Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence

[cyrilroy21]

All we had to do was do one of those tests, get it corrected by an instructor, put it in a sealed envelope and submit it to the DGCA. This way would be way more convenient than having to take the tech specific exam in India

@LOC-D

That was the whole point of my previous post

This method you mentioned is not acceptable to the DGCA anymore unless you had the FAA Commercial Checkride as well on the same aircraft

For eg : Someone who had the commercial multi checkride on the BE 76 and now wants the PA 34 on the DGCA license HAS TO PASS THE DGCA TECH SPECIFIC FIRST

A paper saying you passed the tech specific conducted by the school wont be accepted by the DGCA anymore

[akhil]

hey

I have a CPL/ME/IR on my foreign license but when i did my conversion in india I did my flight checks in India (G.F.T day/night, IR, 250/120 X cty, P.I.C) and got a SE/IR DGCA license...

now that I want to get the multi endorsed I can do my flying abroad right? Since I'll be applying fresh for just a multi endorsement I hope they dont create a problem and say that I need to get the G.F.T day/night and IR flights done in India???

@cyrilroy you'd said on a previous post its better to give the technical specific even if you have the ground training records from the foreign academy..it says next session for pilots is in april for pilots...when exactly can you start applying for this bcoz thats not mentioned anywhere

thanks

[cyrilroy21]

@akhil

You can only apply for the DGCA exam when they open the application window

The only way to know when the application window will open is to read the DGCA website every day and look for the public announcement

I hope you got the new photo and admit card form uploaded and accepted by the dgca in order to write future DGCA exams ( they sent emails to everyone a month back regarding this )

Please read this CAR thoroughly before going anywhere for a multi endorsement
http://dgca.nic.in/cars/D7B-B18.pdf

[akhil]

Yeah my photo and signature are uploaded on the udaan website..got that updated about a month back.

will keep a lookout on DGCA website

I've read these CARs but my question was since I already have an Indian SE/IR license with my check rides done in India(when I was doing my conversion) can I do my multi engine flying abroad and get it endorsed on my indian license (as I already have a ME rating on my foreign license)

thanks

[cyrilroy21]

@akhil

If you read the above mentioned CAR it clearly does not ask that the skill test be done in India

That being said I wouldnt be surprised if the DGCA did ask you to do so ( they like enforcing their own rules )

So i would suggest you choose multi thats easily available in India for skill test should the worst case scenario happen ( eg PA 34 or P68 ) .

The DA 42 is only available at NFTI and IGRUA . NFTI wont give it to students from outside and IGRUA charges 50,000 an hour and availability can be question
The new flight school in Hyderabad APFT will get a DA 42 but not sure when they will induct it

[garima]

ME skill test

i have ME IR endorsed on my FAA CPL, however i have done only 11hrs on the ME. i.e min no. of hrs in order to hold the ME CPL.

now my question is: are the day, night and IR checks on a ME DONE ONLY AFTER U PASS THE ME CPL CHECKRIDE or the hours before the checkride can also be considered as 'checks'?

plz help me clear this confusion.
thanks

[cyrilroy21]

The DGCA is not very clear about this . But if the hours before the checkride were training flights then obviously you cannot count them as checks

My suggestion would be to do the checks after the checkride as this would be a safer method

[garima]

alright! ill take that.

well, another thing is... i am told by a flight school in india that i am not required to sent the copy of my log book's 1st n last page along with other docs while applying for FRTOL.
whereas when i asked someone at sanchar bhavan.. i was told to submit the log book pages too.
so, is it just that dgca guys want us to do unnecessary extra paper work or this flight school doesnt know the real thing?

[cyrilroy21]

The FRTOL ( full ) is issued by the DGCA on the basis of the WPC RTR (A/P/C) license normally valid for 5 years

I dont think someone sitting in Sanchar Bhavan would be an expert on what the DGCA wants

If the flight school says no need then no need ( although i have a feeling they do need it because an FRTOL Full is normally only issued to someone who has flying experience )

There is something called an FRTOL R(estricted ) . This is issued by the dgca to students of the flight schools in India so that they can start flying before passing/obtaining an RT license
The FRTOLR is enough to do skill test in India and does not need the logbook copy
You will have to visit a local flight school and will need their help to obtain one

[LOC-D]

I was asked to submit a copy of my entire logbook along with an attested copy of my flying license when I applied for my FRTOL. Even though it's not in their list of required supporting docs(since a person who applies for an FRTOL need not have any prior flying experience), they still asked me to submit all of this, along with my marksheets, RTR(A) license. They informed me about having to submit a copy of my logbook and flying license via an objection letter. And that takes some time for them to process from the day your file reaches them. So to be on the safer side as well as to save some time, I'd suggest you be extra thorough and submit a copy of your logbook and flying license(CPL copy attested by a gazzetted officer).

[akhil]

G.F.T day/night?

@cyrilroy
I'm doing my flying from my academy only..taking the risk
Basically all I need is the G.F.T day/night and IR test report..

I wanted to ask if there is a particular form for these G.F.T and IR tests that will have to submitted or is it enough if my academy uses their own forms for these G.F.T's. And if these forms are there where exactly are they on the DGCA website. I found the single engine non jet G.F.T forms but nothing for multi engine non jet..

And also do I need to submit all my documents again like I did for my conversion like the TRTO from my academy and my medical certificates and license copies etc?? They haven't really specified what all documents exactly need to be submitted just for the ME rating conversion

[keyur]

Does anyone know if I can use my hours as an instructor for the 100 Hr PIC requirements for DGCA conversion of CPL

Thanks

[windcutter]

I have foreign PPL and I since we cannot get jobs outside India, I am thinking to join IGRUA or NFTI and get campus or contract of Air India/Indigo respectively. Both the institutes said I have to start from scratch and get my Indian PPL and then CPL and go on with the course from day 1 just like everyone else. From rules perspective it seems right but from money and experience perspective I am at the loosing end. I have few options/questions, I would like to know if they are feasible?-

1) Should I study on my own from one of the Indian flying clubs and save money and try through open market with self sponsored type rating?
2) If IGRUA/NFTI then can i at least maintain my own log book so that I can start with Indian PPL afresh but don't loose my hours from old PPL? Is it even possible/legit/legal to keep foreign license details and again get a new one afresh? Or conversion is compulsary?
3) Would I loose all those PPL hours completely if institutes disagree to maintain my own logbook?
4) It will surely create hassles while creating computer number for theory papers. Since it asks for flying exp hours and license details till today, I am confused what to put.
5) I recently got my Indian class 2 medical done. If you get into any of these institutes what would be the ideal period to get your class 1 done so as not to waste any months of class 1 validity while preparing for theory.