Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme
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kycfi85 because locals only?
The decline of standards is due to the reduced and targeted applicant pool Cathay is drawing their new recruits from (HK residents only)
Either that, or the locked out expats are getting butt-hurt at the new recruitment scheme and/or pay. I do have reasons to believe that, based on their current 'rate of recruitment' VS 'new aircraft introductions' they will open the flood gates soon and re-hire expats.
Either that, or the locked out expats are getting butt-hurt at the new recruitment scheme and/or pay. I do have reasons to believe that, based on their current 'rate of recruitment' VS 'new aircraft introductions' they will open the flood gates soon and re-hire expats.
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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme
Hi guys, I am going to apply the cadet program next year. Is there anyone would like to form a group study? I am current staff in an airline. If you don't mind, please leave your email, and I will contact you.
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Physics Test?
If any of you are still wondering, the physics test was perhaps one of the easiest and most relaxing part of the compass. The questions are easy, I can answer them in less then 10 seconds, most require basic concepts you probably know from elementary school with almost no math. They also involve a little aerodynamic questions, which should also be fine if you studied the JKI.
Seawolf2- It wasn't so hard was it?
Jackykiller- Why next year? Why not now?
Seawolf2- It wasn't so hard was it?
Jackykiller- Why next year? Why not now?
Some people think that there is going to be some dramatic increase in pilot recruitment at CX because of aircraft orders in place. The reality is far different. Between now and 2024 CX will retire approximately 70 aircraft from its fleet. This includes 21 x B747-400 pax and freighters, 12 x A340-300, 5 x B777-200, 12 x B777-300, and 17 x A330-300. In that same time frame 93 aircraft are on order. This is a net gain of 23 aircraft or 2.3 aircraft per year.
Now the kicker for all you wannabes is that the HK Civil Aviation Department has just approved CX’s new “Flight Time Limitation” scheme which now allows 3 man Long Range Operations where previously it required 4. This came into effect on the 1st March. Also all Long Range Operations that are flown 3 crew must comprise 1 x Capt and 2 x FO’s. SO’s will only be required on Ultra Long Range Operations to New York and Toronto and some A330 flights to Middle Eastern and Australian destinations. In the stroke of a pen the SO requirement by CX has potentially been reduced by 100’s.
Lastly it was asked when CX will start AE & TT courses again. TT is currently on hold as there isn’t the need for many SO’s. AE will probably never return as the HK Immigration Department from what I have been told doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for the granting of a sponsored work visa. There are two fundamental requirements that an employer must meet when sponsoring an expatriate employee in HK. The prospective employee MUST bring into HK a QUALIFICATION and EXPERIENCE that isn’t readily available in HK. Since an AE pilot doesn’t hold an ATPL because they don’t meet the experience requirements to hold one the HK Immigration Department from what I gather doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for a visa.
Now the kicker for all you wannabes is that the HK Civil Aviation Department has just approved CX’s new “Flight Time Limitation” scheme which now allows 3 man Long Range Operations where previously it required 4. This came into effect on the 1st March. Also all Long Range Operations that are flown 3 crew must comprise 1 x Capt and 2 x FO’s. SO’s will only be required on Ultra Long Range Operations to New York and Toronto and some A330 flights to Middle Eastern and Australian destinations. In the stroke of a pen the SO requirement by CX has potentially been reduced by 100’s.
Lastly it was asked when CX will start AE & TT courses again. TT is currently on hold as there isn’t the need for many SO’s. AE will probably never return as the HK Immigration Department from what I have been told doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for the granting of a sponsored work visa. There are two fundamental requirements that an employer must meet when sponsoring an expatriate employee in HK. The prospective employee MUST bring into HK a QUALIFICATION and EXPERIENCE that isn’t readily available in HK. Since an AE pilot doesn’t hold an ATPL because they don’t meet the experience requirements to hold one the HK Immigration Department from what I gather doesn’t believe they meet the requirements for a visa.
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Now the kicker for all you wannabes is that the HK Civil Aviation Department has just approved CX’s new “Flight Time Limitation” scheme which now allows 3 man Long Range Operations where previously it required 4. This came into effect on the 1st March. Also all Long Range Operations that are flown 3 crew must comprise 1 x Capt and 2 x FO’s. SO’s will only be required on Ultra Long Range Operations to New York and Toronto and some A330 flights to Middle Eastern and Australian destinations. In the stroke of a pen the SO requirement by CX has potentially been reduced by 100’s.
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Does this mean we will see a slow-down or even a halt in SO recruitment?
Does this mean we will see a slow-down or even a halt in SO recruitment?
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That's why I smile when people come out during Singapore Air show and say industry needs 50000 pilots.
Another pilot mill:
http://business.asiaone.com/news/sia...ning-programme
http://www.ctcaviation.com/news/arti...res_for_growth
http://www.toledoblade.com/business/...d-to-soar.html
Another pilot mill:
http://business.asiaone.com/news/sia...ning-programme
http://www.ctcaviation.com/news/arti...res_for_growth
http://www.toledoblade.com/business/...d-to-soar.html
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I can’t provide a copy of CX’s AFTL’s as they are in a company document which isn’t permitted to be distributed outside the company. I would suggest though contacting:
Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association (HKAOA)
Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD)
And having a read of:
“HKCAD 371 (Second Edition) THE AVOIDANCE OF FATIGUE IN AIRCREWS”
This "resembles" the new AFTL’s that CX operate under as it was built around it but there are variations. Crewing being one of them.
I can’t provide a copy of CX’s AFTL’s as they are in a company document which isn’t permitted to be distributed outside the company. I would suggest though contacting:
Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association (HKAOA)
Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department (HKCAD)
And having a read of:
“HKCAD 371 (Second Edition) THE AVOIDANCE OF FATIGUE IN AIRCREWS”
This "resembles" the new AFTL’s that CX operate under as it was built around it but there are variations. Crewing being one of them.
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Cost of Training
Around how much does the company pay for the training of each new Cadet?
That include air fares, accommodation, ground school, flight training etc.
How much resource was mobilized for every cadet in the program?
I have done my searches in this thread and it suggests the figure to lie somewhere around 1.2 - 1.3 million HKD which cadets must pay if facing a premature leave. Correct me if I am wrong.
That include air fares, accommodation, ground school, flight training etc.
How much resource was mobilized for every cadet in the program?
I have done my searches in this thread and it suggests the figure to lie somewhere around 1.2 - 1.3 million HKD which cadets must pay if facing a premature leave. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Do you think this could mean accepting applicants for direct entry FOs in the near future (if less SOs are needed and SO positions are filled by cadets with no real flying experience?)
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Short answer, no. The new AFTL’s haven’t increased the need for FO’s at all. What they have done is to reduce the crewing requirement overall by eliminating the need for SO’s on the majority of Long Haul flights. Any shortfall in FO’s and Capt’s that may eventuate because of additional down route rest required with 3 man Long Range Ops will be made up by internal promotions.
Short answer, no. The new AFTL’s haven’t increased the need for FO’s at all. What they have done is to reduce the crewing requirement overall by eliminating the need for SO’s on the majority of Long Haul flights. Any shortfall in FO’s and Capt’s that may eventuate because of additional down route rest required with 3 man Long Range Ops will be made up by internal promotions.
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Pilot reduced
Welp, does that mean a more rigorous selection for Hong Kong kids?
Or is it counter balanced by crucifying the expats?
How do you see the selection intensity now comparing it to a few years ago?
I'm having initial B in a few days and am already loosing sleep over this =_=
Or is it counter balanced by crucifying the expats?
How do you see the selection intensity now comparing it to a few years ago?
I'm having initial B in a few days and am already loosing sleep over this =_=
If your eliminating the need for SO's and increasing the need for FO's then you will have to look at DEFO!
If you halve the amount of SO's you have but the number of FO's stays the same where will you get the extra's from for filling the FO spots as they become available?
If you halve the amount of SO's you have but the number of FO's stays the same where will you get the extra's from for filling the FO spots as they become available?
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they just fall out of skies
I think it will go down like what 404 said.
Internal promotions to upgrade their 'experienced' SOs so they become FOs. The new regulation allows SOs on fewer long haul flights, they will not have a shortage on either side, saves money and labor...
Internal promotions to upgrade their 'experienced' SOs so they become FOs. The new regulation allows SOs on fewer long haul flights, they will not have a shortage on either side, saves money and labor...
pilotchute
Local recruitment of cadets from Hong Kong will more than satisfy the need for SO’s for the foreseeable future. There are about 50 long haul flights a day that are potentially affected by the new “AFTL’s”. A reduction of 25% of the crewing requirement on these flights will have an effect on SO recruitment as evidenced by the fact the TT recruitment stream hasn’t been restarted.
The next step in this jigsaw puzzle is the renaming of SO’s as Cruise FO’s. Once the HKCAD changes the requirement for Base Training (Circuits with touch & go landings) in the real aircraft rather than in a sim, SO’s will become Cruise FO’s and meet the requirements for 3 man long range ops. Cruise FO’s will have the same restrictions as SO’s, i.e. no take-offs or landing and only allowed in the seat above FL200, oh and I nearly forgot, the same pay as an SO or if the cynical side of me is right, probably less.
Local recruitment of cadets from Hong Kong will more than satisfy the need for SO’s for the foreseeable future. There are about 50 long haul flights a day that are potentially affected by the new “AFTL’s”. A reduction of 25% of the crewing requirement on these flights will have an effect on SO recruitment as evidenced by the fact the TT recruitment stream hasn’t been restarted.
The next step in this jigsaw puzzle is the renaming of SO’s as Cruise FO’s. Once the HKCAD changes the requirement for Base Training (Circuits with touch & go landings) in the real aircraft rather than in a sim, SO’s will become Cruise FO’s and meet the requirements for 3 man long range ops. Cruise FO’s will have the same restrictions as SO’s, i.e. no take-offs or landing and only allowed in the seat above FL200, oh and I nearly forgot, the same pay as an SO or if the cynical side of me is right, probably less.