Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence
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@ equinox,
any flying or esp the skill test stands valid once u pass a technical specific, to be more clear no examiner will ever endorse ur logbook or even consider you for a skill test unti you pass your type tech, its india and its flamboyant rules that there is no standard procedure....its a pity we are forced to be associated with DGCA
any flying or esp the skill test stands valid once u pass a technical specific, to be more clear no examiner will ever endorse ur logbook or even consider you for a skill test unti you pass your type tech, its india and its flamboyant rules that there is no standard procedure....its a pity we are forced to be associated with DGCA
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hi ANIL..
I HAD A DOUBT..WILL B THANKFUL IF U CAN HELP ME..i did my recency frm us ..came back n applied for my rtr(a) on 30th of march..just got it few days back. I was told by somebody that i dont need to do skill test in india(since i applied for rtr b4 1st april) n that i can show the receiving doc.of rtr application at the time of submission of docs. at dgca.is it so??
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i know this is a professional forum but i cant help it
Vashisht, Bhardwaj n co. are a bunch of F***ing A*****les
they keep changing the rules and have no idea what they want from applicants.
indian schools are nowhere near the standards and exposure of us or canada but still they insist on making life hell for those who train abroad rather than fixing the mess at home. senecca or diamond twin star are my options here but they are available in less than half dozen schools in india and even those are mostly in maintenance
Their new flowchart from Feb end clearly said u need to do skill test for one type in india, not both. u need to have multi+IR from abroad as well. but ir not compulsory if u do ir check in india.
it did not mention tech specific anywhere. u needed to get certi of aircraft technical exam from ur school abroad thats all.
now they think that wasnt dificult enuff.
as i understand it from the latest posts,
now i have to do multi + ir abroad,
come home, write tech specific for both single and multi, then do skill tests + recency in india on both, besides conversion papers.
what abt if i have conversion papers (nav, met, regs seprate not composite+regs) already done, and come home after completing CPL with multi recency n ir checks from abroad and only do single checks in inda? do i still have to give single tech specific? will my multi checks be recognised if they are less than 6 months old?
this is turning into a joke. next they'll say cross countries abroad are not recognised.
Vashisht, Bhardwaj n co. are a bunch of F***ing A*****les
they keep changing the rules and have no idea what they want from applicants.
indian schools are nowhere near the standards and exposure of us or canada but still they insist on making life hell for those who train abroad rather than fixing the mess at home. senecca or diamond twin star are my options here but they are available in less than half dozen schools in india and even those are mostly in maintenance
Their new flowchart from Feb end clearly said u need to do skill test for one type in india, not both. u need to have multi+IR from abroad as well. but ir not compulsory if u do ir check in india.
it did not mention tech specific anywhere. u needed to get certi of aircraft technical exam from ur school abroad thats all.
now they think that wasnt dificult enuff.
as i understand it from the latest posts,
now i have to do multi + ir abroad,
come home, write tech specific for both single and multi, then do skill tests + recency in india on both, besides conversion papers.
what abt if i have conversion papers (nav, met, regs seprate not composite+regs) already done, and come home after completing CPL with multi recency n ir checks from abroad and only do single checks in inda? do i still have to give single tech specific? will my multi checks be recognised if they are less than 6 months old?
this is turning into a joke. next they'll say cross countries abroad are not recognised.
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Does anyone know if you don't have a SE CPL endorsed on your FAA license, can you just give SE skill tests here in India to get a SE CPL? Or do you have to do SE CPL from abroad first?
It is clear now that doing ME skill tests here is not an option due to the high rates and most aircrafts being in maintenance perpetually. The best way IMO would be to just get a SE CPL and then get the multi 10 hours from abroad and get it as an add on on the Indian SE CPL.
It is clear now that doing ME skill tests here is not an option due to the high rates and most aircrafts being in maintenance perpetually. The best way IMO would be to just get a SE CPL and then get the multi 10 hours from abroad and get it as an add on on the Indian SE CPL.
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conversion checks
i met mr.vashisht on monday and he has confirmed me that skill tests are mandatory prior to conversion, and to do that we need an indian FRTOL and indian SPL first.
I have applied for COP at sanchar bhawan. that is going to take a minimum of 45 days.
then, to get FRTOL it is going to take another 30 days.
i have a single eng foreign cpl. now to convert it to single eng dgca cpl do we need to pass technical also????????
this one's the latest of my doubts.
I have applied for COP at sanchar bhawan. that is going to take a minimum of 45 days.
then, to get FRTOL it is going to take another 30 days.
i have a single eng foreign cpl. now to convert it to single eng dgca cpl do we need to pass technical also????????
this one's the latest of my doubts.
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guys i need some help in here, if anyone knows about the CAR rules where it states that when you submit your papers for cpl license, the rules applied to that submission will not the current, but the rules applied will be the one which were active at the time of submission.
because i think such rule exists, its just that i dont know exactly where in CAR it is, so if anyone can find it or know where it is then that will be great help for me
because i think such rule exists, its just that i dont know exactly where in CAR it is, so if anyone can find it or know where it is then that will be great help for me
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Please Help
Guys I did my initial training on C-172 and PA-44(Seminole) in USA got done in 2010
Seminole is not recognized in India I know..I had no option that time...Its been 2yrs since I have flown.
Im left with recency
now its either going to PA-34 OR DA-42 on the multi
But can ANYONE tell me how to go about with this...I need your advice
I need to get a total of 15 hours
now how much time should I fly on Multi and
how much time should I fly on SE
Seminole is not recognized in India I know..I had no option that time...Its been 2yrs since I have flown.
Im left with recency
now its either going to PA-34 OR DA-42 on the multi
But can ANYONE tell me how to go about with this...I need your advice
I need to get a total of 15 hours
now how much time should I fly on Multi and
how much time should I fly on SE
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have the guys at DGCA gone bonkers???? a frnd of mine submitted all his docs in feb after his recency from abroad. He got a letter today from the DGCA saying tht he has not signed the letter with which he had submitted with all the documents (the letter on which you list all the documents submitted) and on that letter by mistake he has put a date which is not possible, so now they have rejected his documents and he has to do his recency once again in India!!
Can someone please advise as what is to be done..
Can someone please advise as what is to be done..
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Originally Posted by vinz2406
guys i need some help in here, if anyone knows about the CAR rules where it states that when you submit your papers for cpl license, the rules applied to that submission will not the current, but the rules applied will be the one which were active at the time of submission.
because i think such rule exists, its just that i dont know exactly where in CAR it is, so if anyone can find it or know where it is then that will be great help for me
because i think such rule exists, its just that i dont know exactly where in CAR it is, so if anyone can find it or know where it is then that will be great help for me
For more information, see Schedule II, Sec-A, 8(e). Also, see FCL 2 of 2009.
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With all this talk of conversion, I'm curious to understand something -
If I finish my CPL from, say, the US, and have done a single engine CPL with IR, with a multi add-on, will the DGCA recognize that with no complications?
Of course, to convert that licence I would have to give skill checks on a single in India, but how would the multi rating be handled? Just a skill check on the same multi in India, or getting multi-training again in India to get it endorsed on the Indian CPL (after it is issued, or can the two be done together)?
If I finish my CPL from, say, the US, and have done a single engine CPL with IR, with a multi add-on, will the DGCA recognize that with no complications?
Of course, to convert that licence I would have to give skill checks on a single in India, but how would the multi rating be handled? Just a skill check on the same multi in India, or getting multi-training again in India to get it endorsed on the Indian CPL (after it is issued, or can the two be done together)?
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If I finish my CPL from, say, the US, and have done a single engine CPL with IR, with a multi add-on, will the DGCA recognize that with no complications?
to convert that licence I would have to give skill checks on a single in India, but how would the multi rating be handled? Just a skill check on the same multi in India, or getting multi-training again in India to get it endorsed on the Indian CPL (after it is issued, or can the two be done together)?
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Aditya, thanks for your response. What you're saying concurs with the circular that DGCA released, specifying skill checks for at least one a/c in India. However, if we look at posts on page 4 of this thread, a couple of people mention that Mr. Vashisht and Bhardwaj seem to now be saying that skill checks for all aircraft required to be endorsed on the licence need to be done in India. That's where all my confusion lies.
I think I'm going to call up the DGCA tomorrow and see what they say (if they pick up the phone!)
I think I'm going to call up the DGCA tomorrow and see what they say (if they pick up the phone!)
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doing all recency in india
Hi ,
I have been following this thread for a while and have decided to do all of my recency flying in India itself to be on the safe side.I did my initial flight training in australia.My doubt now is what letters i need to get from my australian school when i do submit my papers.I am applying for a SE CPL with IR in India.As far as i know the letters i will require are listed out in the DGCA conversion chart but for the cross country i will reuire a letter that id attested from there as well as one that is attested from the flying school in India to make up the 50 hrs of cross country required.I was wondering if DGCA would fing some problem in this.
Another doubt i have is the new classification of cross country as bieng beyong a 100 nm radius rather than just over 100nm when i was doing my training.Any Idea how strict they are about this 100nm radius rule.I have some of my cross country flights that are 2hrs 40 min long but that are only 195 nm and not beyond a 100nm radius...do you think they will accept these hours or will i have to do extra flights.?
I have been following this thread for a while and have decided to do all of my recency flying in India itself to be on the safe side.I did my initial flight training in australia.My doubt now is what letters i need to get from my australian school when i do submit my papers.I am applying for a SE CPL with IR in India.As far as i know the letters i will require are listed out in the DGCA conversion chart but for the cross country i will reuire a letter that id attested from there as well as one that is attested from the flying school in India to make up the 50 hrs of cross country required.I was wondering if DGCA would fing some problem in this.
Another doubt i have is the new classification of cross country as bieng beyong a 100 nm radius rather than just over 100nm when i was doing my training.Any Idea how strict they are about this 100nm radius rule.I have some of my cross country flights that are 2hrs 40 min long but that are only 195 nm and not beyond a 100nm radius...do you think they will accept these hours or will i have to do extra flights.?
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originals not returned.
I had also submitted all the original documents required for the issue of FRTOL to dgca i got the FRTOL issued and sent to me but my original class 1 medical was not returned.I am not aware of how to get it back.I have sent them letters and called but that is of no use.Its been over 3 weeks since and ntn has happened.Any help on how to go about this.?I am waiting on this before i start my flying and it is the only thing holding me back currently..
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i have been working on this new rule for a couple of months now.
@ind girl - i have heard that the dgca has become strict than ever before on this 100Nm radius part. better make sure all your pic-xc logs are of 100Nm legs(radius).
a friend told me that they check with maps and plotters the exact distance of each flight log of every candidate.
cant help you with the certificates part. no idea how it goes in australia.
@all. the hardest part was to get my RTR(P) issued from the ministry of Com (sanchar bhawan). took me about 2months of time and lot of pain.
Now I have submitted for FRTOL(R) (submitted yesterday), after the issuance of which I could fly the skill checks.
My foreign CPL is expiring, yet again, by August 20. So I barely have enough time to get the FRTOL issued, fly the checks, arrange the docs, and submit for conversion.
any idea how long it takes for the FRTOL to be issued?
how can one get this process expedited?
any school which has very cheap C172 rates, and from where a couple of guys have already flown the skill checks?
thanks in advance for your kind replies. !!
@ind girl - i have heard that the dgca has become strict than ever before on this 100Nm radius part. better make sure all your pic-xc logs are of 100Nm legs(radius).
a friend told me that they check with maps and plotters the exact distance of each flight log of every candidate.
cant help you with the certificates part. no idea how it goes in australia.
@all. the hardest part was to get my RTR(P) issued from the ministry of Com (sanchar bhawan). took me about 2months of time and lot of pain.
Now I have submitted for FRTOL(R) (submitted yesterday), after the issuance of which I could fly the skill checks.
My foreign CPL is expiring, yet again, by August 20. So I barely have enough time to get the FRTOL issued, fly the checks, arrange the docs, and submit for conversion.
any idea how long it takes for the FRTOL to be issued?
how can one get this process expedited?
any school which has very cheap C172 rates, and from where a couple of guys have already flown the skill checks?
thanks in advance for your kind replies. !!
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FRTOL FORM APPLICATION
Hello. Can someone post the link for the DGCA FRTOL application. I have only been able to find FRTOL examination form CA 9F on DGCA website http://dgca.nic.in/forms/crew-d/frtol.PDF
So if anyone knows where the application for issue of FRTOL is then please reply
Thanks
So if anyone knows where the application for issue of FRTOL is then please reply
Thanks
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there is no form required for frtol application. just make a simple request letter.
anybody here who has done or is doing the the CONVERSION CHECKS / SKILL TESTS for FOREIGN CPL CONVERSION in India?
please respond.
I have a small doubt with the number of checks we need to perform.
My flying is RECENT and I have all the tests - GFT day and night, IR check, 120NM check and 250NM check, all are current, i.e. has been done with in last six months.
Do I have to perform those checks all over again in India? one of my friends says that if all these checks are valid, I just need to fly a GFT day and a GFT night and the IR check in India. there is no need to fly the 120nm and 250nm check again.
Please advice.
anybody here who has done or is doing the the CONVERSION CHECKS / SKILL TESTS for FOREIGN CPL CONVERSION in India?
please respond.
I have a small doubt with the number of checks we need to perform.
My flying is RECENT and I have all the tests - GFT day and night, IR check, 120NM check and 250NM check, all are current, i.e. has been done with in last six months.
Do I have to perform those checks all over again in India? one of my friends says that if all these checks are valid, I just need to fly a GFT day and a GFT night and the IR check in India. there is no need to fly the 120nm and 250nm check again.
Please advice.
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@Ankit Kotecha, Yes, DGCA has now made it mandatory to complete the GFT day/night 120nm and 250nm in India. Unfortunately if you have done these tests abroad then you will have to re-do them in India. However, if you have done these tests in a multi engine abroad(within 6months of planned submission of papers) then you will only have to do single engine checks in India... vice versa.. Point is one of the checks has to be in India.
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@ Three.Green and others
1) What exactly are these General Flying Test Day/Night? are they similar to the the flight test/check ride we do abroad?
what are the maneuvers we need to demonstrate on these GFT?
is it whats mentioned on Form CA40 for single engine and
Form CA40B for a multi engine
2) Whats an IR check? again does it include all those items mentioned on Form PILOT PROFICIENCY CHECK/ IR CHECK
3) What are the requirements for an IR on Indian License?
just 2 approaches with instrument and x country hours or do they require an actual IR endorsement on our foreign license?
thank you
1) What exactly are these General Flying Test Day/Night? are they similar to the the flight test/check ride we do abroad?
what are the maneuvers we need to demonstrate on these GFT?
is it whats mentioned on Form CA40 for single engine and
Form CA40B for a multi engine
2) Whats an IR check? again does it include all those items mentioned on Form PILOT PROFICIENCY CHECK/ IR CHECK
3) What are the requirements for an IR on Indian License?
just 2 approaches with instrument and x country hours or do they require an actual IR endorsement on our foreign license?
thank you