Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence
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As far as the technical examinations go, the post by cyril says that DGCA MIGHT even consider asking the pilots to give technical exams. Maybe one can ask this question during the open house (when is it, btw?)
Also if you could help me out, how exactly does one get his SPL and FRTOL in India?
As far as the technical examinations go, the post by cyril says that DGCA MIGHT even consider asking the pilots to give technical exams. Maybe one can ask this question during the open house (when is it, btw?)
Also if you could help me out, how exactly does one get his SPL and FRTOL in India?
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As of now I am quite sure you dont have to give the technical exam in India .
That requirement has been there even on the earlier flow chart so its nothing new
However if your flying authority does not have technical specific ( like FAA ) ask your flying school to do the test and make sure you get atleast 70/100 or more .
This test has to be done prior to any flying training .
@varunjay
Yes if you give the skill checks in India the DGCA should issue you a Commercial single on the C172 . I dont think you should face any problems with that .
However be warned that if you dont have ME IR rating on your DGCA license none of the Airbus operators ( including IndiGo ) can hire you . You also wont be allowed to go for an A320 type and get it endorsed on your DGCA license. This is the reason why none of the Airbus operators cant hire you .
That requirement has been there even on the earlier flow chart so its nothing new
However if your flying authority does not have technical specific ( like FAA ) ask your flying school to do the test and make sure you get atleast 70/100 or more .
This test has to be done prior to any flying training .
@varunjay
Yes if you give the skill checks in India the DGCA should issue you a Commercial single on the C172 . I dont think you should face any problems with that .
However be warned that if you dont have ME IR rating on your DGCA license none of the Airbus operators ( including IndiGo ) can hire you . You also wont be allowed to go for an A320 type and get it endorsed on your DGCA license. This is the reason why none of the Airbus operators cant hire you .
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The problem is I got my CPL ME done on a BE76. Never having flown a PA34 before, wouldnt I be required to give the Technical Specific in India before I start with the skill tests?
Also, what is Technical general for?
The problem is I got my CPL ME done on a BE76. Never having flown a PA34 before, wouldnt I be required to give the Technical Specific in India before I start with the skill tests?
Also, what is Technical general for?
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Originally Posted by cyrilroy21
However if your flying authority does not have technical specific ( like FAA ) ask your flying school to do the test and make sure you get atleast 70/100 or more .
This test has to be done prior to any flying training
This test has to be done prior to any flying training
Now that am back in India and have no plans on going back to US as dgca is causing problems for those doing their recency abroad, how do i get this test report now
, i feel like banging my head somewhere....@Anirudh_rao
I might just do the skill check and recency here only, at present its a safe option seeing how they are causing problems for those doing it from outside.
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@cyril - Thanks for u r response. Yes I will get ME later on, but first want license issued on any aircraft. Also Do i need to give specific for C 172 in India?
Again I gold FAA CPL ME(only) with no SE commercial. I have 200 hrs on 172 though.
Again I gold FAA CPL ME(only) with no SE commercial. I have 200 hrs on 172 though.
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as a 14000 hr instructor here in NZ and seen some of the standards of these DGCA licence holders, Watch the accident rate only get worse in India, I believe the DGCA inspectors should be brought up to a honest standard
That's true. The authorities don't have a 'safety first' vision. They have 'pocket first' type narrow vision.
Such rules are against the free trade and open skies policy India adopted. International aviation bodies should have a look at these rules(Licencing & Training) closely as it is in everybody's interest in the long term when more Indian planes take to the skies than ever before.
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To the best of my knowledge and a recent discussion with a CFI, All i understood was,
If you fly on a Multi engine (At least 10hr) in US and the same is registered in india (In a flight school), and flyable (A good example is PA 34-200 From CAA) all you need is SPL and FRTOL, and you don't need to clear any tech specific paper, I am still not clear with weather we need a tech specific or not so i shall double check, Probable reason maybe - you are only doing a recency on an aircraft that you are already endorsed by a foreign authority. but for cases like Be-76, you got to sure clear the tech specific paper on a aircraft that you choose to fly in India.
Coming to people with forgein ME endorsement and lookin for a cost saving DGCA CPL, i.e to get a SE CPL, you Sure got to clear a tech specific on SE airplane you choose (C-172 or C-152 or any other) and you shall be prepared to fly around 22-24 hr costing approx 2.5 laks (On C-172) which includes you DGCA recency requirements and as well as SE commercial checks from a CFI.
Personally aiming to have a ME CPL, i suggest getting a SE commercial with the way DGCA wanted and then once you have a SE commercial, all you need is an NOC from DGCA and fly 10 ME in any country of desire fulfilling the requirements as prescribed by DGCA for a ME add-on and submit the paper work to DGCA, no exams nothing to do so (Just like doing a type rating/add on).
Also i personally suggest that we shall make our decision considering the two possible scenarios and breaking the cost figure individually,
(i) flying cost involving 24hr SE flying in India + 10hr ME flying abroad + Personal charges ( travelling + living) + any other cost involved
(ii), Then the other way around i.e flying for 15hr in USA as recency + 3 hr of checks when we get back to India (@ approx 40,000/- an hr) + instructor FEE (@ 5000/- per check) + i am quite not convinced if i approach a Flight and ask him for checks will he do it in prompt 3hr of may need any excess hr(If so busting at 40,000/- hr in excess).
Personally the second option (Though valid in my view) seems risky, as any additional cost may screw up the entire budget since it is around 40,000/hr and you never know when would the respective A/C from the flying school ground's.
Btw either case the DGCA results for the Jan are out, so it shall be a good idea to start paper work for those interested in Tech specific exam.
I Request to please point out any mistakes that i have made here.
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If you fly on a Multi engine (At least 10hr) in US and the same is registered in india (In a flight school), and flyable (A good example is PA 34-200 From CAA) all you need is SPL and FRTOL, and you don't need to clear any tech specific paper, I am still not clear with weather we need a tech specific or not so i shall double check, Probable reason maybe - you are only doing a recency on an aircraft that you are already endorsed by a foreign authority. but for cases like Be-76, you got to sure clear the tech specific paper on a aircraft that you choose to fly in India.
Coming to people with forgein ME endorsement and lookin for a cost saving DGCA CPL, i.e to get a SE CPL, you Sure got to clear a tech specific on SE airplane you choose (C-172 or C-152 or any other) and you shall be prepared to fly around 22-24 hr costing approx 2.5 laks (On C-172) which includes you DGCA recency requirements and as well as SE commercial checks from a CFI.
Personally aiming to have a ME CPL, i suggest getting a SE commercial with the way DGCA wanted and then once you have a SE commercial, all you need is an NOC from DGCA and fly 10 ME in any country of desire fulfilling the requirements as prescribed by DGCA for a ME add-on and submit the paper work to DGCA, no exams nothing to do so (Just like doing a type rating/add on).
Also i personally suggest that we shall make our decision considering the two possible scenarios and breaking the cost figure individually,
(i) flying cost involving 24hr SE flying in India + 10hr ME flying abroad + Personal charges ( travelling + living) + any other cost involved
(ii), Then the other way around i.e flying for 15hr in USA as recency + 3 hr of checks when we get back to India (@ approx 40,000/- an hr) + instructor FEE (@ 5000/- per check) + i am quite not convinced if i approach a Flight and ask him for checks will he do it in prompt 3hr of may need any excess hr(If so busting at 40,000/- hr in excess).
Personally the second option (Though valid in my view) seems risky, as any additional cost may screw up the entire budget since it is around 40,000/hr and you never know when would the respective A/C from the flying school ground's.
Btw either case the DGCA results for the Jan are out, so it shall be a good idea to start paper work for those interested in Tech specific exam.
I Request to please point out any mistakes that i have made here.
Cheerio
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Coming to people with forgein ME endorsement and lookin for a cost saving DGCA CPL, i.e to get a SE CPL, you Sure got to clear a tech specific on SE airplane you choose (C-172 or C-152 or any other) and you shall be prepared to fly around 22-24 hr costing approx 2.5 laks (On C-172) which includes you DGCA recency requirements and as well as SE commercial checks from a CFI.
Personally aiming to have a ME CPL, i suggest getting a SE commercial with the way DGCA wanted and then once you have a SE commercial, all you need is an NOC from DGCA and fly 10 ME in any country of desire fulfilling the requirements as prescribed by DGCA for a ME add-on and submit the paper work to DGCA, no exams nothing to do so (Just like doing a type rating/add on).
Personally aiming to have a ME CPL, i suggest getting a SE commercial with the way DGCA wanted and then once you have a SE commercial, all you need is an NOC from DGCA and fly 10 ME in any country of desire fulfilling the requirements as prescribed by DGCA for a ME add-on and submit the paper work to DGCA, no exams nothing to do so (Just like doing a type rating/add on).
Your assessment is very correct and sensible. This way one will have less headaches and save some valuable moolah.
Btw, between 172 and 152 which one is preferable in terms of cost and availability. When is the technical exam for the same?
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Case1:
Flying 25 hours 172 in india 2.5L
10 Hours ME in the US 1.5L
Travelling, Documentation, Staying and Misc 1L
Total = 5L
Case2:
Doing 15 Hours PIC in India on 172 1.5L
6 hours skill test on PA34 ME 3L
Total 4.5L
If you see I have included extra hours for ME skill test in Case2. So getting everything done in India turns out to be cheaper and safe. Or am I missing something?
Also, since you have a CPL from abroad, wouldnt flying the ME while doing your skill tests be counted as PIC too? If yes, then a couple of hours from the 15Hr PIC can be used for the ME skill test, further bringing down the cost of Case 2. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Case1:
Flying 25 hours 172 in india 2.5L
10 Hours ME in the US 1.5L
Travelling, Documentation, Staying and Misc 1L
Total = 5L
Case2:
Doing 15 Hours PIC in India on 172 1.5L
6 hours skill test on PA34 ME 3L
Total 4.5L
If you see I have included extra hours for ME skill test in Case2. So getting everything done in India turns out to be cheaper and safe. Or am I missing something?
Also, since you have a CPL from abroad, wouldnt flying the ME while doing your skill tests be counted as PIC too? If yes, then a couple of hours from the 15Hr PIC can be used for the ME skill test, further bringing down the cost of Case 2. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Also, heres my situation. Would someone please help me out?
Having got my ME IR on a BE76 duchess, do I have to do a technical specific for the PA34 and 10 hours (including skill tests) on the PA34 to get my ME CPL in India? I dont have a SE CPL.
Having got my ME IR on a BE76 duchess, do I have to do a technical specific for the PA34 and 10 hours (including skill tests) on the PA34 to get my ME CPL in India? I dont have a SE CPL.
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i have flown the C 152 all throughout my training and have all my hours as PIC on C152...........i have around 12 Hours on a C 172 and that too Dual and may be 3 Hours as PIC.........Well i want C172 endorsed on my DGCA Commercial Licence.Can i do Skill Test in India on a C172 and have it endorsed on my Indian CPL.............Please help.
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The information i guess you provided is insufficient for people to help,
Since you say you flown in C-152 through out you training, i Presume you have a SE FAA CPL on C-152, and getting endorsed on a C-172 shall not be a problem, since if you are doing your recency, which is about 15hr, and you do all of that in C-172, and give a check with a respective CFI the you shall be good to go.
On the other hand if you have a FAA ME CPL, and you shall prefer to Take a SE CPL then also you have fly for 20-24hr in India to complete recency and related flying so still you shall be good.
I think the whole idea behind DGCA endorsing you on a C-172 or any new type of airplane is that they wanted to make see that you have at least flown for 10hr on that specific aircraft.
@anirudh_rao
in case 2 don't forget that the 6hr flying for skill test on a PA 34-200 is only applicable if you have already flown for at least 10hr on that particular aircraft (Endorsed on your FAA/forgein licence), they(DGCA) actually made it clear on this http://dgca.nic.in/circular/FCL1_2012.pdf under Appendix 1 8th point.
And in case 2 the 15hr is also not possible, since when you approach a flight school, he shall first do some dual checks and also 4 hr of instrument will be dual, in order for you to be released a solo for PIC time building. so don't forget the cost involved for that as well.
The information i guess you provided is insufficient for people to help,
Since you say you flown in C-152 through out you training, i Presume you have a SE FAA CPL on C-152, and getting endorsed on a C-172 shall not be a problem, since if you are doing your recency, which is about 15hr, and you do all of that in C-172, and give a check with a respective CFI the you shall be good to go.
On the other hand if you have a FAA ME CPL, and you shall prefer to Take a SE CPL then also you have fly for 20-24hr in India to complete recency and related flying so still you shall be good.
I think the whole idea behind DGCA endorsing you on a C-172 or any new type of airplane is that they wanted to make see that you have at least flown for 10hr on that specific aircraft.
@anirudh_rao
in case 2 don't forget that the 6hr flying for skill test on a PA 34-200 is only applicable if you have already flown for at least 10hr on that particular aircraft (Endorsed on your FAA/forgein licence), they(DGCA) actually made it clear on this http://dgca.nic.in/circular/FCL1_2012.pdf under Appendix 1 8th point.
And in case 2 the 15hr is also not possible, since when you approach a flight school, he shall first do some dual checks and also 4 hr of instrument will be dual, in order for you to be released a solo for PIC time building. so don't forget the cost involved for that as well.
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Query/Big concern
Does anyone here know positively if the April 1 deadline would apply to cases of re-submission in terms of skill tests to be done in India, and, if the recency requirements would have to be met on the day on re-submission?
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Apologies for replying lately, but i have misplaced a brochure which i found now
well purely your discretion of choice both C-152 and C-172 are equally now available and i shall say for 20 odd hr, even flight school or it's CFI usually prioritize you, for the fact that you know all of flying and you here for experience and not for training. the cost on C-152 is around Rs.2,15,000/- and Rs.2,50,000/- on C-172 and this cost is flying only. there are certain common cost namely, SPL and FRTOL issue charges (around Rs 10,000) and CFI check charges(Roughly Rs 5000 per check)
total flight time they say is 24hr (9hr dual and 15hr PIC) which includes
1. 15hr Solo (CPL checks - Day-Night-IR, 250/120 Nm Night X-C)
2. 5hr instrument dual time
3. IR issue check dual time
4. FEM checks before solo, Dual time
Coming to the tech specific paper, i am not quite sure since now a days it all online exam fuzz and i was only used to the conventional method, so i am still searching and finding out the date.
Btw for student appearing for tech specific paper, i highly suggest make some contacts with local flight schools and students in there, well before you actually submit application for the exam, which could help you make a better choice of which A/C to choose and they can share a few more points (Eg: C-172R instead of C-172, Though both are accepted by DGCA you may regret, though i couldn't justify here but you shall figure out with some students presently undergoing training at any Indian flight schools)
Cheerio
Apologies for replying lately, but i have misplaced a brochure which i found now
well purely your discretion of choice both C-152 and C-172 are equally now available and i shall say for 20 odd hr, even flight school or it's CFI usually prioritize you, for the fact that you know all of flying and you here for experience and not for training. the cost on C-152 is around Rs.2,15,000/- and Rs.2,50,000/- on C-172 and this cost is flying only. there are certain common cost namely, SPL and FRTOL issue charges (around Rs 10,000) and CFI check charges(Roughly Rs 5000 per check)
total flight time they say is 24hr (9hr dual and 15hr PIC) which includes
1. 15hr Solo (CPL checks - Day-Night-IR, 250/120 Nm Night X-C)
2. 5hr instrument dual time
3. IR issue check dual time
4. FEM checks before solo, Dual time
Coming to the tech specific paper, i am not quite sure since now a days it all online exam fuzz and i was only used to the conventional method, so i am still searching and finding out the date.
Btw for student appearing for tech specific paper, i highly suggest make some contacts with local flight schools and students in there, well before you actually submit application for the exam, which could help you make a better choice of which A/C to choose and they can share a few more points (Eg: C-172R instead of C-172, Though both are accepted by DGCA you may regret, though i couldn't justify here but you shall figure out with some students presently undergoing training at any Indian flight schools)
Cheerio
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@teja
As usual, you continue to provide info that is extremely helpful. Thank you!
As the mentioned in the Appendix I, couldnt I combine the 6 hours of skill test in the requisite 10 hours for the PA34? Making the total time on multi 10 hours?
Yes, I see what you mean by extra time taken on the SE too for checkouts and whatnot. Your way of getting the SE CPL seems to make more sense now. Would you happen to know how hard it is to pass the SE CPL Indian check ride?
As usual, you continue to provide info that is extremely helpful. Thank you!
As the mentioned in the Appendix I, couldnt I combine the 6 hours of skill test in the requisite 10 hours for the PA34? Making the total time on multi 10 hours?
Yes, I see what you mean by extra time taken on the SE too for checkouts and whatnot. Your way of getting the SE CPL seems to make more sense now. Would you happen to know how hard it is to pass the SE CPL Indian check ride?
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@anirudh_rao I think you can, but check this post http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ml#post7061267
you can know what to expect in those 10hr.
Coming to checks for SE CPL, they are comparatively very easy. should be no problem at all, and i have observed most CFI's are as well helpful.
you can know what to expect in those 10hr.
Coming to checks for SE CPL, they are comparatively very easy. should be no problem at all, and i have observed most CFI's are as well helpful.
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Hi, I have been following this post for a while now and am thoroughly confused about all the new requirements. I am looking to complete my recency flying soon as I have got the conversion papers and Indian medicals out of the way. I did my flying in Australia and now need to convert the license.
I hold a CASA CPL+a MECIR but I have done all my multi flying on the twin commanche.This was done over a year and a half ago and now the twin Commanche is not valid in india.I have to return to Australia in order to renew my instrument rating as well as complete my recency for conversion.I want to get my Indian Cpl with a multi endorsed on it. I am required to complete 10 hours of training on a twin for this.I was planning on completing this on the partinavia(PA 68).
If I Complete my 10 hrs day on the C-152+5hrs night(c-152)+ 10 hrs of training on the new multi(including all the tests)+all the skills test in India on a C152.Will I be eligible for conversion to an Indian license with single and multi endorsements according to the new rules? And can the signal reception test be done abroad still?
I meet all the other requirements of cross country hours plus total time…ect...
I would be very great full for any help in this regard. Thanks.
I hold a CASA CPL+a MECIR but I have done all my multi flying on the twin commanche.This was done over a year and a half ago and now the twin Commanche is not valid in india.I have to return to Australia in order to renew my instrument rating as well as complete my recency for conversion.I want to get my Indian Cpl with a multi endorsed on it. I am required to complete 10 hours of training on a twin for this.I was planning on completing this on the partinavia(PA 68).
If I Complete my 10 hrs day on the C-152+5hrs night(c-152)+ 10 hrs of training on the new multi(including all the tests)+all the skills test in India on a C152.Will I be eligible for conversion to an Indian license with single and multi endorsements according to the new rules? And can the signal reception test be done abroad still?
I meet all the other requirements of cross country hours plus total time…ect...
I would be very great full for any help in this regard. Thanks.
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question???
Hello everyone, I have my FAA CPL in ME (BE-76) and SE. I am planning to go to US and do only the skill test (10 hrs) on piper Seneca, come back and do the SE test in india. I do have Inidan RT and cleared conversion papers and will do something about Indian spl.
will I be good to go after these two test or do i need anything else?
How many hours, generally it will take to do skill test on c172 in India?
Am i missing something?
regards....
will I be good to go after these two test or do i need anything else?
How many hours, generally it will take to do skill test on c172 in India?
Am i missing something?
regards....
