR syllabus there and will be extra flights which will cost money. Im sorry to keep going on about this but I just wanna make sure the rules dont force me to duplicate flights and want to be clear what has to be done abroad and what needs to done here.
Whenever I say Flying tests / Skill Check It means the following 1hr day check 1hr night check 1hr IR check 250nm VFR XC by day 120nm VFR XC by night
You dont have to do those tests twice . IF you only want CPL multi then the tests HAVE TO BE DONE IN INDIA . You can do them abroad if you want but they wont recognize it . However you will need to be multi endorsed with IR on multi on your foreign license .
If you want both Single and Multi SINGLE FLYING TESTS HAS TO BE DONE IN INDIA Multi can be done abroad .
@Kingmaker The Flying tests / checks are logged as PIC . They expect you to act as PIC and part of the test means operating the aircraft radio .
I not exactly sure about the SPL part but I am quite sure you need an FRTOL I guess its best to confirm with one of the flying schools
'Indian Skill Test'. Oxymoron. This country's aviation is an international joke and disaster.
The DGCA Skill Test is: 'How skillfully can one slip a few thousand rupees into the palm of the TRE (who also bought his license), 24, 000 hours, endorsements on 10 high performance jets and has been actively working in aviation (so he says) for 40 years and he is only 35 years old...something doesn't add up.
Thanks for the analysis, I am quite clear about it now.
Regarding the SPL and FRTOL, even DGCA is not clear about that yet. I managed to speak to the erstwhile dy. director of licensing who has now shifted to a diff department. He was one of the people who drafted this note last year and he explained it much the same way cyril has above. When i asked him about the SPL and FRTOL reqt, he wasnt sure about it and said he hadnt foreseen that when the note was drafted. I guess they will come up with a work around for it by april or worst case, we end getting them for the skill tests.
"Skill test" in Indian aviation ! I could die laughing !!
As someone above rightly said, the only real "skill" needed in India to get a flying license is to be able to pass on some wads of currency notes and a couple of bottles of scotch whiskey to that scumbag of an officer in the DGCA in New Delhi.
Hey guys, just saw the amendments on the DGCA website and its got me worried . 1) First question, when are these amendments effective from? 2) And also, I have an NZ CPL and am in the process of doing my Multi and Instrument hours. My Dilemma is I intend to do the 40 hrs that DGCA requires, however, NZ doesn't endorse the IR on my CPL till I have sat for their IR exams (written and practical). Does that mean the skill test that is issued for the 40 hours in rendered invalid and would I have to then do an IR skill test/check flight in India. If that be so, can I do my single engine and IR skill test on the same aircraft and at the same time? 3) Lastly, does my application need to be accompanied with an AADHAR/UID number if I submit it before 1st of April? Thanks heaps guys