Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence
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for spl you need to take result of your conversion paper it will be issued in day or two charge is around `2000
according to some cfi i spoke with you can give checks if you have rtr but other says u need to have frtol to fly in India.
i went to dgca but no one gives a clear answer from them . on safe side apply for FRTOL.
it will take around 9-10 hours in c172 including all checks
GFT DAY 1HR
GFT NGT 1HR
250 NM 4 HRS
120 NM 2 HRS
IR CHECK 1 HR
you have to pay around 7000-8500 for aircraft rental and 5000/hr separately to check pilot. few flying clubs have extra 2000 for night flying.
according to some cfi i spoke with you can give checks if you have rtr but other says u need to have frtol to fly in India.
i went to dgca but no one gives a clear answer from them . on safe side apply for FRTOL.
it will take around 9-10 hours in c172 including all checks
GFT DAY 1HR
GFT NGT 1HR
250 NM 4 HRS
120 NM 2 HRS
IR CHECK 1 HR
you have to pay around 7000-8500 for aircraft rental and 5000/hr separately to check pilot. few flying clubs have extra 2000 for night flying.
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Hi, some one please answer my questions
1) If plan to get only Multi Engine Endorsement with IFR on my Indian CPL, can I skip all single and multi engine Flight tests in abroad and do the Flight test on multi engine in India?
or
2) If I plan to get both Single and Multi with IFR on my Indian CPL can I do the Multi Flight test in abroad and Single engine Flight test in India?
when both multi and single engine endorsement is required which one should be done in India?
Thank you
1) If plan to get only Multi Engine Endorsement with IFR on my Indian CPL, can I skip all single and multi engine Flight tests in abroad and do the Flight test on multi engine in India?
or
2) If I plan to get both Single and Multi with IFR on my Indian CPL can I do the Multi Flight test in abroad and Single engine Flight test in India?
when both multi and single engine endorsement is required which one should be done in India?
Thank you
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according to rule u need to give skill test on one airplane either single or multi in india.
if you have commercial license only on multi engine ,you need to give test on multi engine.
if you got single and multi both , you can give test on single engine in india and carry out multi skill test abroad.
carrying out test in single engine is cheap and easily available .
multi is available in few flying school and just 1 or2 in number and it will cost you around 30k+ 5000/hr check pilot fees.
make sure u have all pic requirement listed in flow chart with ir time.
if you have commercial license only on multi engine ,you need to give test on multi engine.
if you got single and multi both , you can give test on single engine in india and carry out multi skill test abroad.
carrying out test in single engine is cheap and easily available .
multi is available in few flying school and just 1 or2 in number and it will cost you around 30k+ 5000/hr check pilot fees.
make sure u have all pic requirement listed in flow chart with ir time.
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@blue_ingle
I have a different opinion about your statement above .
Assuming you are only endorsed with a multi commercial on your foreign license and you pass the single engine skill checks in India . I dont see any reason why the DGCA should not endorse the single engine aircraft on your DGCA license .
The skill checks are the equivalent of the FAA checkrides .
If you pass the single engine Indian checkride ( i.e skill checks ) then you should have it endorsed on your Indian license irrespective of whether you have it endorsed on the foreign license or not .
This is same reason why the DGCA asks for the IR check to be done in India when you dont have an IR endorsed on your foreign license .
What I am trying to say is even if you only have a multi commercial on your foreign license .
Do the Single Engine skill checks in India and get that endorsed on your DGCA license .
Go back abroad and finish of the multi and other recency requirements ( like 5 hours instrument etc )
I have a different opinion about your statement above .
Assuming you are only endorsed with a multi commercial on your foreign license and you pass the single engine skill checks in India . I dont see any reason why the DGCA should not endorse the single engine aircraft on your DGCA license .
The skill checks are the equivalent of the FAA checkrides .
If you pass the single engine Indian checkride ( i.e skill checks ) then you should have it endorsed on your Indian license irrespective of whether you have it endorsed on the foreign license or not .
This is same reason why the DGCA asks for the IR check to be done in India when you dont have an IR endorsed on your foreign license .
What I am trying to say is even if you only have a multi commercial on your foreign license .
Do the Single Engine skill checks in India and get that endorsed on your DGCA license .
Go back abroad and finish of the multi and other recency requirements ( like 5 hours instrument etc )
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Cyril,
I and a couple of other people spoke with Vashisht in DGCA and he said unless you have a SE CPL on your FAA license, theres no way you will get one here in India. This might be asking too much, but can you confirm this with someone if it really is possible to do it the way you say?
Also, anyone here, I don't have any hours on the Seneca (did my ME CPL on the Duchess). If I were to go abroad and get a checkout on the Seneca, would I be able to skip appearing for the technical examination here in India?
I and a couple of other people spoke with Vashisht in DGCA and he said unless you have a SE CPL on your FAA license, theres no way you will get one here in India. This might be asking too much, but can you confirm this with someone if it really is possible to do it the way you say?
Also, anyone here, I don't have any hours on the Seneca (did my ME CPL on the Duchess). If I were to go abroad and get a checkout on the Seneca, would I be able to skip appearing for the technical examination here in India?
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@cyril
that might be possible.
but as mentioned by anriduh ,dgca will give what exactly is on your foreign license.
and with IR its a rating not a license.to carry out single commercial still you are private on foreign license ,need to give specific exam.
i spoke with few of CFI , they mentioned skill test can't be carried beforehand meeting other requirements of pic and ir flying. skill test are carried out at end, you first build up pic hours get proficient and carry out tests.
if you haven't flown any hours within last six months , you cant just carry out test.
you have to go through familiarization flights day , night before carrying out test.
carrying out skill test first and pic later abroad might not be accepted by dgca .
that might be possible.
but as mentioned by anriduh ,dgca will give what exactly is on your foreign license.
and with IR its a rating not a license.to carry out single commercial still you are private on foreign license ,need to give specific exam.
i spoke with few of CFI , they mentioned skill test can't be carried beforehand meeting other requirements of pic and ir flying. skill test are carried out at end, you first build up pic hours get proficient and carry out tests.
if you haven't flown any hours within last six months , you cant just carry out test.
you have to go through familiarization flights day , night before carrying out test.
carrying out skill test first and pic later abroad might not be accepted by dgca .
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@anriduh
"In case, conversion is sought in respect of license of the contracting state who do not conduct technical specific examination for each aircraft and foreign license is for all single and multi engine below 5700kgs, then on Indian CPL only one single and one multi engine aircraft rating (for which he has submitted skill test reports) will be granted. Further, extension of ratings would be done as per the provisions of schedule-II, Section-J."
above has been mentioned by dgca.
according to it you get ground school certificate and pass of technical specific exam from flying school. you should be good to go
"In case, conversion is sought in respect of license of the contracting state who do not conduct technical specific examination for each aircraft and foreign license is for all single and multi engine below 5700kgs, then on Indian CPL only one single and one multi engine aircraft rating (for which he has submitted skill test reports) will be granted. Further, extension of ratings would be done as per the provisions of schedule-II, Section-J."
above has been mentioned by dgca.
according to it you get ground school certificate and pass of technical specific exam from flying school. you should be good to go
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But the problem is FAA (or rather the schools in US) don't have a technical specific exam or ground schooling for one particular model of a plane. The instructor asks you to read up on the Senenca manual (POH), takes you up in the air, checks if you have all the basic maneuvers down and gives you a checkout on the logbook. Thats it. The question is will this be sufficient for me to not give my tech specific back here in India and directly go ahead and get my skill tests done.
I have the ground school certificate from the old school, but the new school where i'll go to get my seneca checkout, i am sure, won't be giving a ground school certificate, coz I haven't done any schooling with them.
But the problem is FAA (or rather the schools in US) don't have a technical specific exam or ground schooling for one particular model of a plane. The instructor asks you to read up on the Senenca manual (POH), takes you up in the air, checks if you have all the basic maneuvers down and gives you a checkout on the logbook. Thats it. The question is will this be sufficient for me to not give my tech specific back here in India and directly go ahead and get my skill tests done.
I have the ground school certificate from the old school, but the new school where i'll go to get my seneca checkout, i am sure, won't be giving a ground school certificate, coz I haven't done any schooling with them.
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its just matter of printing . you can talk to school its a DGCA requirement .
you can download Seneca checkout test available on web.
ask your instructor to conduct exam for you and provide you with pass 70 and above.
you can also get it inside envelope sealed with school stamp and sign of CFI on it.
if your arent still convinced you can apply for specific exam . its easiest of exam according to my friends who are doing it from india.
i am also going to do multi this April from USA.
mine school is providing sealed in envelope .
you can download Seneca checkout test available on web.
ask your instructor to conduct exam for you and provide you with pass 70 and above.
you can also get it inside envelope sealed with school stamp and sign of CFI on it.
if your arent still convinced you can apply for specific exam . its easiest of exam according to my friends who are doing it from india.
i am also going to do multi this April from USA.
mine school is providing sealed in envelope .
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hey guys, my faa cpl says AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND, INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE PRIVATE PRIVELAGES, AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND, AND LIMITATIONS: ENGLISH PROFICIENT. what does it mean? what all do i have to in the US and in indian flying club, which all checks do i have to do? i did my commercial checkride in pa-34-200? i definately want a multi commercial instrument rating, do i have to give specific paper also?
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Procedure for undergoing Endorsement Training on Single engine & Multi Engine Non - Jet aircrafts with All Up Weight not exceeding 5700 kg.
Comments required by 26th April 2012 Please address comments to: Lalit Gupta, Deputy Director General, Office of the Director General of Civil Aviation, Opp. Safdarjung Airport, Aurobindo Marg, New Delhi – 110 003 Email: [email protected]
Comments required by 26th April 2012 Please address comments to: Lalit Gupta, Deputy Director General, Office of the Director General of Civil Aviation, Opp. Safdarjung Airport, Aurobindo Marg, New Delhi – 110 003 Email: [email protected]
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@ ramkiarchu
give a skill test on pa-34-200 in India, which includes...
at-least 10 hrs in last 5 years
pass the technical exam in India
in last six months...
skill test day - 1.5 hrs
skill test night - 1.5 hrs
if IR desired - 2 approaches.
Also in last six months you need to have...
15hrs PIC
5 hrs IF on actual a/c
5 hrs night SOLO with 10 T/O and land..
250 x-c
120 x-c
signal reception test....
you will need FRTOL and spl too
do all these and you are good to go....
at-least 10 hrs in last 5 years
pass the technical exam in India
in last six months...
skill test day - 1.5 hrs
skill test night - 1.5 hrs
if IR desired - 2 approaches.
Also in last six months you need to have...
15hrs PIC
5 hrs IF on actual a/c
5 hrs night SOLO with 10 T/O and land..
250 x-c
120 x-c
signal reception test....
you will need FRTOL and spl too
do all these and you are good to go....
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sub - Procedure for undergoing Endorsement Training on Single engine & Multi Engine Non - Jet aircrafts with All Up Weight not exceeding 5700 kg.
Hey Adi, no matter how many time i read this, it says you can do both (SE & ME) skill test if desired, from an approved flight school in any ICAO contracting state
Am i understanding correct, does that mean you can do the recency from any approved flight school from USA too??
Hey Adi, no matter how many time i read this, it says you can do both (SE & ME) skill test if desired, from an approved flight school in any ICAO contracting state
Am i understanding correct, does that mean you can do the recency from any approved flight school from USA too??
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To go to Canada for recency or wait???
Guys I have almost Understood what the new rule is, just have a few questions...
1. Is the new rule already applicable? Or is it still in discussion? I saw the date 26 April in before comments.
2. I have a FAA CPL and ME with IR. I am planning to go to Canada and do my recency. Is this the right time to go? Or should I wait for few more days to make sure the new rule doesn't have any more changes??
3. Lastly, if I do go to Canada and the new rule is in effect, is it ok if I do ME checks there and do all the SE flying here in India?? Or should I do all the recency hours, around 15, in SE and again give skill tests here in India? How many hours of SE should I do in Canada?
I am holding on for visa applications since a month!!! Please let me know when is the best time to go, so that I can get this over it before it gets any more worse!!!
Thanks.
1. Is the new rule already applicable? Or is it still in discussion? I saw the date 26 April in before comments.
2. I have a FAA CPL and ME with IR. I am planning to go to Canada and do my recency. Is this the right time to go? Or should I wait for few more days to make sure the new rule doesn't have any more changes??
3. Lastly, if I do go to Canada and the new rule is in effect, is it ok if I do ME checks there and do all the SE flying here in India?? Or should I do all the recency hours, around 15, in SE and again give skill tests here in India? How many hours of SE should I do in Canada?
I am holding on for visa applications since a month!!! Please let me know when is the best time to go, so that I can get this over it before it gets any more worse!!!
Thanks.
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u mean i have to give specific paper also? i do have spl and frtol and i am planning to get canadian rt and cpl! what i was thinking is that i will do the SE checks in usa and multi checks in india, so in that way i will have 20 hours pic, i donnt have to do seperate 15 hours pic right?
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Please help guys....
Guys I have almost Understood what the new rule is, just have a few questions...
1. Is the new rule already applicable? Or is it still in discussion? I saw the date 26 April in before comments.
2. I have a FAA CPL and ME with IR. I am planning to go to Canada and do my recency. Is this the right time to go? Or should I wait for few more days to make sure the new rule doesn't have any more changes??
3. Lastly, if I do go to Canada and the new rule is in effect, is it ok if I do ME checks there and do all the SE flying here in India?? Or should I do all the recency hours, around 15, in SE and again give skill tests here in India? How many hours of SE should I do in Canada?
I am holding on for visa applications since a month!!! Please let me know when is the best time to go, so that I can get this over it before it gets any more worse!!!
Thanks.
1. Is the new rule already applicable? Or is it still in discussion? I saw the date 26 April in before comments.
2. I have a FAA CPL and ME with IR. I am planning to go to Canada and do my recency. Is this the right time to go? Or should I wait for few more days to make sure the new rule doesn't have any more changes??
3. Lastly, if I do go to Canada and the new rule is in effect, is it ok if I do ME checks there and do all the SE flying here in India?? Or should I do all the recency hours, around 15, in SE and again give skill tests here in India? How many hours of SE should I do in Canada?
I am holding on for visa applications since a month!!! Please let me know when is the best time to go, so that I can get this over it before it gets any more worse!!!
Thanks.
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CARs - HELP! On my way to India!
OK, my friend got the job after months of submittals, etc. He'll be flying Caravans for a regional commuter airlines. They told him to "bone up" on the CARs for his tests.
While he is quite experienced, skilled and knowledgeable (by FAA standards), he is quite concerned that he can't find out any info on the exact things he'll be tested on.
This thread alluded to a "skills test". That does not concern him much. However, is there going to be a written and oral exam? If so, is there a good study guide?
When we go to the DGCA website the CARs are broken into so many downloads -- it seems impractical to try to capture them all. Are there particular sections he needs for regional air transport? (For example, here in the states there is Part 91, Part 135, etc. ... each one for the type of flying you'll be doing).
Or is there a place to download one complete set of regs pertinent to the job? Or a study guide?
Any help is much appreciated. He leaves in one week!
While he is quite experienced, skilled and knowledgeable (by FAA standards), he is quite concerned that he can't find out any info on the exact things he'll be tested on.
This thread alluded to a "skills test". That does not concern him much. However, is there going to be a written and oral exam? If so, is there a good study guide?
When we go to the DGCA website the CARs are broken into so many downloads -- it seems impractical to try to capture them all. Are there particular sections he needs for regional air transport? (For example, here in the states there is Part 91, Part 135, etc. ... each one for the type of flying you'll be doing).
Or is there a place to download one complete set of regs pertinent to the job? Or a study guide?
Any help is much appreciated. He leaves in one week!
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I spoke to a person at MP Flying Club and according to her if one does not have a SE CPL (I just have ME CPL IR on the Duchess) one cannot get a SPL in India. So she suggested that I should go back and get my SE CPL done from the US! Is this true?