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As a former "Cathay Kid" and now working for said airline - his facts are valid.
If people aren't willing to look at the basics of a long term career without checking out:
- Rental prices and areas
- Cost of living and tax laws
- Accounting your family, or future family, into the equation (schools, transport etc)
- Recreation, personal interests etc
Then there is a severe lacking in maturity and responsibility that does not reflect well.
All the information is more then easily available. If someone is too lazy or incapable to research moving to Hong Kong then how are they the sort of person that belongs on the flight deck of an airliner?
Current CX crew are not discouraging people due to a perceived mentality "we're in a club that no one else is allowed in". Garbage, if people choose to be ignorant of the facts of our industry then they are not a credit to our profession.
And I think I know what I am talking about better then someone chasing a nice uniform and a big jet they can facebook their friends about.
End rant.
If people aren't willing to look at the basics of a long term career without checking out:
- Rental prices and areas
- Cost of living and tax laws
- Accounting your family, or future family, into the equation (schools, transport etc)
- Recreation, personal interests etc
Then there is a severe lacking in maturity and responsibility that does not reflect well.
All the information is more then easily available. If someone is too lazy or incapable to research moving to Hong Kong then how are they the sort of person that belongs on the flight deck of an airliner?
Current CX crew are not discouraging people due to a perceived mentality "we're in a club that no one else is allowed in". Garbage, if people choose to be ignorant of the facts of our industry then they are not a credit to our profession.
And I think I know what I am talking about better then someone chasing a nice uniform and a big jet they can facebook their friends about.
End rant.
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So, boat - let me get this straight...
You're not an airline pilot.
You don't live in Hong Kong.
You don't work for CX.
You're not an "iCadet".
And you tell me I've got it all wrong?
I play a decent game of golf - but what you're doing is the equivalent of me shouting advice to Tiger Woods from the gallery during the Open.
The only thing you and I have in common is having read the AP3456.
I'm not surprised you're confused about responsibility and TEM.
You're not an airline pilot.
You don't live in Hong Kong.
You don't work for CX.
You're not an "iCadet".
And you tell me I've got it all wrong?
I play a decent game of golf - but what you're doing is the equivalent of me shouting advice to Tiger Woods from the gallery during the Open.
The only thing you and I have in common is having read the AP3456.
I'm not surprised you're confused about responsibility and TEM.
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think outside the box
ok i am have ideas/thought that maybe us wannabes/currence iCadets can consider to make life is better if/when we are accepted into cpp.
1. maybe 3 (or more?) icads to share an apartment, thats $30k "allowance money" to use but maybe for a small apartment. lifestyle will not be best but you can at least get by okay financially. share/reduce groceries and living expense.
2. i have not looked too much into it but if you are extreme you can considered using CX cpp to gain a HKCPL and deliberate fail line check to get fired and go back to home country and convert to local CPL etc etc
3. if u are really young and dont mind doing hard at CX for 10-12 years you can maybe have enough time to transfer to other airlines.
Not all of us have a planned to stayat CX forever. I am have my stage 2 next month fingers crossed i am make it through to flight grading. I am young with ulterior motive CX is means to an end so all this bad stuff i am willling to put up for a decade and then i am transfer. Simple if CX play with employees, then i will also play with CX... i will not plan to save as much fuel either.
1. maybe 3 (or more?) icads to share an apartment, thats $30k "allowance money" to use but maybe for a small apartment. lifestyle will not be best but you can at least get by okay financially. share/reduce groceries and living expense.
2. i have not looked too much into it but if you are extreme you can considered using CX cpp to gain a HKCPL and deliberate fail line check to get fired and go back to home country and convert to local CPL etc etc
3. if u are really young and dont mind doing hard at CX for 10-12 years you can maybe have enough time to transfer to other airlines.
Not all of us have a planned to stayat CX forever. I am have my stage 2 next month fingers crossed i am make it through to flight grading. I am young with ulterior motive CX is means to an end so all this bad stuff i am willling to put up for a decade and then i am transfer. Simple if CX play with employees, then i will also play with CX... i will not plan to save as much fuel either.
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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CX-A330,
Whilst I understand your gameplan totally, I do not hold out much hope for it's success! You see, the guys interviewing at CX will have far more experience of interviewing than you have of being interviewed and as such will easily suss out your ulterior motives. You may think you are smart, and you probably are a bright cookie alright, but it's like someone who enjoys the occasional jog around their local block announcing to the world that they intend to take on Usian Bolt! They will simply pose a couple of questions at the start and then pose a couple more at counterpoint towards the end which will easily expose any contradictions inherent in your story. It is a sport to the guys in recruitment and you are just what they are looking for!
Good luck but don't expect to get past stage 2 mate. As someone already suggested - there is no point playing with CX as you will always lose. Their eyes are on you the entire time you are with them in HK and in particular at CX City... enjoy having big brother watching you as you attempt to live out your lie!!
VFE.
Whilst I understand your gameplan totally, I do not hold out much hope for it's success! You see, the guys interviewing at CX will have far more experience of interviewing than you have of being interviewed and as such will easily suss out your ulterior motives. You may think you are smart, and you probably are a bright cookie alright, but it's like someone who enjoys the occasional jog around their local block announcing to the world that they intend to take on Usian Bolt! They will simply pose a couple of questions at the start and then pose a couple more at counterpoint towards the end which will easily expose any contradictions inherent in your story. It is a sport to the guys in recruitment and you are just what they are looking for!
Good luck but don't expect to get past stage 2 mate. As someone already suggested - there is no point playing with CX as you will always lose. Their eyes are on you the entire time you are with them in HK and in particular at CX City... enjoy having big brother watching you as you attempt to live out your lie!!
VFE.
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Flyboy is your perfect example. Whilst he'll get all offended, he's asked the same damn questions that have been posted a few hundred times on this and the other threads:- to which very in depth answers have been given. There lies your professionalism standards and true determination to research facts.....
My second query is; do the cadets get paid who are in the transition pool during training? What about the ones who are in Adelaide for 30 weeks? Is accommodation provided in Adelaide? The previous posts say that FTA in Adelaide provide food and accommodation and CX give the cadets $100 per week for allowance. This was in a 2009 post. Is it still the same?
I realise I won't be logging any or minimal hours as a SO. But my plan is to join CX and end up retiring with them. So there is no question of leaving.
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CX-A330, Battle Star and fly_boy:
I rest my case!
Brisdude is your perfect example of a guy who seems to have the balls to tell it how it is, from a point of view of actually doing it (the reason I wrote "MOST" iCadets and not all). But, the rose-coloured glass wearers will disregard it of course.
fly_boy: EVERY question you have asked has been answered in COMPLETE depth so. Even still, you seem to seek the information from a RUMOUR NETWORK!!! From your questions you haven't even bothered to telephone CX for the precise answers and get the FACTS! And how would I know?? Because did the exact same thing to get the REAL FACTS and didn't rely on hear-say, opinion and least of all a rumour network. What are you missing in your calculations (again, ALL been written before) is the LONG TERM affects of potential wife, kids, single income supporting a new family), unforeseen circumstances, savings to work towards the 30% deposit required for a place to buy, what if you NEED to leave CX and HK within 5-10 years, retirement.... You WILL NOT retire comfortably. All precise facts and precise figures have been done on this thread and others many, many times. Your housing allowance is not even factored to CPI so that $10k is worth less and less every year. By the time you get that illustrious $36k it'll be worth the same but probably less than the original $10k you received. You have done little to no research but for "my friend told me" and asking the tiresome same questions that have been repeated so many, many times on a rumour network that will affect the rest of your life.
boat:
I'm just plain "wrong"? And on what do you base this argument? The "Sticks and stones" principle or the "nah nah nah-nah nah" principle??
What? It is OK and shows integrity to undermine the industry?
It is smart to ignore FACTS, figures and opinions of those with direct knowledge & experience of HK & CX, the job, lifestyle and future? Of those with international (widebody) airline experience?
The fact that little things like study for a (f)ATPL is viewed as too difficult for you to be bothered to do in order to interview for a job?
The fact that there is no way the likes of you & most other iCadets would not be in any position to even hope to interview for CX had the standards not been lowered so very, very much?
I rest my case!
Brisdude is your perfect example of a guy who seems to have the balls to tell it how it is, from a point of view of actually doing it (the reason I wrote "MOST" iCadets and not all). But, the rose-coloured glass wearers will disregard it of course.
fly_boy: EVERY question you have asked has been answered in COMPLETE depth so. Even still, you seem to seek the information from a RUMOUR NETWORK!!! From your questions you haven't even bothered to telephone CX for the precise answers and get the FACTS! And how would I know?? Because did the exact same thing to get the REAL FACTS and didn't rely on hear-say, opinion and least of all a rumour network. What are you missing in your calculations (again, ALL been written before) is the LONG TERM affects of potential wife, kids, single income supporting a new family), unforeseen circumstances, savings to work towards the 30% deposit required for a place to buy, what if you NEED to leave CX and HK within 5-10 years, retirement.... You WILL NOT retire comfortably. All precise facts and precise figures have been done on this thread and others many, many times. Your housing allowance is not even factored to CPI so that $10k is worth less and less every year. By the time you get that illustrious $36k it'll be worth the same but probably less than the original $10k you received. You have done little to no research but for "my friend told me" and asking the tiresome same questions that have been repeated so many, many times on a rumour network that will affect the rest of your life.
boat:
I'm just plain "wrong"? And on what do you base this argument? The "Sticks and stones" principle or the "nah nah nah-nah nah" principle??
What? It is OK and shows integrity to undermine the industry?
It is smart to ignore FACTS, figures and opinions of those with direct knowledge & experience of HK & CX, the job, lifestyle and future? Of those with international (widebody) airline experience?
The fact that little things like study for a (f)ATPL is viewed as too difficult for you to be bothered to do in order to interview for a job?
The fact that there is no way the likes of you & most other iCadets would not be in any position to even hope to interview for CX had the standards not been lowered so very, very much?
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Nov 21st HKG Stage 1 Interview
For all the ppl that have been slated for the Stage 1 in Nov 21st in HKG, PM me and we can setup a chat to share thoughts and collective info as there are many valid points highlighted here, but it would be good to focus on the stuff needed for the guys actually making the informed decision to proceed with the interview.
To all the other gents or ladies putting up their thoughts, please keep them coming. It allows both sides of the coin to be viewed objectively.
To answer some of the posts wrt max age limits, at last check with CX HR, there are no hardline drawn and they would weigh your experience vs your routes of advancement.
I am currently residing in Singapore and if there are any other Singaporean candidates that has made it through or are in the process that is still following this thread, feel free to PM as well.
To all the other gents or ladies putting up their thoughts, please keep them coming. It allows both sides of the coin to be viewed objectively.
To answer some of the posts wrt max age limits, at last check with CX HR, there are no hardline drawn and they would weigh your experience vs your routes of advancement.
I am currently residing in Singapore and if there are any other Singaporean candidates that has made it through or are in the process that is still following this thread, feel free to PM as well.
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Quite a lot actually.
-Tax bill
-Provisional Tax bill
-Landline bill
-Mobile phone bill
-Internet bill
-electricity bill (a/c in the summertime is expensive!)
-water bill
-gas bill
-entertainment expenses
-staff travel expenses (CX will make a lot of money from you)
-management fees
-taxis/ferries/mtr expenses
-medicine expenses
-aviation medical renewel bill
...to name but a few. If you ever plan on having a family there is a lot to add on to this list!
That 45k will be eroded very, very quickly just on your day to day living in HK.
-Tax bill
-Provisional Tax bill
-Landline bill
-Mobile phone bill
-Internet bill
-electricity bill (a/c in the summertime is expensive!)
-water bill
-gas bill
-entertainment expenses
-staff travel expenses (CX will make a lot of money from you)
-management fees
-taxis/ferries/mtr expenses
-medicine expenses
-aviation medical renewel bill
...to name but a few. If you ever plan on having a family there is a lot to add on to this list!
That 45k will be eroded very, very quickly just on your day to day living in HK.
Well, that pretty much answers all my queries about CX. This is not what I ever thought CX would be like. So, I guess I am better off in the long run building my hours on a regional and then applying as a DEFO. Will keep a close eye on this thread and but thanx for the replies. For now, turbo-props it is.
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Hi there CX-A330, did you pass stage 1? What kind of questions did they ask? Something new which aren't here on the thread? Which plane was discovered on the table?
Thanks mate.. you can PM me too.. Wish you luck with stage 2/3
Thanks mate.. you can PM me too.. Wish you luck with stage 2/3
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Both China Beached, both. I think you'll find both principles are as well thought out as your arguments you troll!!!! I think you don't even work for Cathay, I think that's why you spend all your time in a wannabe forum.
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Transition Training Stage 1 Interview
Just got the details on my Stage 1 Interview and would like to see if anyone here has gone through the Transition Training Programme(14 weeks) Stage 1/2 Interview process?
From CX HR, there are only 2 Interviews Stage 1 and 2. No JKI issued as that as well as the WOMBAT Psychomotor test will not be required. Other than that nothing else was much said.
Only forms that needed to fill were a medical questionnaire and record of flying hours and License details.
Any guys who have been through it, much appreciated if you have some info on the interview process thanks.
From CX HR, there are only 2 Interviews Stage 1 and 2. No JKI issued as that as well as the WOMBAT Psychomotor test will not be required. Other than that nothing else was much said.
Only forms that needed to fill were a medical questionnaire and record of flying hours and License details.
Any guys who have been through it, much appreciated if you have some info on the interview process thanks.
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Cadet Pilot application on web
Anybody have experience with this website? It's asking for Secondary Education Results. It's been over 10 years since I was in high school in the US and I don't remember courses and grades. Anybody have any pointers?
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I was lucky enough to still have my High School Certificate. I don't think they're interested in your marks. Try your Department of Education archives to see if you can retrieve your certificate, there may be a small fee involved.
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Boat....you really are only showing your complete lack of intelligence, ability to read, research and any form of common sense.
And you got that information from where? The many times I've written that I interviewed for CX > 3.5 years ago and was successful for the DESO T's & C's, was put on hold until eventually offered the insulting iCadet package and turned it down - TWICE - as so many others in my situation did? (The same insulting package that the likes of you see as an "opportunity" because you see a GA or regional airline demanding you meet the prerequisites of a frozen ATP/ATPL as too hard but CX will accept far, far, far lower standards of ZERO flying experience or credentials). So genius, you're right. I don't work for CX and never said I did. Unlike you and so many others I know what I'm worth, respect my colleagues and have self respect. A wannabe you say?? As a result I am an FO on a widebody with a career path without ever having to sell my soul (and earning a better base salary than CX B scale).
Troll? Heard that one before as well. So, once again for the slow boats out there: A troll is considered an ugly creature living beneath dingy bridges in remote towns, living off scraps and scaring the local community. Now, replace dingy bridge with 400 sq ft apartment, replace remote town with outer reaches of HK, replace scraps of food with 2 min noodles and replace scaring the local community with actively bringing down the standards, terms and conditions of an airline.... Seems like troll is more apt elsewhere. You are the perfect ignorant stooge CX are seeking. If you're lucky Capt NB can invite you on his next TV ad promoting CX's great values (you won't be paid but you can strut about CX city). Capt (loose term) RH will just be thanking you for adding to his massive bonuses.
Fly_boy: good luck with your career. You have made the right decision. It will be harder than you first imagine but the rewards will be 10 fold in career and financial security.
I think you don't even work for Cathay, I think that's why you spend all your time in a wannabe forum.
Troll? Heard that one before as well. So, once again for the slow boats out there: A troll is considered an ugly creature living beneath dingy bridges in remote towns, living off scraps and scaring the local community. Now, replace dingy bridge with 400 sq ft apartment, replace remote town with outer reaches of HK, replace scraps of food with 2 min noodles and replace scaring the local community with actively bringing down the standards, terms and conditions of an airline.... Seems like troll is more apt elsewhere. You are the perfect ignorant stooge CX are seeking. If you're lucky Capt NB can invite you on his next TV ad promoting CX's great values (you won't be paid but you can strut about CX city). Capt (loose term) RH will just be thanking you for adding to his massive bonuses.
Fly_boy: good luck with your career. You have made the right decision. It will be harder than you first imagine but the rewards will be 10 fold in career and financial security.
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Troll:
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
Although you've created a new definition for the word to suit your argument, this is the one people are familiar with.
I love how you've convinced yourself that you did Flyboy a favor. In your twisted little world, you've saved another soul from certain purgatory, directing him away from the obvious goals he had in front of him because Cathay didn't agree with YOU. Hang your head, pal. You did no one a favor except yourself.
People, ask yourself the credibility of your source. ChinaBeached has created havoc on similar forums, spattering drivel based on his own opinions and self-professing righteous views on integrity and respect. They are NOT the views of a happy Cathay employee (and yes I know several happy Cathay employees), merely the views of someone who was thrown in the waiting pool and has enough of a chip on his shoulder that he spends his days posting on a thread of an airline he's not even a part of
.You simply didn't cut the mustard, China. Why not enjoy your wide-body FO experience in your current airline. Live in the present, not the past. What expertise do you think you're imparting to people? You haven't lived in Hong Kong, you haven't worked for the company, and you haven't gone through the entire hiring process. These are the things people on this thread are interested in, not the contorted views of someone working for a DIFFERENT airline on how poor it is.
Let qualified people post here.
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
Although you've created a new definition for the word to suit your argument, this is the one people are familiar with.
I love how you've convinced yourself that you did Flyboy a favor. In your twisted little world, you've saved another soul from certain purgatory, directing him away from the obvious goals he had in front of him because Cathay didn't agree with YOU. Hang your head, pal. You did no one a favor except yourself.
People, ask yourself the credibility of your source. ChinaBeached has created havoc on similar forums, spattering drivel based on his own opinions and self-professing righteous views on integrity and respect. They are NOT the views of a happy Cathay employee (and yes I know several happy Cathay employees), merely the views of someone who was thrown in the waiting pool and has enough of a chip on his shoulder that he spends his days posting on a thread of an airline he's not even a part of
.You simply didn't cut the mustard, China. Why not enjoy your wide-body FO experience in your current airline. Live in the present, not the past. What expertise do you think you're imparting to people? You haven't lived in Hong Kong, you haven't worked for the company, and you haven't gone through the entire hiring process. These are the things people on this thread are interested in, not the contorted views of someone working for a DIFFERENT airline on how poor it is.Let qualified people post here.