RTR (A) - RTR (P) - RTR (C) Issues
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RTR (A) - RTR (P) - RTR (C) Issues
Hi Guys... i did my flying from Philippines and after coming to India my foreign RT was converted to Indian RTR (P) which was valid till march 2011 so now please suggest me how can i get the Indian RT...
1. Either i give Indian RTR exams and get lifetime RT
2. Or what are the other options
Please help with all your options... thanks in advance....
1. Either i give Indian RTR exams and get lifetime RT
2. Or what are the other options
Please help with all your options... thanks in advance....
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OK at the risk of sounding rude there are numerous threads about this so please do look for threads before you decide to make one. and to answer your question, if you have a current CPL and RT from a commonwealth country you can just submit your documents and you will get a life time RT. but if you only have an RT from a commonwealth country and not a CPL then you need flying experience of 30 hrs in the previous 6 month or you need to clear part 1. Hope this helps.
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If I remember from my old days & I don't think that rules of WPC have changed much,......
It was 30 hrs as a Radio operator not 30 Hrs PIC or DUAL, so 30 hrs as a safety pilot counts if a CFI from any flying club or training school can give U a certificate that U flew those hrs with another pilot, who could be a PPL holder & U are his passenger & RT operator.........
It was 30 hrs as a Radio operator not 30 Hrs PIC or DUAL, so 30 hrs as a safety pilot counts if a CFI from any flying club or training school can give U a certificate that U flew those hrs with another pilot, who could be a PPL holder & U are his passenger & RT operator.........
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@ thearsenal
Regarding the RTR, I have an expired Indian RTR(A) which I am trying to renew but I have to give the WPC exam again. I will do the exam if I absolutely have to but we all know what a big joke that one is.....
I am trying to figure out a way that I don't have to give the WPC exam at all.
U said if U have a RT from a commonwealth country Like CANADA, & have flown 30 hrs in the last 6 months, we can get the RTR, which we need to renew the FRTOL.
Now, someone wrote in a similar RT thread that U need CPL+IR + RT from the common wealth country in order not to give any WPC exams.
If possible, I like the CANADA RT route much better, it is a lot easier for me.
What is your take,
1) Do we need RT alone or RT+CPL/IR from CANADA/ CW country
2) Do we get the life time RT or do they issue an RTR(C) for whatever is the validity of foriegn RT & CPL. It doesn't matter but I ask just for knowledge sake.
Regarding the RTR, I have an expired Indian RTR(A) which I am trying to renew but I have to give the WPC exam again. I will do the exam if I absolutely have to but we all know what a big joke that one is.....
I am trying to figure out a way that I don't have to give the WPC exam at all.
U said if U have a RT from a commonwealth country Like CANADA, & have flown 30 hrs in the last 6 months, we can get the RTR, which we need to renew the FRTOL.
Now, someone wrote in a similar RT thread that U need CPL+IR + RT from the common wealth country in order not to give any WPC exams.
If possible, I like the CANADA RT route much better, it is a lot easier for me.
What is your take,
1) Do we need RT alone or RT+CPL/IR from CANADA/ CW country
2) Do we get the life time RT or do they issue an RTR(C) for whatever is the validity of foriegn RT & CPL. It doesn't matter but I ask just for knowledge sake.
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see a friend of mine 8 months ago did this. he was holding an faa cpl so he went to canada converted his faa cpl to a candian one, plus he did his canadian rt, in that case he converted directly to an rtr A or C (not sure, dont remember which one) by paying 10000 and he got it for lifetime. but if you have only the canadian rt and not the cpl then you need 30 hrs in the previous 36 months or part 1 and in this situation your rtr will have a 20 year valiidity but with the uk rt the rtr is valid till your uk rt expires. I have heard of late this whole business of converting your faa cpl to a canadian one hasnt worked at the wpc in the last couple of months but then again im not sure ive just heard this from people so please dont take my word for it. but i hope ive cleared any doubts you may have had. if you do know people in delhi your best bet would be to ask them to go to wpc and inquire about the candian cpl and canadian rt thing. cheers.
see a friend of mine 8 months ago did this. he was holding an faa cpl so he went to canada converted his faa cpl to a candian one, plus he did his canadian rt, in that case he converted directly to an rtr A or C (not sure, dont remember which one) by paying 10000 and he got it for lifetime. but if you have only the canadian rt and not the cpl then you need 30 hrs in the previous 36 months or part 1 and in this situation your rtr will have a 20 year valiidity but with the uk rt the rtr is valid till your uk rt expires. I have heard of late this whole business of converting your faa cpl to a canadian one hasnt worked at the wpc in the last couple of months but then again im not sure ive just heard this from people so please dont take my word for it. but i hope ive cleared any doubts you may have had. if you do know people in delhi your best bet would be to ask them to go to wpc and inquire about the candian cpl and canadian rt thing. cheers.
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acc. to what i have been told:
1. you need at least CPL + RT
2. and validity is fixed that is 20 yrs i am not sure about the life time validity whether that option is still there or not.
1. you need at least CPL + RT
2. and validity is fixed that is 20 yrs i am not sure about the life time validity whether that option is still there or not.
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@thearsenal
Thanks for the replies bro......
Yeah I have the FAA CPL & 30 hrs in the last 2 months, that's why Canada looked very appealing...
It doesn't matter if they issue life time or 20 yrs or even 5, it's the matter of getting it 1st time without the test... Not that I am scared, I have cleared all my tests in India at one time, just now I am out of the scene.
As far the CANADA conversion, do U know where ur friend went.. or do U know any places where most of the people go to for conversion of FAA TO CANADIAN CPL +RT
BTW, are U in US??
Thanks for the replies bro......
Yeah I have the FAA CPL & 30 hrs in the last 2 months, that's why Canada looked very appealing...
It doesn't matter if they issue life time or 20 yrs or even 5, it's the matter of getting it 1st time without the test... Not that I am scared, I have cleared all my tests in India at one time, just now I am out of the scene.
As far the CANADA conversion, do U know where ur friend went.. or do U know any places where most of the people go to for conversion of FAA TO CANADIAN CPL +RT
BTW, are U in US??
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Part-1&2 = Get RTR(A) for lifetime
Part-1 = Get RTR(C) on you foreign FRTOL for max validity of your FRTOL.
No Part 1&2 = Gets you RTR(P) on basis of FRTOL+CPL( Commonwealth Country CPL ).Validity depends on the license which expires first.
Direct Conversion of Canadian FRTOL + Canadian CPL - Validity will depend on WPC rules( Last i heard they are only issuing 5 year RTR-C not 20 year RTR-C )
You will need 30 hours in last 36 months for Direct conversion or Permit.
Part-1 = Get RTR(C) on you foreign FRTOL for max validity of your FRTOL.
No Part 1&2 = Gets you RTR(P) on basis of FRTOL+CPL( Commonwealth Country CPL ).Validity depends on the license which expires first.
Direct Conversion of Canadian FRTOL + Canadian CPL - Validity will depend on WPC rules( Last i heard they are only issuing 5 year RTR-C not 20 year RTR-C )
You will need 30 hours in last 36 months for Direct conversion or Permit.
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Jb, i would like to correct you ... As per the current rules, part 1 plus 5k gives u an rtr(c) for 20 years and 10k will get u a lifetime one.
I got mine renewed last month and was a fool to listen to my company chaps who said that that i could get only a validity of 3 years even if i paid 10k.
I paid 5, i got 20 .....
I got mine renewed last month and was a fool to listen to my company chaps who said that that i could get only a validity of 3 years even if i paid 10k.
I paid 5, i got 20 .....
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@bad attitude
As per the current rules, part 1 plus 5k gives u an rtr(c) for 20 years and 10k will get u a lifetime one.
As u said that, could you please confirm that if u clear part-1 and make a 10,000 DD will stand you a chance to get it for lifetime?, because, underneath the result issued by wpc, it says that only part-1 candidate will get it for 20 years( DD of 5000), and the ones who cleared full RT will get 2 options, either they go for 20 years (5000 DD) or they go for life time (10,000DD).
inshort is there anyway to get a lifetime(10,000 DD) after clearing part-1 only?
As per the current rules, part 1 plus 5k gives u an rtr(c) for 20 years and 10k will get u a lifetime one.
As u said that, could you please confirm that if u clear part-1 and make a 10,000 DD will stand you a chance to get it for lifetime?, because, underneath the result issued by wpc, it says that only part-1 candidate will get it for 20 years( DD of 5000), and the ones who cleared full RT will get 2 options, either they go for 20 years (5000 DD) or they go for life time (10,000DD).
inshort is there anyway to get a lifetime(10,000 DD) after clearing part-1 only?
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@bad attitude,
i am already done with part-1(i mean i passed it) in this chennai attempt, now i am confuse wheather to send them a 5000DD or 10000, coz it(WPC) says part-1 candidates will have to make 5000DD and they will get it for 20 years....
Life time rule is only for full RT....
i am already done with part-1(i mean i passed it) in this chennai attempt, now i am confuse wheather to send them a 5000DD or 10000, coz it(WPC) says part-1 candidates will have to make 5000DD and they will get it for 20 years....
Life time rule is only for full RT....
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Pilotbaba asked about getting a Canadian FRTOL converted into Indian RTR.
Direct Conversion of above FRTOL( Canadian CPL needed ) will give him Max validity of 20 Years( As Canadian CPL is valid for lifetime but Medical is valid for less years- Don't have medical validity figure.)
So he will get RTR(C) Direct conversion with provision of 30 hours in 36 months.Validity will be max of 20 years but lately WPC has issued( A known person of mine applied in March for direct conversion and got 5 year one.Fee's paid was 5000Rs) 5 years RTR(C) and not 20 year one.So they might have changed again some rue regarding Canadian FRTOL direct conversion.As you got 20 year one ....
No one gets lifetime RTR license by just passing Part1 only if your renewing your OLD RTR(A) then Part1 will get you a lifetime one.
Clearing part 1 and having Foreign FRTOL( Commonwealth+ Philippines ) will get you RTR(C) with max validity of foreign FRTOL.
__________________________________________________________
Sub: Conversion/issue of permit in respect of Foreign Flight Radio Telephone
Operators Licenses (FRTOLs)
A. In light of the current international practices and requirements of International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), the procedures of conversion of FRTOLs in India have been reviewed. Accordingly, it has been decided by this Ministry that the following modified procedures will be adopted for conversion/issue of Permit against a Foreign FRTOL:
i) The holders of Commercial Pilot License (CPL), Airline Transport Pilot License (ATPL) and Flight Engineers License (FEL) from all Commonwealth countries and Philippines will be considered for issue of Indian Radio Telephony Permits directly in lieu of their foreign Flight Radio Telephony Licenses (FRTOLs) provided their FRTOLs are issued from the same Administration from where their Flight Crew Licenses (CPL/ATPL/FEL) have been issued.
ii) The Foreign FRTOLs holders not meeting the above criterion will be required to pass the Part I of RTR (A) examination conducted by this Ministry, for enabling them to have Indian Permit.
iii) The Foreign FRTOLs, issued from countries/Administrations other than Commonwealth and Philippines, will not be entitled either for direct conversion or waiver for the Part II RTR (A) examination.
iv) The validity of the converted Foreign FRTOLs, based upon passing of Part-1 RTR (A) examination, will be for a maximum period of 3 years with effect from date of declaration of examination results or till the validity of Foreign FRTOL; whichever is less. The converted license can be renewed every 3 years subject to fulfilling of renewal criteria of RTR (A) licenses and validity of Foreign FRTOL.
v) The validity of the directly converted Foreign FRTOLs (refer Para-(i) above) will be till the validity of Foreign FRTOL or Pilot/Flight Engineer License or 3 years; whichever is earlier. It will be renewable every 3 years subject to fulfilling of existing RTR (A) renewal criteria and validity of concerned foreign licenses (FRTOL and CPL/ATPL/FEL).
vi) The instructions for filling up the Application form(AF-1) for fresh Permits are enclosed as Annexure-I
These procedures super cede earlier memorandum issued in this regard dated 7/2/2008 and come into force with effect from 15th January’2009.
B. Refer memo. of even number dated 13/03/2008: With a view to facilitate the transition, in accordance with the above guidelines (Para “A” above), a further extension of six months beyond 31/12/2008 i.e. up to 30.06.2009 will be granted to the Renewal cases covered under the memo (dated 13/03/2008),subject to fulfilling of existing RTR (A) renewal criteria. No further extensions will be granted in this regard.
( Gulab Chand)
To
1. Director General, Civil Aviation Dept., New Delhi.
2. All WPC Regional Licensing Offices.
3. WPC Website.
Enclosure: Annexure-I
A further ink of New Guidelines Or Ammendments is given Dated 05/02/2010 :
http://www.wpc.dot.gov.in/DocFiles/abreviation.pdf
This will clear doubts regarding RTR- A/C/P category of licenses.
Jb, i would like to correct you ... As per the current rules, part 1 plus 5k gives u an rtr(c) for 20 years and 10k will get u a lifetime one.
I got mine renewed last month and was a fool to listen to my company chaps who said that that i could get only a validity of 3 years even if i paid 10k
I got mine renewed last month and was a fool to listen to my company chaps who said that that i could get only a validity of 3 years even if i paid 10k
Direct Conversion of above FRTOL( Canadian CPL needed ) will give him Max validity of 20 Years( As Canadian CPL is valid for lifetime but Medical is valid for less years- Don't have medical validity figure.)
So he will get RTR(C) Direct conversion with provision of 30 hours in 36 months.Validity will be max of 20 years but lately WPC has issued( A known person of mine applied in March for direct conversion and got 5 year one.Fee's paid was 5000Rs) 5 years RTR(C) and not 20 year one.So they might have changed again some rue regarding Canadian FRTOL direct conversion.As you got 20 year one ....
No one gets lifetime RTR license by just passing Part1 only if your renewing your OLD RTR(A) then Part1 will get you a lifetime one.
Clearing part 1 and having Foreign FRTOL( Commonwealth+ Philippines ) will get you RTR(C) with max validity of foreign FRTOL.
__________________________________________________________
L-14049/06/2006-COP
Government of India
Ministry of Communications & IT
Department of Telecommunications
(WPC Wing)
Sanchar Bhavan
20, Ashok Road
New Delhi-110 001
December 22, 2008.
MEMORANDUM
Sub: Conversion/issue of permit in respect of Foreign Flight Radio Telephone
Operators Licenses (FRTOLs)
A. In light of the current international practices and requirements of International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), the procedures of conversion of FRTOLs in India have been reviewed. Accordingly, it has been decided by this Ministry that the following modified procedures will be adopted for conversion/issue of Permit against a Foreign FRTOL:
i) The holders of Commercial Pilot License (CPL), Airline Transport Pilot License (ATPL) and Flight Engineers License (FEL) from all Commonwealth countries and Philippines will be considered for issue of Indian Radio Telephony Permits directly in lieu of their foreign Flight Radio Telephony Licenses (FRTOLs) provided their FRTOLs are issued from the same Administration from where their Flight Crew Licenses (CPL/ATPL/FEL) have been issued.
ii) The Foreign FRTOLs holders not meeting the above criterion will be required to pass the Part I of RTR (A) examination conducted by this Ministry, for enabling them to have Indian Permit.
iii) The Foreign FRTOLs, issued from countries/Administrations other than Commonwealth and Philippines, will not be entitled either for direct conversion or waiver for the Part II RTR (A) examination.
iv) The validity of the converted Foreign FRTOLs, based upon passing of Part-1 RTR (A) examination, will be for a maximum period of 3 years with effect from date of declaration of examination results or till the validity of Foreign FRTOL; whichever is less. The converted license can be renewed every 3 years subject to fulfilling of renewal criteria of RTR (A) licenses and validity of Foreign FRTOL.
v) The validity of the directly converted Foreign FRTOLs (refer Para-(i) above) will be till the validity of Foreign FRTOL or Pilot/Flight Engineer License or 3 years; whichever is earlier. It will be renewable every 3 years subject to fulfilling of existing RTR (A) renewal criteria and validity of concerned foreign licenses (FRTOL and CPL/ATPL/FEL).
vi) The instructions for filling up the Application form(AF-1) for fresh Permits are enclosed as Annexure-I
These procedures super cede earlier memorandum issued in this regard dated 7/2/2008 and come into force with effect from 15th January’2009.
B. Refer memo. of even number dated 13/03/2008: With a view to facilitate the transition, in accordance with the above guidelines (Para “A” above), a further extension of six months beyond 31/12/2008 i.e. up to 30.06.2009 will be granted to the Renewal cases covered under the memo (dated 13/03/2008),subject to fulfilling of existing RTR (A) renewal criteria. No further extensions will be granted in this regard.
…….sd/…….
Asstt. Wireless Adviser to Govt. of India
Telephone no. 011-23752484/23036469
To
1. Director General, Civil Aviation Dept., New Delhi.
2. All WPC Regional Licensing Offices.
3. WPC Website.
Enclosure: Annexure-I
http://www.wpc.dot.gov.in/DocFiles/abreviation.pdf
This will clear doubts regarding RTR- A/C/P category of licenses.