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22nd Sep 2016, 15:23
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Posted By 4468

I entirely agree. Pilots do indeed retain the...

I entirely agree. Pilots do indeed retain the basic skills for both. Firstly because it's very simple, and secondly because those same skills are practiced on every take off!

Precisely why it's a...
22nd Sep 2016, 09:59
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Posted By 4468

Stilton. Precisely! As for: Of course...

Stilton. Precisely!

As for:

Of course they already were flying 'manually'! (albeit they were already on the ground!) The autopilot had been taken out in preparation for landing, and auto thrust...
21st Sep 2016, 09:04
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Posted By 4468

Absolutely spot on! FAR more likely to have...

Absolutely spot on!

FAR more likely to have prevented this accident than any number of manual approaches!
20th Sep 2016, 22:44
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Posted By 4468

peekay4 is absolutely correct.

peekay4 is absolutely correct.
20th Sep 2016, 20:34
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Posted By 4468

Ah HOTAS According to Wikipedia, a concept...

Ah HOTAS

According to Wikipedia, a concept first pioneered on the Lightning. (That's the English Electric version, not the slower F35B!)

Ok, here goes:

Your flying a coupled Cat 3A approach...
20th Sep 2016, 14:35
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Posted By 4468

RAT5 But the TOGA buttons SHOULDN'T have...

RAT5

But the TOGA buttons SHOULDN'T have been pressed here! The thrust levers should have been PUSHED forward!

The WRONG procedure was used for this particular manouvre!

As you say, back...
20th Sep 2016, 14:32
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Posted By 4468

dcbus You still haven't read what I have...

dcbus

You still haven't read what I have written then??:ugh:
20th Sep 2016, 14:30
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Posted By 4468

Ken Believe it or not, I have 'been around...

Ken

Believe it or not, I have 'been around the block' a bit myself too. It's absolutely fundamental that if the a/c isn't doing what you want it to, then you MUST intervene! We all must posses the...
20th Sep 2016, 14:19
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Posted By 4468

dcbus If the thrust levers are In IDLE when...

dcbus

If the thrust levers are In IDLE when you're on approach, you should be going around genius!:D

Try reading what I write, rather than what you think I write!
20th Sep 2016, 13:29
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Posted By 4468

This accident commenced whilst the aircraft was...

This accident commenced whilst the aircraft was on the ground, and was due to the wrong procedure being used for this particular manouvre. (which is an extremely rare situation.)

Coincidentally,...
20th Sep 2016, 12:34
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Posted By 4468

I believe we have already established, hundreds...

I believe we have already established, hundreds of manual approaches wouldn't have helped our colleague fly this particular manouvre. For all we know, he might love flying manually?

I also...
20th Sep 2016, 09:01
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Posted By 4468

efatnas You clearly don't spend enough time...

efatnas

You clearly don't spend enough time (correctly) briefing, or practicing this manouvre.

That may well have been our DXB crew's failure too!
19th Sep 2016, 23:12
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Posted By 4468

Ken I'm afraid we will have to disagree. ...

Ken

I'm afraid we will have to disagree.

On a Boeing, simply pushing the thrust levers forward is absolutely NOT always correct, or advisable! (Though it is on an Airbus, that so many seem to...
19th Sep 2016, 18:11
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Posted By 4468

Now I'm getting confused Ken. I clearly said...

Now I'm getting confused Ken.

I clearly said "he shouldn't have pushed the TOGA buttons on the ground AT ALL!"

I thought your entire point was that he pushed the buttons and expected the...
19th Sep 2016, 11:21
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Posted By 4468

Good post Harry. Much to agree with. Except:...

Good post Harry. Much to agree with.

Except:

You only get the config warning whilst on the ground. Once you're airborne, you are no longer 'taking off', and hence don't get the take off config...
18th Sep 2016, 21:26
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Posted By 4468

Rat 5 "If every GA needed manual thrust", I...

Rat 5

"If every GA needed manual thrust", I suspect we'd just experience different types of accidents. In fact, likely more accidents, because we'd be changing the 99% of our GAs that are 'easy'...
18th Sep 2016, 10:23
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Posted By 4468

Guys (girls?) We're in danger of solving the...

Guys (girls?)

We're in danger of solving the wrong problem here!

What makes you think he wasn't able to hand fly the aeroplane? His middle names could be Chuck and Yeager, but even if he hand...
18th Sep 2016, 01:01
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Posted By 4468

Capn Bloggs I see last year you wrote this: ...

Capn Bloggs

I see last year you wrote this:

Maybe that was the problem in DXB? Because that's exactly what they were doing!

You still flying manually with auto thrust in??

Is that what...
18th Sep 2016, 00:43
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Posted By 4468

I've heard no solution from you, regarding the...

I've heard no solution from you, regarding the ACTUAL problem exhibited here. That is selection of the WRONG motor program (muscle memory???)

Did you offer one?

As far as 'my outfit' "where...
17th Sep 2016, 23:51
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Posted By 4468

Utter b0110ck5 I'm afraid! I have flown the...

Utter b0110ck5 I'm afraid!

I have flown the 777. (I current fly B747-400, and have flown 737 and A320 amongst others) To suggest that on every go-around the thrust levers are PUSHED forward after...
17th Sep 2016, 14:15
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Posted By 4468

Capn Bloggs You've flown 50 go-arounds in...

Capn Bloggs

You've flown 50 go-arounds in the last year?

Wow

As a long haul pilot, I doubt I've flown more than about 30 take offs and landings in that period! Very probably less?

All...
17th Sep 2016, 13:43
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Posted By 4468

Along with typing, tying your shoelaces etc. All...

Along with typing, tying your shoelaces etc. All 'simple' actions.

What you are describing is commonly referred to in neurological circles as 'automaticity'. Which is precisely how I described...
16th Sep 2016, 23:53
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Posted By 4468

Correct Much talk on here about something...

Correct

Much talk on here about something described as 'muscle memory'? I would have to have that explained to me a little more. However it appears to suggest limb movement absent of conscious...
13th Sep 2016, 16:38
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Posted By 4468

Anyone who isn't an "FMA junkie" has no place...

Anyone who isn't an "FMA junkie" has no place whatsoever in the cockpit of a modern jet.

It really IS that simple I'm afraid.

Not saying other things aren't important too.
13th Sep 2016, 10:35
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Posted By 4468

I tend to agree with RAT 5, in so far as, I...

I tend to agree with RAT 5, in so far as, I believe this crew could have, like many, been set up to fail here.

Just a point of information. At my employer, PF does NOT operate reversers! That is a...
12th Sep 2016, 23:23
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Posted By 4468

Captains are never "legally responsible to the...

Captains are never "legally responsible to the management"! The management are just their employers!

There is a difference!🙄

The 3 legged stool is an important concept.

1) Disobey the...
12th Sep 2016, 19:22
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Posted By 4468

This crew did EXACTLY what they had ALWAYS done...

This crew did EXACTLY what they had ALWAYS done to go-around.

That's precisely why they crashed! Because they SHOULD have done something different!

The "procedures are (NOT) essentially the...
12th Sep 2016, 14:59
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Posted By 4468

Where is the relevance of multiple (or indeed...

Where is the relevance of multiple (or indeed ANY) 'failures', or "common sense management" in this DXB scenario?

You're solving the wrong problem, and possibly one that doesn't even exist?
...
11th Sep 2016, 23:40
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Posted By 4468

I'm afraid the truth is, due to the state of this...

I'm afraid the truth is, due to the state of this industry/'profession', an accident not terribly dissimilar to this could well be repeated. In fact, I'm certain it will be. Just as it has been on...
8th Sep 2016, 22:25
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Posted By 4468

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree on that one.

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree on that one.
8th Sep 2016, 14:49
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Posted By 4468

So here we have a number of posters with no...

So here we have a number of posters with no relevant experience asking apparently reasonable questions, but with no context.

I've just written this in a PM, and it pretty much sums up my view:

...
7th Sep 2016, 18:29
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Posted By 4468

I would suggest to you, that if you had only...

I would suggest to you, that if you had only flown the a/c manually 3x in the last 18 months, (and that was on a single engine in the sim!) due to your airline's attitude to manual flying/prohibition...
7th Sep 2016, 12:56
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Posted By 4468

Nil further You do of course receive a...

Nil further

You do of course receive a completely valid take off config warning on both Airbus and Boeing when conducting this manoeuvre. There's no difference between manufacturers in that...
7th Sep 2016, 11:47
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Posted By 4468

gazumped Nobody knows what their manual...

gazumped

Nobody knows what their manual flying skills were like? They may have been keen on flying frequent manual approaches? Though comments here might seem to suggest that may not be...
7th Sep 2016, 10:44
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Posted By 4468

gazumped I have agreed with everything you...

gazumped

I have agreed with everything you have said, but for the benefit of the uninitiated, it's probably worth pointing out that attempting a go-around WITHOUT (at some stage!) pushing the TOGA...
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