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Can we do the Multi rating and IFR on aircrafts like Piper Seminole or Travel air and do the DGCA checks on a Piper Seneca for the issue Indian license with Multi IFR endorsement? Will DGCA accept it?
I am currently in canada and having a hard time in finding schools that have Seneca and offer decent training. My school had one until yesterday, they have found cracks in wing spars and are planning to sell it for scarp.
Do you have both multi engine and single engine commercial license with instrument rating on your Canadian License ?
if you do then you can get away with it . Even candidates from IGRUA and NFTI dont do the 250 and 120 on the multi because they already do it on the Single .
Since you are applying for both you can do your multi skill test in Canada and the single engine skill test in India .
For the multi you have to log 4hours Dual by day 3 hours Dual by night ( within the 7 hours log some instrument hood time also with practice instrument approaches ) 1 hour skill test by day with 3 t/o & ldg 1 hour skill test by night with 3 t/o & ldg 1 hour IR check with 2 approaches ( 1 hour under the hood . So total flight time will be 1.2 or more )
Before you do any of the training you need to undergo atleast 20 hours of ground school on the particular aircraft type( make sure you get a certificate that says specifically 20 hours ) . Then you have to undergo a specific exam on type conducted by the Civil Aviation Authority or by the flight school ( in case of countries like FAA or TC where open rating is given for aircraft below 5700kg ) You have to obtain 70% or more in the written exam . Ask the flight school to preserve the original answer sheet as the DGCA might want to take a look at it .
thanks all for your patient answers on this topic.
I am now pretty clear about 1. multi-IFR rating + multi skill tests abroad. 2. RTR, FRTOL, SPL process in India. 3. Skill tests in india on single and then submission for conversion.
MY question is regarding the documents to be submitted at the end? Does anyone have the updated list of what they want?
Also, what is your advice if i have done my training from multiple schools? Just get the certificates with details of Cross country, hood times etc from each school for the flying done with them and attach them all? any other way to do it? what does dgca want in such a situation?
I suggest you get the RTR FRTOL and SPL prior to any flying for recency . This is because it can be time consuming process and you can expect a few hiccups ( You are dealing with the Indian DGCA )
For FRTOL you will need your 10+2 verification
If one flight school is willing to certify all the paperwork then that would be the best case . The skill tests and all the other paperwork for recency the flight school in India should take care of it .
You need to get the respective paperwork from the respective flight schools especially the accident and incident free certificates . Only if you are unable to obtain it ( eg school shut down ) should you do it from another flight school or from Transport Canada if possible .
Its mentioned in the flow chat that " allow for acceptance of skill test done abroad provided the test reports are duly authenticated by a representative of the Regulatory Authority of the State where the tests have been performed. " I am doing my training in Canada am assuming its going to be Transport Canada who should authenticate it along with my flight school CFI right ?.
How should it be authenticated, is there a particular format/form? do we have to get the reports of GFT by day and night stamped and signed by them or can they just print a letter saying everything is done as DGCA want us to?
While technically speaking you can do the checks with an Instructor or the Chief Flight Instructor as per what DGCA has written on its forms what they actually mean is that you have to do it with a TC examiner . In India the Chief Flight Instructors are also usually a DGCA qualified examiner .
I know people have done it with Instructors and got their DGCA CPL issued .
Also finish off the rest of your recency requirments in Canada itself on the single engine so that when you come back to India all you have to do is the skill tests . Also dont log any instrument time ( under the hood ) as PIC , only DUAL ( 5 hours )
I havent got an Indian SPL and FRTOL yet, but I have cleared the technical exam for the Seneca.
Yes, as you said I will finish all my recency in Canada ( 15hours PIC , 5hours Night PIC with 10 take off and landings, 5hours instrument on a single engine, GFT by day and night on a Seneca), I will do only the single engine checks in India ( GFT by day and night, 250nm day x-country and 120nm night x-county on a C-172 )
Will this work for me? I want both single and multi endorsement on my Indian CPL and i will be getting the same on my Canadian License.