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Old 29th Jan 2010, 11:36   #21 (permalink)
 
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CXCPP vs KACPP

To my understanding, the actual ab initio training received by KA and CX cadets in Adelaide is the same, however differences lie in the following items:

1. ICAO English
CX requires candidates to complete the ICAO english test prior to joining cadet training, while KA cadets undergo the english test following completion of training in ADL and their return to HKG.

2. Flight Grading
CX Flight Grading is divided into two categories, depending on the level of experience of a candidate. They are:
a. Basic Grading - 7 flights in Grob115A, focusing on BAC. For applicants with <20 hours TT.
b. Advanced Grading - 3 flights in Grob115A, focusing on assessing candidates' existing flying skills. 3 sorties in sim, with basic Instrument flying.

KA Flight Grading is divided into two categories, also depending on the level of experience of a candidate. They are:
a. Basic Grading - 7 flights in Grob115A, focusing on BAC. For applicants with <20 hours TT.
b. Advanced Grading - 7 flights in Grob115A, also focusing on BAC. Plus 3 flights in CAP10 aerobatic aircraft.

3. Career Prospects in HKG
Following returning to HKG, CX cadets undergo ground school for their respective fleets, and are trained just like any other new F/O, except they are not given base training and following check-to-line, they become official S/Os and are relief cruise pilots.

As for KA cadets, they undergo ground school for their assigned Airbus aircraft, but are also given base training. Following check-to-line, they operate under the rank of S/O but actually execute the duties of an F/O. The difference is that they are not allowed to control the aircraft below a certain limitation in wx condition, something that will change as they are promoted to JF/O and above.

All this is what I have learned from various sources. As with everything else on this forum, read it and take it with a pinch of salt. Having said that though, please feel free to correct any errors that I might have made. Good luck to everyone applying!

Last edited by holdmetight; 30th Jan 2010 at 14:33. Reason: Updated
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 08:10   #22 (permalink)
 
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Just wonder how KA contact short-listed applicants?

via email or phone?

Thx
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 09:07   #23 (permalink)
 
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You get your Initial Test invitation via e-mail. If successful in subsequent assessments you will be contacted by phone. I have heard that unsuccessful candidates are simply ignored and not given any form of rejection.
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 13:11   #24 (permalink)
 
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holdmetight, your post is pretty accurate - just wanted to add a few things.

There is no more "intermediate" flight grading for CX

Also, the training received as a cadet in Adelaide is exactly the same, whether you are from CX or KA

Outward Bound is a thing of the past, and will not be a part of the program anymore.

And yes, as you mentioned, KA cadets graduate to become "flying" Second Officers whereas CX cadets graduate just to become a relief pilot (second officer)
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 14:00   #25 (permalink)
 
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Thx for your reply.

I have submitted my application in late Dec but still haven't heard anything from KA yet.

Hope they will contact me soon.
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 14:27   #26 (permalink)
 
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Thanks flapsupdown for your information, I have corrected my post accordingly.

myhitomi - do you have flying experience?
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 14:37   #27 (permalink)
 
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holdmetight, I have 15 hour flight training experience in Australia.
Why?
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 14:43   #28 (permalink)
 
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myhitomi

myhitomi

Are you Hong Kong resident? Did you apply CX as well?
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 14:44   #29 (permalink)
 
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To cadetpilotwannabe:

Yes, I'm hk resident and I have applied both CPP
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 14:45   #30 (permalink)
 
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myhitomi

The reason I asked you about your flying background is because KA are not responding to applicants with CPL and above, for some unknown reason. Is this your first application then?
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 14:48   #31 (permalink)
 
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this time is my 2nd attempt
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 15:10   #32 (permalink)
 
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I applied both KA and CX as well. Good to know you here~ you can add my msn~ PM u already
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Old 30th Jan 2010, 15:27   #33 (permalink)
 
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Hello myhitomi! Which stage of KA cpp did you fail before?
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Old 31st Jan 2010, 00:23   #34 (permalink)
 
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Initial test
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Old 31st Jan 2010, 16:29   #35 (permalink)
 
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Are the written tests for cx, ka, and ahk the same? What kind of questions are on these tests?
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 07:41   #36 (permalink)
 
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Just wonder if you guys have received any respond from KA after your initial test on late Jan.

Iím like an ant inside a hot pot!!
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 08:07   #37 (permalink)
 
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Quote:
Just wonder if you guys have received any respond from KA after your initial test on late Jan.
Negative. Don't know of anyone who has heard back from them either, I guess we'll find out tomorrow!
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 11:09   #38 (permalink)
 
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Ray7781

When did u submit your application?

I've been waiting for almost 1 month
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Old 1st Feb 2010, 14:37   #39 (permalink)
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Are you sure they dont send candidates any rejection email?
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Old 2nd Feb 2010, 01:11   #40 (permalink)
 
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myhitomi

done with my application on early Jan! Don't give up, !!

We all here to bear up....

sound out if anyone got respond!
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