Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme
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Hey Guys Im from Toronto Canada and ive just applied, I have a CPL/MULTI-IFR/Instructor Rating already and 900 TT with commercial experience on a navajo. I wouldn't mind starting over again to learn the 'cathay' way with their SOPs.
Good luck to everyone here! Any idea how many candidates they take per batch and when the interview cycles run? Ive put HongKong as my first choice for interview preference location.
Good luck to everyone here! Any idea how many candidates they take per batch and when the interview cycles run? Ive put HongKong as my first choice for interview preference location.
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Hi guys
Just after some infomation on the reasoning test. Is it based on maths questions or more verbal and abstract.
Any help would be appreciated on what to expect.
Thanks
Just after some infomation on the reasoning test. Is it based on maths questions or more verbal and abstract.
Any help would be appreciated on what to expect.
Thanks
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1. Same
2. No housing, other benefits the same
3. Cadet = no housing
4. Public forum, not the place to tell
5. No. seniority is determined by date of hire.
6. Seniority determines time to upgrade to JFO, not performance. Presently around 4 years after finishing cadet course and starting SO training.
7. P2 time can be logged only for time in the right seat. Captains can log the entire time of flight.
8. Sim module every 2 months.
9. Not true.
10. In accepting a contract on lower terms, you are setting the stage for lowering the conditions of all CX pilots in the future, making your contract the standard for all new hires and making it very hard for the present CX pilots to improve conditions. Most try to rationalize that even though they start employment with CX on lower conditions, they eventually will get the same benefits and contract conditions then the present CX pilots which is not the case. It's the simple supply and demand game. As long as CX can lower conditions and find enough pilots/cadets to fill these positions the trend to lower contract conditions continues until the situation reverses, meaning CX has to raise contract conditions again to find enough qualified people to supply hiring demand.
In my opinion you can make CX only a viable career if you can hold a US base (guessing you are American) after JFO assessment, which there are none available at the present time.
If you consider living in Hong Kong with wife and without housing benefits most of your income will be used up, making it very hard to save money for retirement or create home owner equity. When you are promoted to Captain in 15 - 18 years you will get a special management allowance which is presently about 1/3 of the housing allowance.
You truly love flying? Pilots don't fly at CX or any other particular long-haul widebody airline, pilots operate and manage automation.
2. No housing, other benefits the same
3. Cadet = no housing
4. Public forum, not the place to tell
5. No. seniority is determined by date of hire.
6. Seniority determines time to upgrade to JFO, not performance. Presently around 4 years after finishing cadet course and starting SO training.
7. P2 time can be logged only for time in the right seat. Captains can log the entire time of flight.
8. Sim module every 2 months.
9. Not true.
10. In accepting a contract on lower terms, you are setting the stage for lowering the conditions of all CX pilots in the future, making your contract the standard for all new hires and making it very hard for the present CX pilots to improve conditions. Most try to rationalize that even though they start employment with CX on lower conditions, they eventually will get the same benefits and contract conditions then the present CX pilots which is not the case. It's the simple supply and demand game. As long as CX can lower conditions and find enough pilots/cadets to fill these positions the trend to lower contract conditions continues until the situation reverses, meaning CX has to raise contract conditions again to find enough qualified people to supply hiring demand.
In my opinion you can make CX only a viable career if you can hold a US base (guessing you are American) after JFO assessment, which there are none available at the present time.
If you consider living in Hong Kong with wife and without housing benefits most of your income will be used up, making it very hard to save money for retirement or create home owner equity. When you are promoted to Captain in 15 - 18 years you will get a special management allowance which is presently about 1/3 of the housing allowance.
You truly love flying? Pilots don't fly at CX or any other particular long-haul widebody airline, pilots operate and manage automation.
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The HR lady told me that was NO education allowances either, as the public Hong Kong schools were available to locals.
I was in the 2008 DESO pool, said No to the cadet scheme.
I have over 4500 hrs and the lifestyle is what I'm looking for, the cockpit is the same on a Dash8 as it is on the 747, just a little higher and faster.
Times are turing for the better, just wait.
I was in the 2008 DESO pool, said No to the cadet scheme.
I have over 4500 hrs and the lifestyle is what I'm looking for, the cockpit is the same on a Dash8 as it is on the 747, just a little higher and faster.
Times are turing for the better, just wait.
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1-3. Absolutely no housing for cadet at the moment. Special management allowance when promoted to captain which is around 1/3 of the housing allowance and 1/5 of the present rental allowance for captain. Local employed pilots are getting now an education allowance as far as I know, so cadets will get it too.
7. SO do not take-off or land the aircraft. SO operate the radio and maintain fuel log in cruise. When flying with Captain SO sits in right seat when flying with Relief Qualified FO, SO sits in left seat. SO time can not be logged, as you will have a P2X rating.
7. SO do not take-off or land the aircraft. SO operate the radio and maintain fuel log in cruise. When flying with Captain SO sits in right seat when flying with Relief Qualified FO, SO sits in left seat. SO time can not be logged, as you will have a P2X rating.
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A SO cadet upgrading to JFO has no more T/O and Ldg experience than 4 years previously when they flew in Adelaide. Not sure what this T/O, Ldg experience is that you are asking about, if you can pass the upgrade you will be a JFO if you can't you won't be and will be fired.
There will be no progress on housing until the first international cadets have enough time as a JFO and all start leaving for other jobs, CX will then provide just enough to make it worthwhile staying.
There will be no progress on housing until the first international cadets have enough time as a JFO and all start leaving for other jobs, CX will then provide just enough to make it worthwhile staying.
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hey Zoe,
check ur email
It doesnt mean that you're out
I think I did well, but I can't say if I made it or not. Its a pain and a matter of waiting. 2-3 weeks. so we get to know sometime between Feb 28th and March 5th
Tim
check ur email
It doesnt mean that you're out
I think I did well, but I can't say if I made it or not. Its a pain and a matter of waiting. 2-3 weeks. so we get to know sometime between Feb 28th and March 5thTim
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Cathay Stage 1
hi everyone,
I've been reading numerous posts about information regarding Cathay Stage 1. Here's my report!
I had my Stage 1 one Feb 14th! It contained of the following things:
- Job Knowledge Test
- Reasoning Test
- Wombat-Cs Test
- Personality Test
- Interview (technical + personal)
Job Knowledge Test
Upon your invitation to Stage 1 you receive a JKI Booklet detailing information you NEED TO KNOW for the Job Knowledge Test. It is a multi-choice test, 50 questions, 40 minutes. I can just urge you guys: learn it IN AND OUT. You will also need this knowledge for the technical part of the interview (the guy picks certain questoins off the booklet and specifically asks you. E.g I was asked to explain how VSI works)
Reasoning Test
Not Maths related! Just comparing and analsying graphics and pictures. Easy, but it gets more challenging as you progress. You have 5 Minuts for 8 (i think) questions and 30 minuts for 30 (i think) questions
Wombat-Cs Test
Google wombat-cs test and study the manual. It tests your situational awarness and your multi-tasking skills. It lasts 60 minutes.
Personality Test
BE HONEST! It contains three exercises. In the first exercise you need to rank 8 sentences according to your description of your personlity. In the second exercise you need to do the EXACT same thing and this is where Cathay is testing you on your honesty! It is pretty hard to memorise 8x7=56 sentence orders, so my advise is to be honest. The last exercise is about answering questions and selecting yes, no or maybe (cant remeber the exact structure)
Interview
30 minutes personal, and 30 minutes technical! in the personal part be friendly, show interest, sell yourself well and persuade them to take you. In the technical part don't be put down by questions you cant answer ( I couldnt answer 4 questions). Be honest and say that you cant answer the questions. If you studied the JKI well, you'll be fine
Overall
I think I did a good job, but even then I can't tell if I got through or not. You need to wait 2-3 weeks and during this time you just need to 'survive' it! Its pretty hard and I'm anxious and cant wait for the feedback, but you've got to wait.
Hope I could help.
Tim
I've been reading numerous posts about information regarding Cathay Stage 1. Here's my report!
I had my Stage 1 one Feb 14th! It contained of the following things:
- Job Knowledge Test
- Reasoning Test
- Wombat-Cs Test
- Personality Test
- Interview (technical + personal)
Job Knowledge Test
Upon your invitation to Stage 1 you receive a JKI Booklet detailing information you NEED TO KNOW for the Job Knowledge Test. It is a multi-choice test, 50 questions, 40 minutes. I can just urge you guys: learn it IN AND OUT. You will also need this knowledge for the technical part of the interview (the guy picks certain questoins off the booklet and specifically asks you. E.g I was asked to explain how VSI works)
Reasoning Test
Not Maths related! Just comparing and analsying graphics and pictures. Easy, but it gets more challenging as you progress. You have 5 Minuts for 8 (i think) questions and 30 minuts for 30 (i think) questions
Wombat-Cs Test
Google wombat-cs test and study the manual. It tests your situational awarness and your multi-tasking skills. It lasts 60 minutes.
Personality Test
BE HONEST! It contains three exercises. In the first exercise you need to rank 8 sentences according to your description of your personlity. In the second exercise you need to do the EXACT same thing and this is where Cathay is testing you on your honesty! It is pretty hard to memorise 8x7=56 sentence orders, so my advise is to be honest. The last exercise is about answering questions and selecting yes, no or maybe (cant remeber the exact structure)
Interview
30 minutes personal, and 30 minutes technical! in the personal part be friendly, show interest, sell yourself well and persuade them to take you. In the technical part don't be put down by questions you cant answer ( I couldnt answer 4 questions). Be honest and say that you cant answer the questions. If you studied the JKI well, you'll be fine
Overall
I think I did a good job, but even then I can't tell if I got through or not. You need to wait 2-3 weeks and during this time you just need to 'survive' it! Its pretty hard and I'm anxious and cant wait for the feedback, but you've got to wait.
Hope I could help.
Tim
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...I have to disagree on the reasoning test being easy.
http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf - perfect example of the Raven's progressive matrices which you are tested on in the reasoning test. Not as easy as it might seem, if you get 90%+ on that test consider yourself extremely clever.
Studying for the interview goes far beyond knowing the JKI booklet inside and out. Supplemental knowledge is vital for this, especially information on Hong Kong, CX, and AFT. They will ask you technical questions to the limits of your knowledge, and then a little bit further. They look to see that you have the knowledge that you ought to possess considering your aviation experience, and that you have done even more research (if you were really interested in flying you wouldn't just learn the bare minimum but you would read up on more advanced material). Furthermore you will be asked questions that you do not know the answer to, how you respond to such questions is vital, can you work out the answer by piecing together what you do know?
Exude confidence in your interview, if you have prepared yourself sufficiently this will come naturally, walking in to the interview you should feel ready to answer anything they throw at you.
http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf - perfect example of the Raven's progressive matrices which you are tested on in the reasoning test. Not as easy as it might seem, if you get 90%+ on that test consider yourself extremely clever.
Studying for the interview goes far beyond knowing the JKI booklet inside and out. Supplemental knowledge is vital for this, especially information on Hong Kong, CX, and AFT. They will ask you technical questions to the limits of your knowledge, and then a little bit further. They look to see that you have the knowledge that you ought to possess considering your aviation experience, and that you have done even more research (if you were really interested in flying you wouldn't just learn the bare minimum but you would read up on more advanced material). Furthermore you will be asked questions that you do not know the answer to, how you respond to such questions is vital, can you work out the answer by piecing together what you do know?
Exude confidence in your interview, if you have prepared yourself sufficiently this will come naturally, walking in to the interview you should feel ready to answer anything they throw at you.
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After you get an interview, what should i expect? Will they send me information in the mail? So far all the information I received was that I was given an interview.
Thanks
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